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 Alex C wrote:
Best of luck Tyron, the cases I got were great!

Thank you Alex C, maybe you could do a little review/pics to reassure those who have doubts?

 Eldarain wrote:
Never a fan of a new Kickstarter going up before the previous one is finished.

Did you back my first one?

Sining wrote:
I like the zombicide case but until I get my 10cases, I'm hesitant to put more money into any of your Kickstarters. But if you could have a $1 usd pledge that can be upgraded later on, that might be of interest to me

Quite a few backers have this concern and this is what I put in the comments as my reasoning behind my decision which I'll share here.

The reason I am doing the next kickstarter next week is by the time it's funded and I receive the funds I will have shipped out the remainder of the first kickstarter and I see it as a waste of two months doing nothing but wait for it to fund, therefore I must take this opportunity.

I know backers here will be hesitant about backing the next one due to half the backers not receiving their stuff yet, but check out all the comments of those who have received them. All positive and they're very pleased with what they got, and you wouldn't believe how many PM's I get on here and on the forums I go on asking when they can buy them because they missed out, they're worth the wait.

 Eldarain wrote:
Never a fan of a new Kickstarter going up before the previous one is finished.

I can understand it to an extent - these projects go in phases (idea, plans, manufacturing, packing, shipping), and this one is onto packing/shipping. I believe Tyron is designing the trays and getting them cut somewhere, so he can start that process off whilst finishing the packing/shipping of the last stuff, so there's less of a lag between this work finishing and the next batch turning up.

Of course it makes more sense with multi-staff companies (the designers are twiddling their thumbs once packing begins), but Tyron seems to know what he's doing and the next product is ready to go on kickstarter.

Hopefully most of the pledges will be turning up before the next one finishes funding though, for you to get some reassurance that it's all good.

I'm not put off by this one, I don't have Zombicide but if I can use the boxes for another game (I need stuff for Super Dungeon Explore) then I'll give it a go too.

Wait... two months ago I got kicked out of this project because I dared to ask when the missing pledged will be delivered.
Today, two months later, a maximum of 50% of pledges has been shipped?
Why the hell did I get kicked out if all I said was 100% true.

My main concern is that it has taken many months to get to that 50% delivered mark, but from what I understand, the other 50% will be delivered in the next 30 days while the new Kickstarter runs? If that happens, then great, I'll take my hat off to you, but I'm not optimistic.

Tyron has had multiple problems with employees, the facility he was operating from shut down over Christmas/New Year and the shipping company he was using went bankrupt, so the delays are quite understandable imho.

I can understand delays. Absolutely. I've no issue whatsoever with delays. I'm just struggling to see how running a second kickstarter will help get the rest of the pledges out. If anything, it takes the focus off getting the rest of the work done, when the inevitable questions are asked and need responding to, stretch goals need adding, the second ks requires updates etc.

I'd have possibly backed the second ks, had I seen my pledge from the first one yet, but as it is, there's no chance. I have no doubt tyron is an honest guy, with good intentions, but there's no way I'd back a second kickstarter when I haven't received the goods from the first, and suspect I'm not the only one.

Hey ho. Best of luck with it.

Tyron wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Never a fan of a new Kickstarter going up before the previous one is finished.

Did you back my first one?

Yes sir. Backer #2. My concerns are very much in line with what Eggs has brought up. This project has seemed to be a bit more than you were prepared to deal with and getting it completed has been trying. I don't see how adding the running of a second campaign will expedite the completion of the first.

I agree, and since you have a setup from the first campaign, it seems fulfilling it first shouldn't stop you from working on your new products immediately afterwards... it doesn't make sense to run a new campaign now before you've completed the first, and you will definitely take a PR hit and not raise as much as you would if you waited one more month and completed your current obligations.

I am at work at the moment so I will reply to the posts when I get home.

In the mean time here's a live preview of my Zcide Kickstarter

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/932371889/1352007178?token=97db8c23

I would be looking at spending £100 to get what I need and I just can't justify that without seeing my original rewards.

I have no doubt that the quality will be excellent based upon the initial reviews, it's just hard to justify it to myself.

Hopefully you will offer these sets on your webstore after so that I can pick one up then.

Aeneades I've said in the ks comments I am still shipping daily so by the time this finishes you should get your stuff, not sure why people are forgetting this.

Hi Tyron.

Apologies, I haven't seen the kickstarter comments this week. I have been going by the kickstarter update you sent out last weekend which estimated 2-3 months to finish shipping.


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Sorry, the update I was referring to was last Tuesday rather then the weekend update.

No problem. Again the way I see it is I ship every thing out and then wait 2 months doing little while waiting for it to fund. Or ship everything while it's funding.

I cant waste that time.

So is it going to take 2-3 months to ship the pledges as per last Tuesday's update, or is it going to be done in the next 30 days?

2 months 3 max (assuming problems) I said all this in depth in the updates. Doesn't anyone read them? Lol

OK neutral observer here. I think the concern from people stems from:

It will take 2-3 months to ship previous KS
New KS will be over 1 month.
This leaves, at the end of the new KS, a 1-2 month period where you should be working on the new KS but are still shipping the original KS.
People seem to be concerned that there will not only be a lack of focus on getting their original KS awards out but also a potential to add problems and delays to the new KS.

You probably need to adress these concerns in a matter of fact "heres what will happen" manner.

Also:

I said all this in depth in the updates. Doesn't anyone read them? Lol

Comes across as a little passive aggressive. Probably best not to poke the bear.

I am just confused as the initial reply -

Tyron wrote:Aeneades I've said in the ks comments I am still shipping daily so by the time this finishes you should get your stuff, not sure why people are forgetting this.

contradicts this reply -

Tyron wrote:2 months 3 max (assuming problems) I said all this in depth in the updates. Doesn't anyone read them? Lol

Unless the Zombicide kickstarter is 3 months long then the first reply isn't correct. We read the updates but comments like this one are muddying the waters.

There's no contradiction.

s2 is funded, funds received and forms submitted takes 2 months by then ks1 shipments are out and then I work on ks2.

My original post -

Aeneades wrote:I would be looking at spending £100 to get what I need and I just can't justify that without seeing my original rewards.

I have no doubt that the quality will be excellent based upon the initial reviews, it's just hard to justify it to myself.

Hopefully you will offer these sets on your webstore after so that I can pick one up then.

To which you replied -

Tyron wrote:Aeneades I've said in the ks comments I am still shipping daily so by the time this finishes you should get your stuff, not sure why people are forgetting this.

As shown above, my original concern was that I couldn't justify spending another £100+ on the new kickstarter until I had seen the quality of my original kickstarter boxes for myself. I was not concerned about you running a second kickstarter before posting out all rewards from first one. Your reply states that by the time this (new kickstarter) finishes I should have my boxes.

Tyron wrote:There's no contradiction.

s2 is funded, funds received and forms submitted takes 2 months by then ks1 shipments are out and then I work on ks2.

As detailed above there is a contradiction or at least some poor phrasing in your reply to me as it does imply that all orders should be sent before the close of the new campaign. This is why people are getting confused.

It takes about two weeks for the funds to clear, and I'd be surprised if surveys take two months. And the fact you will have to create the surveys in the first place, means you aren't packing and shipping ks 1. That's where my concern comes from.

2 months for the whole kickstarter process.

The surveys will be done at night while it's running.

While from all indications you make excellent foam cases you need to work on your PR.

As someone whose entire business model is based on money up front for eventual product in an indeterminate amount of time how you conduct yourself is of utmost importance.

I don't feel valued as a customer by the way you address concerns.

I will be submitting the kickstarter very shortly tonight so please take one final look.

I've made some updates on the information on the trays and listened to requests so I've added 23 and 30mm pick and pluck foam to the Zombie Horde loadouts.

If you spot anything wrong please point it out or any questions feel free to ask as I'll be submitting this soon.

Thanks

 Eldarain wrote:
While from all indications you make excellent foam cases you need to work on your PR.

As someone whose entire business model is based on money up front for eventual product in an indeterminate amount of time how you conduct yourself is of utmost importance.

I don't feel valued as a customer by the way you address concerns.

I was reply on my mobile so I tried to keep them short. I will do earnest replies soon.

Aeneades wrote:
My original post -

Aeneades wrote:I would be looking at spending £100 to get what I need and I just can't justify that without seeing my original rewards.

I have no doubt that the quality will be excellent based upon the initial reviews, it's just hard to justify it to myself.

Hopefully you will offer these sets on your webstore after so that I can pick one up then.

To which you replied -

Tyron wrote:Aeneades I've said in the ks comments I am still shipping daily so by the time this finishes you should get your stuff, not sure why people are forgetting this.

As shown above, my original concern was that I couldn't justify spending another £100+ on the new kickstarter until I had seen the quality of my original kickstarter boxes for myself. I was not concerned about you running a second kickstarter before posting out all rewards from first one. Your reply states that by the time this (new kickstarter) finishes I should have my boxes.

Tyron wrote:There's no contradiction.

s2 is funded, funds received and forms submitted takes 2 months by then ks1 shipments are out and then I work on ks2.

As detailed above there is a contradiction or at least some poor phrasing in your reply to me as it does imply that all orders should be sent before the close of the new campaign. This is why people are getting confused.

For backers, when it "finishes" is when the project is funded and the money is taken out of their accounts. Not "2-3 months later" or when KS releases funds to you. Also, adding a lol to the end of a customer's question along with the "doesn't anyone read them?" is pretty snide when it's your own poor communication creating the confusion.

I think people are being just a little hostile here. While I would have loved to have my cases in hand for a while now, delays happen. The timescale for shipping out the rest of the cases and the timing of the new KS seems reasonable to me.

And backer surveys typically run for a while to allow people time to respond, during which time there is not always a great deal to do if you are waiting on numbers to put in orders.

No, not really. People voiced their concerns and said they're not likely to back this one until they have their outstanding items in hand.

Reply from Mantis was that they would have their stuff in hand by the time this one ends, and also that it would be 2-3 months. People suggest that these replies are contradictory, and Mantic asks doesn't anyone read my updates? lol And that "by the time this one finishes" now means after the new campaign's fundraising period ends - neatly missing the entire point in the previous paragraph.

"lol"


edit - Mantis, not Mantic. Derp!

Le shrug. I'm not out to fight either corner. I just feel maybe people might like to go outside and look at some sunshine before coming back to this thread.

yeah... product still seems quite nice. Price too.
"Company" running this show... yeah no.

I remember Tyron's attitude to questions way, way back when he first started a "would you be interested in cases" thread. I saw it as a huge red flag over any of his projects and I'm glad I stayed away now!

RoninXiC wrote:
yeah... product still seems quite nice. Price too.
"Company" running this show... yeah no.

Summed up my thoughts nicely. QFT.