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By the way, isn't Irene wrecking the area?

olympia wrote:By the way, isn't Irene wrecking the area?

Nah. I'm sitting here in my condo 50 yards from the ocean in Norfolk, VA with power/wireless internet/cold beer. I'm sure others have it worse, so I'll consider myself lucky.

Clauss wrote:Okay, just to clarify.
For every game going on in the first round we had a judge behind or beside our table. So all 16 games had a judge. Plus a head judge and Mike circulating to assist.
After that, they decided instead of the judges being behind the players, they wanted them on the short edges so they could better view the field. So they changed the tables so that whatever tables we used was on the edge so that they could sit on the short edge which was a very intelligent choice by Mike and his judges.
I do not believe there were any official judges for the Whisky challenge, but I may be wrong since tons of the judges for the invitational were playing/socializing and watching. Plus multiple people were watching.

So all throughout the invitational you had a ref watching every move, every roll. Also they made sure you didn't have a friend judging you. Which was another great choice they were ready for at the invitational.

And to further clarify, Rick and Dash played in the Invitational on Friday. I've seen pics from the game, and there are at least two judges in pretty much every frame.

So. yeah.

I wasn't there, I don't know what actually happened, and honestly, I don't care that much.

But, since I know a lot of people do, what Dash said specifically was that they guy was being very, very rules lawyerish, and sort of being a dick (Dash's perspective, not mine, don't know the dude).

Dash said that he (Dash) was trying to play quickly, at the end of his shooting phase said his turn was over, but then immediately said, wait, he had one more unit to shoot, and the other guy called a judge over to enforce the end of the turn since Dash had said that he was done, even though he immediately retracted the statement when he saw he still had a unit to shoot.

So, draw your own conclusions about that. Dash said Rick (or whichever guy it was) was doing stuff like that all game.

Personally, if that is true, that is douche status in my opinion. I always let people do stuff in tournaments so long as we haven't moved on to another phase of the game (and actually begun making actions in that phase). But, that is just my opinion, others I am sure see it differently.

olympia wrote:By the way, isn't Irene wrecking the area?

I'm in between Baltimore and D.C. and things are surprisingly mild right now. I think it's supposed to hit harder tonight... but as of 6:30pm there's really not much going on.

I think the main concern is flooding in low-lying areas, but that shouldn't be an issue for the tournament venue.

Reecius wrote:I wasn't there, I don't know what actually happened, and honestly, I don't care that much.

But, since I know a lot of people do, what Dash said specifically was that they guy was being very, very rules lawyerish, and sort of being a dick (Dash's perspective, not mine, don't know the dude).

Dash said that he (Dash) was trying to play quickly, at the end of his shooting phase said his turn was over, but then immediately said, wait, he had one more unit to shoot, and the other guy called a judge over to enforce the end of the turn since Dash had said that he was done, even though he immediately retracted the statement when he saw he still had a unit to shoot.

So, draw your own conclusions about that. Dash said Rick (or whichever guy it was) was doing stuff like that all game.

Personally, if that is true, that is douche status in my opinion. I always let people do stuff in tournaments so long as we haven't moved on to another phase of the game (and actually begun making actions in that phase). But, that is just my opinion, others I am sure see it differently.

Ah, well, that's not cheating... but it certainly is rather dickish to play like that.

Good to know everything was on the up and up though with judges. Sounds like things have run rather smoothly so far!

Yermon is saying Tau beat his Grey Knights. We have been finding the same thing in our games.

Reecius wrote:I wasn't there, I don't know what actually happened, and honestly, I don't care that much.

But, since I know a lot of people do, what Dash said specifically was that they guy was being very, very rules lawyerish, and sort of being a dick (Dash's perspective, not mine, don't know the dude).

Dash said that he (Dash) was trying to play quickly, at the end of his shooting phase said his turn was over, but then immediately said, wait, he had one more unit to shoot, and the other guy called a judge over to enforce the end of the turn since Dash had said that he was done, even though he immediately retracted the statement when he saw he still had a unit to shoot.

So, draw your own conclusions about that. Dash said Rick (or whichever guy it was) was doing stuff like that all game.

Personally, if that is true, that is douche status in my opinion. I always let people do stuff in tournaments so long as we haven't moved on to another phase of the game (and actually begun making actions in that phase). But, that is just my opinion, others I am sure see it differently.

I wasn't there either, so I don't care that much more about it than you do... But there were judges at these games, and since people were getting confused on that point I thought I would clear it up.

And while I certainly agree that if the scenario you describe went down that way it was pretty unsporting, but it is a long way from 'unsporting' to 'cheating'. And with all of the judges around it seems pretty unlikely he was guilty of the second. If he is going to be tried in the court of Forum Opinion we should at least be clear on the crime. And I also felt like it was the fair thing to do for MVB, so people didn't get the wrong impression about his event.

Unsporting yes but it was for $1000. He did not cheat and punished Dash's mistake for calling it a turn early when he still had things to do.

thehod wrote:Unsporting yes but it was for $1000. He did not cheat and punished Dash's mistake for calling it a turn early when he still had things to do.

Gotta agree here.

In a friendly game or in 99.9% of tournament games I'll be a nice guy and say "Sure bro, go ahead!" in a situation like Mr. OfPepper's.

Playing for 1000 bucks, after I traveled to NOVA? Hell no. You said your turn was over, jack.

Anyone know what list Andrew Gonyo(GK) is running?

I was standing at the table watching Rick Piug vs Dash almost the entire time. Was Rick being a lawyer? Damn right he was. But there was no cheating, no mind war, and while dash seemed beat down, IG vs DE is a really rough match for the DE. I think Dash handled the loss well, and the two shook hands after.

blah blah dramma blah

I would consider myself sort of a novice player, so it's interesting to see some of these guys not know the codex they are using. Or they are cheating. Just watched a Tyranid player playing against Grey Knights and when his Tervigon died, he said he only had to put wounds on one squad. There were a couple other instances I have seen in another game (for an army I don't even play) where the guy had to look up the rules. Is this common? I kind of expected guys to know their codex at a tourney like this.

Anyone know who the top 16 are that qualify for tomorrow's main event, or bracket??

whoadirty wrote:I would consider myself sort of a novice player, so it's interesting to see some of these guys not know the codex they are using. Or they are cheating. Just watched a Tyranid player playing against Grey Knights and when his Tervigon died, he said he only had to put wounds on one squad. There were a couple other instances I have seen in another game (for an army I don't even play) where the guy had to look up the rules. Is this common? I kind of expected guys to know their codex at a tourney like this.

Did nids end up winning that one? The grey knight player pulled some stuff with the infiltration rules.

I must say that nid player doesn't really seem to know his codex, or the main rules for that matter, I've watched 2 games of his now and on both occasions he was corrected about very simple rules, as in USR. I can't believe he's still on the top table. Really interesting to see the difference in standard between yesterday and today though.

Mookie

Tomb King wrote:

whoadirty wrote:I would consider myself sort of a novice player, so it's interesting to see some of these guys not know the codex they are using. Or they are cheating. Just watched a Tyranid player playing against Grey Knights and when his Tervigon died, he said he only had to put wounds on one squad. There were a couple other instances I have seen in another game (for an army I don't even play) where the guy had to look up the rules. Is this common? I kind of expected guys to know their codex at a tourney like this.

Did nids end up winning that one? The grey knight player pulled some stuff with the infiltration rules.

Didn't see the end (Patriots game came on) but I did watch Corteaz roll three straight 1s for armour saves.

It's always easier to spot errors when not playing the game, though. Not saying you guys are wrong, just that seeing some errors would be pretty common if you were to spectate an entire game (I'm not sure I've ever seen / been a part of one with absolutely zero errors on both sides).

It is very simple people will let you give them an advantage by pretending to not know their rules.

That top table was painful to watch. It really ruined the live coverage in my opinion. I know he's just there to have fun like everyone is, however that game is getting livecasted it should be held to another standard. None of the games went past turn 4, and the only game that did go past turn 4 was because his opponent was actively rushing him. He is playing an army that does very well especially on mission objectives during the early game. Of course he is going to go undefeated when games are only going 2 turns.

Link, for the uniatiated, who you talking about???

From the little I watched, there was a tyranid player under the camera for 2 games that only finished 3/4 turns. Wasn't very familiar with his own unit's stats and rules.

I understand there's added pressure playing under a camera and I've never done it. Even still, I've played nids exclusively for a year and you really have to move to finish 2k games in a time limit. Assaults with multiple initiatives, rending, armor, and FnP really slow the game down.

Tomorrow should be a lot better as hopefully the most experienced players play under the camera at a better pace with more solid rules knowledge.

With all do respect, I was not impressed with the top table! Once again, big tournaments are about drawings, and a little luck plays into it. I expect to see better table top gaming tomorrow.

Tony Malave
http://chicagokamikazes.blogspot.com//

Who won the last match on table 1? I lost power for a spell(hurricane and all). It was the nid and GK game. GK player was playing fish in a barrel.

*Hopes Nids do well* !

I can agree that the top table was not the most "appealing" games to watch.
I also saw some pretty shady things going on with the Tyranid player; however, I am willing to chalk it up to being new(er) to the game.
Having said that....
...I have no doubt that MVB is aware of the situation; and will do what he can to make sure all the parties involved are aware of any possible problems.

In my opinion two thumbs up for the willingness to have an event like this broadcast from beginning to end.

Blackmoor wrote:Dash played Stelek first round and beat him. I do not think they played at the wiskey challenge. Stalk also lost to Timmah(sp?) who I beat in round 4.

Only cause blackmoor is a cheater! :p

Couple of opinions from me.

In the Dash situation, from his explanation, it was one sentence, "I'm done, wait". If this is the case, he never finished his turn in my opinion. It would be the same as saying "I think I'm done" and then continuing your turn. However, I only got Dash's account.

Secondly, time needs to be watched better imo. I heard from this others only finished turn 4 or so. Speaking as someone who only finished four rounds and then had his opponent tell the judge that he could not possibly complete a turn in 10 minutes, it gets kind of annoying. If you cannot finish a turn in 10 minutes, how do you expect to play a 2 hour game? 12 turns, 10 mins each, 2 hours. Getting slow played is very annoying, especially when its objectives and you have first turn.

In my opinion two thumbs up for the willingness to have an event like this broadcast from beginning to end.

Total credit to the team who are Broadcasting live, a lot of us over the pond dont do tourneys (at least not on this level! )and to watch the NOVA feed is.....honestly inspirational

I hope he is not on table 1 on Sunday. Again not knocking the player, but the games are tedious to watch. I wanted to claw my eyes out during the orks vs. nids game.

Ratius wrote:

In my opinion two thumbs up for the willingness to have an event like this broadcast from beginning to end.

Total credit to the team who are Broadcasting live, a lot of us over the pond dont do tourneys (at least not on this level! )and to watch the NOVA feed is.....honestly inspirational

Agreed, saying that NOVA has set a new high standard is a gross understatement.