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I keep telling myself that they won't be that bad, that I can handle them... then I remember a fething 3++....

 Quickjager wrote:
I keep telling myself that they won't be that bad, that I can handle them... then I remember a fething 3++....

Still vulnerable to large numbers of bolters.

Actually, maybe this is GW's answer to the question of "Why should I ever take heavy bolters?"

To overwhelm Wraiths with high volumes of S5 shooting.

Lies! Nothing is vulnerable to bolters. Even things that LOOK vulnerable to bolters usually end up being cost effective against models armed with bolters, because 14 pts is a lot for a terrible gun.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
I keep telling myself that they won't be that bad, that I can handle them... then I remember a fething 3++....

Still vulnerable to large numbers of bolters.

Actually, maybe this is GW's answer to the question of "Why should I ever take heavy bolters?"

To overwhelm Wraiths with high volumes of S5 shooting.

You need...a lot of bolter or heavy bolter fire to take down T5 Wraiths.

To down a minimum sized squad of 3, you're looking at 72 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots, 81 BS4 Bolter shots, or 216 BS3 Lasgun shots....

So.... Tomb blades.....the better Immortals. Faster, better guns, ignore cover, jink and roughly the same price

Also for AA put tomb blades on a quad-gun apperently the ignore cover from the tomb blades works on all of their shooting.


With the changes to stalkers and Destroyers being in fast attack and heavy destroyers being in heavy I wanna do a Destroyer stalker gun line

2+ re-roll to hit re-roll 1 to wound destroyers/ heavy destroyers sounds fantastically funny with JSJ. Take that imperial Guard gun line!

I feel immortals are now the Cheap troop choice since warriors are 10 to a unit starting now but it looks like the Decursion is gonna be near auto-pick in high points games

It's not like Imperial Guard gunlines are particularly good...

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Quickjager wrote:
I keep telling myself that they won't be that bad, that I can handle them... then I remember a fething 3++....

Still vulnerable to large numbers of bolters.

Actually, maybe this is GW's answer to the question of "Why should I ever take heavy bolters?"

To overwhelm Wraiths with high volumes of S5 shooting.

You need...a lot of bolter or heavy bolter fire to take down T5 Wraiths.

To down a minimum sized squad of 3, you're looking at 72 BS3 Heavy Bolter shots, 81 BS4 Bolter shots, or 216 BS3 Lasgun shots....

Actually, if there is a surge of Wraiths, I'd consider messing around with DA's Banner of Devastation for an ungodly number of Bolter shots behind an ADL. That or a bunch of Noise Marines

 ImAGeek wrote:

morgoth wrote:
1. It's a nerf.
2. Necron deserved it.
3. Hurray !
4. I doubt they were nerfed enough though. I'll have to read that dex soon.

I think they got more buffed than nerfed. And the nerfs were things that were too powerful before anyway.

This ^

My brothers one happy camper and just laughed off the nerfs to his army while pointing out all the buffs..... to an army that hardly needed them to begin with.

 Vaktathi wrote:
It's not like Imperial Guard gunlines are particularly good...

Yeah but now they aren't the only ones who can do it and necrons can do it better?

If going max destroyers/H.Destroyers that's 12 Heavy destroyers (3 groups of 3 and 1 per FA destroyer unit) and 15 normal destroyers. Thirty 30"(with JSJ) 2+reroll to hit S5 ap3 reroll 1 to wound and twelve 42"(with JSJ) 2+reroll to hit S9 AP2 reroll 1 to wound shots with whatever the Stalkers bring is some serious fire power. 1575 before HQ and two troop min with 3 stalkers.

Once again not saying it's good...but it would be something to see. But it is worth noting that the Stalker + Destroyers/Heavy is pretty solid tactic wise

I can complain on the fact that all of my Harbingers that I converted are now basically useless.

That really sucked and we lost a lot of good wargear and unique things we could do.

It takes 160 bolter shots at bs4 or 110 heavy bolter shots at bs4 to drop a full unit of wraiths on average. thats assuming they dont have the 4+ rp.

I wouldnt say bolter spam is the way to go.

Oberron wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
It's not like Imperial Guard gunlines are particularly good...

Yeah but now they aren't the only ones who can do it and necrons can do it better?

They haven't been the only ones for quite some time, and if Necrons are doing it better, sounds like a game design issue if a relatively versatile army is outgunning a gunline specialist army

3 Ghost Arks and 3 Squads of Necron Warriors puts out 60 Gauss Shots at 24 and 120 at 12. I'd say that's a decent gunline.

Hollismason wrote:
3 Ghost Arks and 3 Squads of Necron Warriors puts out 60 Gauss Shots at 24 and 120 at 12. I'd say that's a decent gunline.

add on that those shots glance armor and now wound anything on a 6. ....... yeaaaaa.

Guards just standing there like .....what just happened?

Hollismason wrote:
3 Ghost Arks and 3 Squads of Necron Warriors puts out 60 Gauss Shots at 24 and 120 at 12. I'd say that's a decent gunline.

Ghost arks don't have rapid fire anymore only Salvo afaik. So 90 shots within 12

Natalya wrote:
It takes 160 bolter shots at bs4 or 110 heavy bolter shots at bs4 to drop a full unit of wraiths on average. thats assuming they dont have the 4+ rp.

I wouldnt say bolter spam is the way to go.

Not necessarily. 160 shots with the Banner of Devastation equates to 4 units (Salvo 2/4, 10 man squads). Throw in the Librarian Formation DA get and give all your Librarians Prescience and each of those squads now has TL Bolters. It's not competitive, but I think that would be a fun scenario to do

 jreilly89 wrote:

Natalya wrote:
It takes 160 bolter shots at bs4 or 110 heavy bolter shots at bs4 to drop a full unit of wraiths on average. thats assuming they dont have the 4+ rp.

I wouldnt say bolter spam is the way to go.

Not necessarily. 160 shots with the Banner of Devastation equates to 4 units (Salvo 2/4, 10 man squads). Throw in the Librarian Formation DA get and give all your Librarians Prescience and each of those squads now has TL Bolters. It's not competitive, but I think that would be a fun scenario to do

soooooo while you sinking everything you got into killing those Wraiths , the rest of his army is killing you? lol

 BlackArmour wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:

Natalya wrote:
It takes 160 bolter shots at bs4 or 110 heavy bolter shots at bs4 to drop a full unit of wraiths on average. thats assuming they dont have the 4+ rp.

I wouldnt say bolter spam is the way to go.

Not necessarily. 160 shots with the Banner of Devastation equates to 4 units (Salvo 2/4, 10 man squads). Throw in the Librarian Formation DA get and give all your Librarians Prescience and each of those squads now has TL Bolters. It's not competitive, but I think that would be a fun scenario to do

soooooo while you sinking everything you got into killing those Wraiths , the rest of his army is killing you? lol

Probably. Like I said, it'd be fun. I never said it would work though

Sometimes it feels like I live in an entirely different world to everyone else. One where my bolters murder Nurgle Terminator squads through weight of fire and Retributors are useful...

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Sometimes it feels like I live in an entirely different world to everyone else. One where my bolters murder Nurgle Terminator squads through weight of fire and Retributors are useful...

In my world tactix and deployment matter and Magnus The Red goes fasta.

Personally I think the latest Cron book isn't too bad and the Decurion is powerful, but only if you have enough points to bring it enough toys without shooting yourself in the Foot.

Personally I'm looking forward to playing the Leviathan list instead as I rather like that list and it's flavor. I'm thinking for the army instead of Green energy I'm looking at Orange rods and things. I just haven't decided the best color to pair with that yet (I don't want to do blue because it's too cliche and doesn't fit a theme of "burning" well enough).

Wait.... Leviathan list? I thought the necron stuff from SOB was from Exterminius(sp)?

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Personally I think the latest Cron book isn't too bad and the Decurion is powerful, but only if you have enough points to bring it enough toys without shooting yourself in the Foot.

Personally I'm looking forward to playing the Leviathan list instead as I rather like that list and it's flavor. I'm thinking for the army instead of Green energy I'm looking at Orange rods and things. I just haven't decided the best color to pair with that yet (I don't want to do blue because it's too cliche and doesn't fit a theme of "burning" well enough).

Orange goes well with white or black, I feel that White Crons look a lot better than the rest though.

Ironically, the best colour to pair with Orange is probably green.

It's a soulless codex. Nothing to do with Necrons anymore, just written for powergamers and the rules could be easily applied to any random Space Marine army.

Blue, actually.
Green is close, but Blue and Orange are direct complementary colors.

Have you ever tried pressing alt-F4?
It's a Necron-Codex, that's it.
You might not feel that it fits the Necrons, tough luck for you since this is what they get.

I personally love most of it.


PS. Orange and blue is the lamest combination ever because it's so overdone.
http://www.slashfilm.com/orangeblue-contrast-in-movie-posters/

As I said, to each their own. Not that you'd understand such a mentality, but with age comes experience and thus wisdom.

 Sigvatr wrote:
It's a soulless codex. Nothing to do with Necrons anymore, just written for powergamers and the rules could be easily applied to any random Space Marine army.

Is this because of the change to WBB? Or is there some other, deeper underlying cause to your statement?

So since you are older you are wiser and therefore your opinion on the new Codex is much more important?
There is nothing wise in spamming the same standard line in every thread.