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I've played every edition, so I think that in itself dictates what I think about the game.

The kits have vastly improved over the years and I really enjoy the quality of their plastic kits. The newer kits fit and finish are top notch and the detail on plastic models still impress me after 25 years in the hobby.

Based on the internet, I am in the minority, but I really enjoy the 7th edition gameplay. I nearly quit during 6th as I felt it, and early 3rd edition were poorly thought out and felt more like playtest editions. 7th, in my opinion, fixed a lot of issues and have played several fun games.

I like that I have a lot of options in the type of game to play. I'm flexible. If someone wants to play 1000 points with no allies, no LoW and just a single FOC, I'm cool. If someone wants to play 3000 points and bring the nastiest thing you can think of, I'm fine with that. And I can play everything in between (I'm still stunned how many tales of the LoW bogeyman apparently just showing up to the FLGS and curbstomping unsuspecting noobs-it's like an urban myth

I enjoy the friendships I've developed over the years mainly b/c of 40K. Friends I met b/c of 40K back in high school and college, I still am in contact with and try to get together for some games once a year (graduated high school in 1991 and college in 1996).

I love the fact that this hobby still allows me to unlock the creativity I possess. My talents were never quite on par to make a living out of, but hand painting and airbrushing all the armies over the years definitely satisfied that itch. I've tried painting models from other ranges, but have put most down in preference to GW's styled minis.

I enjoyed the Horus Heresy novels....up to a point. Come on, now, lets get to the ultimate battle we all want to read.

Choices: I'm spoiled for choices in army and model selection. After all these years, I still get the urge to build and paint a new army after each and every codex release.

Not sure if I'd be considered a fanboy, but I enjoy a lot of aspects in the hobby. I've won Best Painted, Favorite Opponent, Bracket Winner, Best in Codex and other awards at various GTs over the years.

My time over the years have become much more limited, but I still enjoy the fact that I can post something on a facebook page and always get in a game. I can also find a tourney within driving distance every month and a larger, 2 day event every few months within driving distance.

All in all, I enjoy the hobby immensely and do not see myself quitting any time soon.

From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Blacksails

My lucky day! I rarely get name dropped. This is exciting!

Oh, and I do still play the game. Kind of ruins that theory.

Oh, and in a black and white world where there's only positive and negative, us vs. them, haters and lovers, maybe you'd have a leg to stand on. Instead, we live in a world with a myriad of shades in between, where someone can like many of the aspects of a product, but dislike many others. Further, opinions shouldn't be judged and weighed by the simple fact they're positive or negative, but by the substance behind them.

Besides, the most negative things I've read are coming from posters like yourself who write the vitriol you just did.

I also haven't gotten PM'd by any of my so called Regular Moaners

But hey, keep living in your simplified world of us vs. them where you dismiss people's opinions out of hand because they're not positive thoughts about GW. Maybe one day you'll start posting with a little bit of courtesy and help make the boards a better place by not creating a divide between players.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

Would it scare you that I, and every other poster you mention, have come to the opinions we hold completely independently?

The fact that you characterise me as a "moaner" demonstrates you've got no fething clue about my attitude towards GW or the game of 40K. You also fail to account for the fact that I'll quite happily post positive things about things I'm positive about, GW or otherwise. I've never once, to my recollection, posted a negative thing about X Wing or Darklands for instance. I'm also happy to be positive about GW things (such as the Knight) when I feel positive about them. As I frequently have to say when a poster of your 'perspective' pouts and stamps their feet because I won't leave Britney GW alone, if my posts about GW seem negative, it isn't because I want to be negative, it's because the things GW are doing are provoking a negative response.

But then again, you've just further cemented the idea that the "wide eyed fanboys" (and you've no idea how many possible phrases went through my head before I decided to settle on one that wouldn't earn me a Dakka holiday - and some of them would have been totally worth it) have no argument, so just degenerate into name calling and personal attacks.

Because that's all you've got.

I suggest you go and have another couple of glasses of wine and find something else to do except try and wind up people who think differently than you, because I know which one of us will run out of ideas to debate and resort to ad homs first.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen Yonan, Waynethegame, MWHistorian, Azrael13, Blacksails and other regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

I'm assuming they then PM to congratulate each other on a job well done for derailing another thread that dares to suggest 40k is anything other than broken and cannot be played straight out of the rulebook. The fact that they posted more anti-GW posts than pro is proof positive that they must be right.

And yet again, a GW apologist resorts to insults instead of actual discussion. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Oh, and I've reported you for insulting language.

You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

Do we have a cool table in a darkened room where only our silhouettes can be seen?

 MWHistorian wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

I thought we agreed in the video conference that we were going to keep the Mods out of this and teach him a lesson so he didn't mess with the moaners again?

gak, this isn't PMs is it?

Do we have a cool table in a darkened room where only our silhouettes can be seen?

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

Step up your game if you want to play with the big boys.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

I've already censored you once in the secret PM sessions. Step up your negativity waves so we may bring our plans to fruition.

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
You reported him?!!

As did I. For not being mentioned by name.

Looks like I've got work to do.

You have, up until that point, I hadn't even posted in this thread!!!!

EDIT
In light of tyrannosaurus' startling insights, I have changed my avatar to something more befitting my evil, corrupting nature.

Whoa whoa whoa.

You can't just go and change your avatar like that without warning us.

*Edit* Are you not a DCM Azrael? Could have swore you were.

Tearjerker. How apt.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

The ignore list has become an essential tool to make Dakka even worth browsing these days. But once you've ignored a dozen or so of the repeat offenders, you'll find it really is the same few guys peeing in everyone else's wheaties, and the experience becomes mostly enjoyable.

 Blacksails wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa.

You can't just go and change your avatar like that without warning us.

*Edit* Are you not a DCM Azrael? Could have swore you were.

I really should be, but I've not been working for the last 24 months, and won't be able to until after my surgery in October.

I'm afraid DCM represents essentially a whole months hobby budget, and as worthwhile as it is, and as happy as I would be to become one, my minis aren't just my hobby, but they're part of the mechanism that keeps me (relatively) sane by not being forced to spend all day every day staring at the TV, so what money I can spare goes to their acquisition at the moment.

Top of the list once I'm back in my feet though!


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Massawyrm wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
From what I've seen regular moaners, many of whom don't even play 40k any more, swamp any positive threads with negative posts, following them to ensure that the amount of negative comments outweighs the positive.

The ignore list has become an essential tool to make Dakka even worth browsing these days. But once you've ignored a dozen or so of the repeat offenders, you'll find it really is the same few guys peeing in everyone else's wheaties, and the experience becomes mostly enjoyable.

Shutting out all opinions that disagree with your own?

Hey, it worked for North Korea!

I currently have nobody set to ignore, and the only posters I've ever set to ignore are no longer active because they were so rude and abusive in general they got themselves perma-banned, because as mind numbingly dumb as I might find some people's opinions, I'm still happy to allow them the right to express them to me.

On top of that, I am looking to fight other people (hopefully not literally) for one of the Stormclaw boxes my FLGS has because I want to start Space Wolves!

I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

 azreal13 wrote:
I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

Wargaming masochism. It's the new cool thing to do.

We're trendsetters.

I wasn't even mentioned. I feel left out. Guess I'm not one of the cool kids or "grumpy old fart enough".

Positive: enjoy getting models off ebay for armies I'll never play now that I never have to worry about buying the glut of boring or ugly units to put them on the table. Grabbed a metal Warriors of Chaos Khorn Lord on Juggie model that I can't wait to make glorious. Maybe squaring off with someone else on mount, like one of my Bretonnian lords I'm keeping!

And I'm still painting 'gants for charity. (Sarcasm) Stupid 40k and their tournaments raising money for frivolous things like charity. (/Sarcasm)

 Grimtuff wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:
I spent nearly all afternoon working in my Decimator Daemon Engine of Khorne.

Yeah, I hate 40K.

Wargaming masochism. It's the new cool thing to do.

We're trendsetters.

Tomorrow, I'm going to try and finish it while spending the whole painting session sat on some 2nd Edition boxed set Gretchin!

 MWHistorian wrote:

And yet again, a GW apologist resorts to insults instead of actual discussion. I'm starting to see a pattern here. Oh, and I've reported you for insulting language.

No ban as yet, but thanks for giving me the heads up . @ TheKbob, apologies for not dropping your name, did cross my mind, but you always follow up an anti-GW comment with something cool that you're working on so I find your posts invariably constructive, apologies

Egad lads, I've got better things to do with my Saturday!

I'm going to lock this thread as I think it's run it's course, and the above page is too much to clean up at the moment. If anyone really thinks it needs re-opening, please send me an eloquent PM describing just why, in fact, that is

In the future, please try not to derail threads in this manner!

So, locking...