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Mniaturemarket.com now has it up on their site for $49.49
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/k35bmg001.html

Comes with Alfred too

I hope this means they'll be shipping all those pre-orders soon - especially mine!

Got my book, and my Alfred. Home slice looks evil.

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope this means they'll be shipping all those pre-orders soon - especially mine!

I stole yours. It's nestled on my shelf.

Mwah ha ha ha ha.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
I hope this means they'll be shipping all those pre-orders soon - especially mine!

I stole yours. It's nestled on my shelf.

Mwah ha ha ha ha.

I don't doubt it!

All kidding aside, once someone ITT said the The Miniature Market was showing the book as 'in stock' I sent them an email about my order.

About 5 minutes later I received a notification that my order has shipped - ha!

I am unable to locate the stats for the minis, outside of the bat-builder. Am I missing an obvious location for them on the website?

sithkhan wrote:
I am unable to locate the stats for the minis, outside of the bat-builder. Am I missing an obvious location for them on the website?

If you go to each model, there is a place that says "Attachment." There is a link there for the card of that model. Though, a lot of those links are of JPEGS that are stupidly small, and therefore hard to read.

Also of note, I have received my pre-ordered, direct from Knight Models rulebooks out in California. They had a shipping date of march 11 on the packages, so roughly 5 weeks of shipping to get here.

 drazz wrote:

sithkhan wrote:
I am unable to locate the stats for the minis, outside of the bat-builder. Am I missing an obvious location for them on the website?

If you go to each model, there is a place that says "Attachment." There is a link there for the card of that model. Though, a lot of those links are of JPEGS that are stupidly small, and therefore hard to read.

Also of note, I have received my pre-ordered, direct from Knight Models rulebooks out in California. They had a shipping date of march 11 on the packages, so roughly 5 weeks of shipping to get here.

So there isn't a centralized location of all the stat lines, in the fashion of Infinity, correct?

I have to admit the the cards for these games make me so frustrated. They're all different sizes. It's driving me crazy.

visit http://bat-builder.com

each character pop up when you click it has a place to download the high res card

It is easier to print these out and laminate at a larger size than the supplied cards, and they are all updated to the new format.

fattdex wrote:
visit http://bat-builder.com

each character pop up when you click it has a place to download the high res card

It is easier to print these out and laminate at a larger size than the supplied cards, and they are all updated to the new format.

Awesome advice - thanks!

How do you download the free rules pdf from their site? I placed it in the cart after registering an account, but cannot find the option to complete the transaction. Anyone have a suggestion?

http://www.knightmodels.com/index.php/shop/show/viewproduct/batman-miniature-complete-rulebook-english-version-1.3/IdProduct/229

Go to this page here, and click on "Download Rulebook" at the bottom just under attatchments, That should sort you out.

If not PM me and I can email it to you or set it up in dropbox

Who's ready to save their pennies for Knight Models official terrain?

(Pics are from Alfa Beta Juega convention in Spain. Unknown still if these are retail or just display.)

They are...beautiful.

And if they are 'official', I'm afraid to see how much they'll cost!

They look official to me. And they shouldn't be that pricey.

You don't carefully design a laser cut MDF building like that just to make a display piece. Those will be for sale at some point. I am assuming no internal details, and it looks like the designs are fairly simple. They probably won't retail with the reflective windows, lighting, etc. And I am guessing they won't be pre-painted.

So all you re really looking at is a large, relatively boxy laser cut MDF building. This is not to suggest that they don't look nice, but the designs are not terribly complicated, and the number of parts is probably relatively modest.

Knight Models also can't hope to sell the buildings if they price them too high. If, for example, that large, gothic looking apartment building was $400, I doubt many people would buy it.

At $200 I think some people would probably buy it. I wouldn't be surprised to see buildings like that going for somewhere in the neighborhood of $125-$200 full retail.

I could be massively wrong, of course, but I certainly wouldn't buy a single MDF office building for $400, no matter how cool it was.

I won't buy one at $200 either!

 Alpharius wrote:
I won't buy one at $200 either!

As a question motivated entirely by curiosity and in no way market research for my own MDF company that's planning on making terrain for this game, how much would you pay for a building like that measuring 24" or so tall?

Pretty nice, tho the first two not having very thick edges seems odd, even the gargoyles are kind of thin for balancing minis on.

Big bland boxes sure look cool for Wayne and Queen but hard to justify buying, at least give us some open building construction or window washers or something! Not everyone leaps buildings in a single bound.

I don't cost buildings by size exactly, more by number of stories and amount of balconies or fire escapes to play on. Depending on how fancy the design is, 10-15 usd per floor for basic 1-2 floor, mebbe 7-8 to addon additional floors.

I do enjoy those building but the price point I think would make me. I also have worry about how realistic it would work for gameplay. Are the edges large enough to work? Honestly I would probably pay at most $125 for those, just cause I could not justify anything more.

That being said does this game need that massive of buildings? I mean wouldnt buildings like the GCPD be big enough? I mean to me that is a solid nice building- put a few up like that and I am good. MAYBE one huge one for a center piece but I am not sure how much use it would have.

Note: I do not know a lot about this game but I do want to get into it. That being said if it costs $400 worth of terrain that is really restrictive.

I think those large buildings are intended to be thematic centerpiece models. If you look at the Knight Models table, off in the bottom right of the photo there are several smaller, more reasonable buildings.

I expect that what one could do for table setup would be to use a striking centerpiece building surrounded by lots of those smaller buildings.

If a game was set in a city block in the middle of downtown Gotham, sure you might have skyscrapers on both sides of the street, but it would potentially be a pretty bland play area as you would be confined to the streets and alleyways.

That is, of course, unless you use the interiors of the bottom floors of the office buildings/apartments as a playable area. But in that case you wouldn't need the actual building, just the ground floor with no roof.

Alternatively, you could play a game inside of a single large building. But in that case you'd want the different floors modeled with interiors and constructed as separate pieces so that you can lay them all out on the table and play on the different levels simultaneously with rules for stairway/elevator/duct connections between floors.

As a 30+mm skirmish game, I think smaller buildings with various heights and fire escapes, narrow alleyways, clotheslines, etc. would make for a more dynamic play area.

As for how much to charge for a large building, it really depends on what sort of value you are getting. I buy an MDF building when I value my time more than the building, or if the kit offers something that I would be hard pressed to do on my own. Like dormers. I hate making my own dormers.

You can make a bland office building really easily. Heck, you can make one out of smoked plexiglass panels scored with a hobby knife. For a Gotham look you'd want that baroque, gothic feel though, which is harder to do as you'd want some dynamism and texture. Lots of arches and architectural details.

The pieces in the pics above give you some of that. So there's value in not having to hand cut a brazillion pointed arches.

Take the 4Ground Sassy Gal Saloon as an example of a big, expensive centerpiece building. It retails for...$150. The building is about 8"x13" and 8" tall with three floors. Now, it is entirely detailed in the interior with interior walls, working doors, railings, staircases, etc. The floors come apart very easily and slot back together nicely, so you can use it, on its own, to run an entire skirmish game in.

That's a good bit of value for $150. It is a very nice centerpiece building and offers a lot of playability with its two balconies and roof in addition to the interior details.

It is also pre-painted.

If I was going to spend $150 on a building with no interior details and no pre-painting, I'd want it to be a damn impressive edifice. MDF has its limits, of course, and you can easily spend $150 on a gorgeous piece of resin or plastic terrain packed with loads of detail.

What I want out of MDF is utility more than beauty, in the form of playability. I want to fill a table and offer a nice-looking, dynamic play area that I can't easily do on my own. I want clever lines and detailing, dynamic usage (such as walkways, different levels, interesting corners, etc.), and/or speed of assembly and large footprint (either as a single large structure or lots of smaller structures).

As folks have pointed out, lots of those buildings in the pics are lacking in playability. But they do offer nice-looking detailing that I can't/won't do on my own. But I wouldn't want a table dominated by those tall, mostly space eating buildings. At the end of the day, cool as they look, you aren't getting a ton of playability out of them. You are paying for them to be big and impressive, primarily. And you only need one or two of those to get the point.

Now, if those buildings had interior detailing and separate floors...that's a different story. If you could take apart Wayne Tower into 8 different floors and lay them all out to mostly cover a 3'x3' area, that would be awesome value, as you would be basically getting an entire table of terrain in one building.

The buildings would also be especially cool if they came with or had optional fully detailed ground floors. For example, if you could take the top off of Wayne Tower and leave a fully modeled lobby on the table, that would be pretty darn awesome.

Forgot about those realistic-to-buy apartments in my rush to have a whine

They will either be better buys than sarissa, or you are paying a premium for mad hatter signs. Their container mdf set is an ok price so there's hope.

I can pretty much guarantee those are for display and not meant for playing on,

With the exception of the GCPD building, and maybe the apartment blocks, with the rules being the way they are, it would take 2-3 game turns just to reach the top of one of those buildings. making them useless for gameplay purposes.

That being said I'd sell my first born for the lot of them

Finally got my book in yesterday - the same day my PULP CITY pledge showed up!

I really, really hope those are going up for retail, but terrified by what the price might be for them.

What's that tall building with the two towers supposed to be? Anything from the universe in particular or just a generic building?

Just so you know, the new shipment of models now come with scenic bases. My wife just got some clowns with the new bases.

Daston wrote:
Just so you know, the new shipment of models now come with scenic bases. My wife just got some clowns with the new bases.

Can we get pictures of this?

there ya go

Unpainted, unprimed

I'm going to be sticking with resin bases or my own custom done ones, but these are a nice touch, if a bit soft detailed

erratyk wrote:


there ya go

Unpainted, unprimed

I'm going to be sticking with resin bases or my own custom done ones, but these are a nice touch, if a bit soft detailed

Not bad, but it only serves as a reminder that I need to get nice bases in addition to painting all those naked metal miniatures on my desk :-/
My wallet can barely sustain paying Corvus Belli. As much as I'd like to try BMG, I can't justify more purchases until I actually paint stuff.

Doc Oc joins the Marvel line next month.