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 M0ff3l wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

So you keep saying stuff about 'people defending the price' etc. But I still haven't heard an answer to a question that you have been asked twice; why does the bonus app stuff being 'overpriced' make you not want to buy the core game itself? I really want to know what your reasoning for that is.

Also, I feel like you are being unfair to GW by calling it 'insulting' to ask for 'even more'... In 40k you have to buy the same over priced clamp pack characters and then buy a whole codex.. In AoS you get the rules for AoS for free, and now you also want the rules for Silver Tower for free? I think that is greedy, and you are forgetting that you are already getting stuff extra with the clamp pack... That is just my opinion though.

I make a point to not ecourage business that try to squeeze me of every single penny I have. It reminds me of a restaurant which tried to charge me for some cheap plastic cutlery after I made an order over 50 $. Simply laughed and cancelled my order, And also, I can't help to compare this new WQ to the old one, which I have, and the old one is a much more complete game, which is pretty much open ended. This one is scenario based, so you won't get a huge amount of replayability, and you even have to pay for (virtual) cards that should probably have been included in the main game to begin with.
Sad since i really like some of the rules of the new one, and the minis are maginificient.

BTW, you don't have to buy the rules for the clampack individually in 40k. They come with the codex wich contains all the rules and fluff for the army. A huge difference imo (still, the price on these clampack are laughable).

 streetsamurai wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

So you keep saying stuff about 'people defending the price' etc. But I still haven't heard an answer to a question that you have been asked twice; why does the bonus app stuff being 'overpriced' make you not want to buy the core game itself? I really want to know what your reasoning for that is.

Also, I feel like you are being unfair to GW by calling it 'insulting' to ask for 'even more'... In 40k you have to buy the same over priced clamp pack characters and then buy a whole codex.. In AoS you get the rules for AoS for free, and now you also want the rules for Silver Tower for free? I think that is greedy, and you are forgetting that you are already getting stuff extra with the clamp pack... That is just my opinion though.

I make a point to not ecourage business that try to squeeze me of every single penny I have. It reminds me of a restaurant which tried to charge me for some cheap plastic cutlery after I made an order over 50 $. Simply laughed and cancelled my order, And also, I can't help to compare this new WQ to the old one, which I have, and the old one is a much more complete game, which is pretty much open ended. This one is scenario based, so you won't get a huge amount of replayability, and you even have to pay for (virtual) cards that should probably have been included in the main game to begin with.
Sad since i really like some of the rules of the new one, and the minis are maginificient.

BTW, you don't have to buy the rules for the clampack individually in 40k. They come with the codex wich contains all the rules and fluff for the army. A huge difference imo (still, the price on these clampack are laughable).

Except in this case the app and the expansion characters/rules aren't required for the base game. That's like saying You want a steak dinner, but then decide you don't want it when they offer a dessert.

I mean, it's completely up to you how you use your money, but it seems like you're trying to find something to dissuade you, when the "issue" is completely optional. Also, 40k is the main game that spinoffs take place in, just like AoS is the main game that Silver Tower takes place in, you're comparing apples to oranges.

The expensions are pretty much required if you want to play the game more than twice or thrice. And as far as we know, they will only add content virtually, at a price that I deem absurd. As I said, if they release real expensions later on, I might change my mind, but for now, this game is a no go.

And if GW is capable of giving me free 40k rules for GC on their website (while the rules for overkill are included in the game) I fail to see what they can do the same for the clampacks (in reverse).

To push the analogy a little further. You order a steak dinner. It is pretty expensive but it looks delicious. This dinner comes with fries. You want more fries but they are very expensive. Do you cancel your order?
I will be picking my set up on Monday and will then try to convert all the duplicates to make them look more unique. For me it will be about 100 hours of painting and converting, then 50 hours or so of playing to get through everything a couple of times. That is worth it for me.

I guess it depends on wether you consider barebone ST as being worth his price or not, For me it ain't. It seems to have very little replayability, and as far as we know, the only content they will add will be through this app.

If you find the game worth his price as it is, I can understand why you are not too bothered with the DLC. I guess that younger persons are also not as bothered with DLC, since they have grown up with them.


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Chikout wrote:
To push the analogy a little further. You order a steak dinner. It is pretty expensive but it looks delicious. This dinner comes with fries. You want more fries but they are very expensive. Do you cancel your order?
I will be picking my set up on Monday and will then try to convert all the duplicates to make them look more unique.

To use the same analogy, It would depend on the size of the portion. For me, ST is presently a very small portion of filet mignon

 streetsamurai wrote:
The expensions are pretty much required if you want to play the game more than twice or thrice. And as far as we know, they will only add content virtually, at a price that I deem absurd. As I said, if they release real expensions later on, I might change my mind, but for now, this game is a no go.

And if GW is capable of giving me free 40k rules for GC on their website (while the rules for overkill are included in the game) I fail to see what they can do the same for the clampacks (in reverse).

The game has multiple missions. Also the 'maze' changes from mission to mission and game to game.
Add to that the fact that you can play with different mixes of the 6 heroes and that's probably more than 3 times.

Agree that if they can give the rules for DWOK stuff for 40k out for free that they should be able to do some of this stuff for free.
But that's not the model they've chosen. Doesn't make the base game a 2-3 time play.

I don't plan on going for the app for lots of reasons. But if they put stuff in a WD, I may pick it up and might buy a model or two along the way.
I won't be going completionist on this, nor is it necessary.

When GW mess up (and they've been on that road for several years) I give them grief aplenty.
But their recent board games including Warhammer Quest Silver Tower --- imperfect as it may be --- is moving more in the right direction than the past 10 years or so.

It is a times like this that GW'S notorious secrecy comes and bites them in the ass. They have not said anything publicly about the future of the game. The are rumours that proper expansions are coming, but they are just rumours. If gw came out and said publicly that they are working on an expansion, a lot of people like Street Samurai would be more willing to take the plunge at this point.

I'm glad I was wrong about needing to purchase individual cards, but the prices for the cards themselves are laughably silly. The Heroes box is nice (works out to be a bit over 50% off down here in Oz, so it's like buying at UK prices again... even better if I can get it from a discounter) but in some ways I'd feel better about this expansion if it came with the rules.

Yes, I know, the core game comes with their rules, but I'd rather it didn't and this box did. Treat it like an actual expansion, rather than a big box'o'sprues.

And I'll wait for physical card expansions. I ain't buyin' this digital gak.

 M0ff3l wrote:
So you keep saying stuff about 'people defending the price' etc. But I still haven't heard an answer to a question that you have been asked twice; why does the bonus app stuff being 'overpriced' make you not want to buy the core game itself? I really want to know what your reasoning for that is.

Whilst I cannot speak to everyone else' reasons, knowing that before something even comes out there is tons of stuff already made that is specifically not included, and is only available digitally, puts a bad smell on the whole affair.

It's not different to computer games that look really enticing, until you see they've got reams of DLC already on sale (sometimes before the game is out), so even if you buy the 'core' game you're really only getting part of it.

Plus some people are completionists and really don't like the idea of being nickel and dimed for every little bit of the game. It's why some of us prefer expansions - honest to God expansions - that are robust and contain many new items (like the original 2 Quest expansions).

I bought the base game because I think the minis are excellent, new tiles never hurt, and even if nuQuest turns out to be a gakky overly-simplistic game with limited replayability (one of the missions has a riddle... so you can't play that one more than once!) I've got the models (plus some spares I ordered) to write up in Old Quest (using my blank event cards). I'll get the Heroes box because I will have the rules for them, and they're over 50% off, so I might as well... but after that. Nope. I'm not buying an issue of WD to get a single character card. I'm not purchasing 9 digital cards for $5.99 or whatever it is. If they want to release all 20-something character cards, plus the two card packs, in a box for $29.99, then I'm there. But until then? No.

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Quite interested how the model-first design is done. Sounds like the game designers sat down in a room with a bunch of new models on the table, then had to come up with a game that would use them all.

Sounds like a backwards way to design a game to me.

 M0ff3l wrote:


I don't understand how this app makes you not want to buy ST.

It's not I am not going to buy ST, I am still going to get it when I can afford it.

It's the principle I am talking about. I stopped buying GW, I stopped buying AoS, GW got me buying AoS big time (at least for me it is big time) and got me excited again, but now seeing this, it's the principle, it seems like GW toxic ways are coming back so soon after doing so good. To me it's almost like charging for air. Like I said before, you get better value in buying a deck of Magic cards for cheaper the price and getting more. Also it's something that is in my hands. I don't know, buying virtual cards just sounds so stupid when paying so much.

Again it's perception of value. I left GW and AoS because I saw no value in them and it. GW turned it around. I see value in their products now and they seem to be changing in attitude as well. Now seeing these virtual cards at horrible price in my eyes where I see little value compared to the price, it's like they are going back to their own ways again. Again perception.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 M0ff3l wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
I have no issue with the cost, its the digital aspect, not a fan of PDF style things, I spend enough time glancing at screens as it is. Its not something I welcome during my table top gaming.

I am really quite happy to pay what ever GW deems fair for cardstock equivalents mind, so I hope as some have suggested, we see something down the road.

This i agree with. I souldnt have a problem with these prices if they were for physical cards. And i must say that im perplexed by those defending the price of the rules for character. Sure they are not expensive, but the prices of these clampack minis are already so inflated, that i find it insulting that they have the gutso to ask for even more to play them in another game

So you keep saying stuff about 'people defending the price' etc. But I still haven't heard an answer to a question that you have been asked twice; why does the bonus app stuff being 'overpriced' make you not want to buy the core game itself? I really want to know what your reasoning for that is.

Also, I feel like you are being unfair to GW by calling it 'insulting' to ask for 'even more'... In 40k you have to buy the same over priced clamp pack characters and then buy a whole codex.. In AoS you get the rules for AoS for free, and now you also want the rules for Silver Tower for free? I think that is greedy, and you are forgetting that you are already getting stuff extra with the clamp pack... That is just my opinion though.

I make a point to not ecourage business that try to squeeze me of every single penny I have. It reminds me of a restaurant which tried to charge me for some cheap plastic cutlery after I made an order over 50 $. Simply laughed and cancelled my order, And also, I can't help to compare this new WQ to the old one, which I have, and the old one is a much more complete game, which is pretty much open ended. This one is scenario based, so you won't get a huge amount of replayability, and you even have to pay for (virtual) cards that should probably have been included in the main game to begin with.
Sad since i really like some of the rules of the new one, and the minis are maginificient.

BTW, you don't have to buy the rules for the clampack individually in 40k. They come with the codex wich contains all the rules and fluff for the army. A huge difference imo (still, the price on these clampack are laughable).

This I dont understand, Were they upfront with you on this extra cost for plastic utensils? Did the restaurant not have to pay for these prior to selling them to you? Why could you have not simply declined the extra utensils?

Miniatures first seems logical. BAC was a game based around using 30k minis. Deathwatch was a game about fighting Genestealer cults. The design of silver tower is based around the idea of fighting Tzeentch's minions. The miniatures are part of the concept. All games come up with a concept first and then build rules around that. Of course the best way is too be a little more organic, with miniatures informing rules and rules informing miniatures, but that is probably quite difficult to fit into a production schedule.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I guess it depends on wether you consider barebone ST as being worth his price or not, For me it ain't. It seems to have very little replayability, and as far as we know, the only content they will add will be through this app.

If you find the game worth his price as it is, I can understand why you are not too bothered with the DLC. I guess that younger persons are also not as bothered with DLC, since they have grown up with them.


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Chikout wrote:
To push the analogy a little further. You order a steak dinner. It is pretty expensive but it looks delicious. This dinner comes with fries. You want more fries but they are very expensive. Do you cancel your order?
I will be picking my set up on Monday and will then try to convert all the duplicates to make them look more unique.

To use the same analogy, It would depend on the size of the portion. For me, ST is presently a very small portion of filet mignon

I'm not sure why you think this has little replay value. To finish the game you have to complete 8 different trails which are 1 play through each, and then face off against the final boss. So that's 9 play throughout with just one party composition...

Can we shut up with the steak analogies?
Is obvious streetsamurai doesn't like the game and nothing realistic is going to change his mind.
It's not achieving anything other than making me hungry for steak.

I don't see why it is unrealistic to claim that having to pay 6 cad for 9 cards is absurd and remove a lot of the value of the game. Not to mention that I was one of the more enthousiast poster at first concerning this game.

But then, I know a few kiddies doesn't appreciate that some have the temerity to say something negative about GW. They'll grow up eventually.


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Colonel Cabbage wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I guess it depends on wether you consider barebone ST as being worth his price or not, For me it ain't. It seems to have very little replayability, and as far as we know, the only content they will add will be through this app.

If you find the game worth his price as it is, I can understand why you are not too bothered with the DLC. I guess that younger persons are also not as bothered with DLC, since they have grown up with them.


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Chikout wrote:
To push the analogy a little further. You order a steak dinner. It is pretty expensive but it looks delicious. This dinner comes with fries. You want more fries but they are very expensive. Do you cancel your order?
I will be picking my set up on Monday and will then try to convert all the duplicates to make them look more unique.

To use the same analogy, It would depend on the size of the portion. For me, ST is presently a very small portion of filet mignon

I'm not sure why you think this has little replay value. To finish the game you have to complete 8 different trails which are 1 play through each, and then face off against the final boss. So that's 9 play throughout with just one party composition...

I guess it depends to what you are comparing it. I don't know if you're old enough to have played it, but I grew up playing the original WQ. Game was almost infinite. I wasn't expecting the same level of replayability, but 9 missions, with only a few monsters, is not something I think has a lot of replayability. As I said numerously, I might change my mind if they release actual physical expension, but now, I'm only going by what we know, and it seems that the only expensions they will release will be in virtual form.

Have there been any developments on the generals handbook?

Played st 3 times and loved it. No it's not the original but they plan to back it heavily. Supposed 5 mini expansions between each major expansion. Next major one is slotted for dec.

While I am still interested in the game and will possibly buy it (depending on some detail play reviews, do not want a game that is so easy it's boring) I have to say the App stuff is ridiculous.

The complete pack is more than 26 € for something that is only useful if you additionally buy the miniatures, that is just laughable, especially for a app that looks like it has been developed by a student in less than a week. I've recently bought Witcher 3 on a sale for 25 € - a game that has cost around $80 million to develop so please stop telling the price for the app stuff is fine... To make things worse: while the base game is available in German, the app only has English content....

It would have been easy to motivate me to buy additional miniatures by giving the rules free (or including it with the miniature) - now I first have to buy the hero in the app and then (if I like the hero) have to order the miniature... and I better buy the English version otherwise I will have a mixed version game...

Grimzim wrote:
While I am still interested in the game and will possibly buy it (depending on some detail play reviews, do not want a game that is so easy it's boring) I have to say the App stuff is ridiculous.

The complete pack is more than 26 € for something that is only useful if you additionally buy the miniatures, that is just laughable, especially for a app that looks like it has been developed by a student in less than a week. I've recently bought Witcher 3 on a sale for 25 € - a game that has cost around $80 million to develop so please stop telling the price for the app stuff is fine... To make things worse: while the base game is available in German, the app only has English content....

It would have been easy to motivate me to buy additional miniatures by giving the rules free (or including it with the miniature) - now I first have to buy the hero in the app and then (if I like the hero) have to order the miniature... and I better buy the English version otherwise I will have a mixed version game...

You bought the orignal witcher 3 in a sale. Does that justify the original price, or the price of the its DLC. The 2 big DLC offer 30 hours of extra play, for about £30 (if I remember correct). A pound an hour. If I buy the Silver Tower DLC how much time will I spend with it? A single evening should give me similar play time per buck by the sounds.

If you can buy the silver tower in some form of discount (ebay, sale, onlie shop) will that then make the DLC better?

Witcher 3 cost 80 million. It was also expected to sell millions, and did sell millions of copies. How many copies are GW expecting to sell ST for? Witcher 3 was priced for a good profit, and made it.

Sorry if I was not precise enough - I did not compare the Witcher and the Silver Tower game and I did not complain about the price of the Silver Tower game at all. I just think that the digital part - the app for silver tower - is by no means reasonably priced.

To be more clear: I took the Witcher because for the money I have to pay for the app I can get the Witcher at the moment. Both are digital things, however in case of the app I would also need the miniatures to play. And I think the effort behind the development of these digital things is quite different - by magnitudes...

But as has been pointed out, the two aren't comparable.

The extra content is optional, if it's not worth the price don't pay it.

The bundled stuff and individual characters don't seem that ridiculous to me really. I could certainly see friends paying less than £1 to unlock a character they wanted to use - it's less than we'd spend on the snacks while we play

I think everyone should post their opinion about the app, physical hero cards, the way expansions are done e.g. cards in the box yes/no etc. on the FB page. At this point they might actually use some of the feedback for future releases.

"Why aren't hero sheets included as a printable format in the app" is something I'd like to know and big part of why I won't buy the hero pack. I really don't want phones or tablets as part of a board game.

What happened about the 'create you own hero' feature mentioned previously? It's still not on the app.

 nudibranch wrote:
What happened about the 'create you own hero' feature mentioned previously? It's still not on the app.

I think the idea is "Create your own hero!... by purchasing a clampack hero and the in-app rules! Not to mention purchasing the in-app skill and treasure cards for unlimited customisation possibilities!" :-p

Vorian wrote:
But as has been pointed out, the two aren't comparable.

The extra content is optional, if it's not worth the price don't pay it.

The bundled stuff and individual characters don't seem that ridiculous to me really. I could certainly see friends paying less than £1 to unlock a character they wanted to use - it's less than we'd spend on the snacks while we play

And that attitude is why the corporations will win and our future is an inevitable dystopia of transnational corporate dictatorship

 Bottle wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
What happened about the 'create you own hero' feature mentioned previously? It's still not on the app.

I think the idea is "Create your own hero!... by purchasing a clampack hero and the in-app rules! Not to mention purchasing the in-app skill and treasure cards for unlimited customisation possibilities!" :-p

Well that just killed most of my enthusiasm... At least someone will hopefully make a hero card template so we can do that ourselves.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I don't see why it is unrealistic to claim that having to pay 6 cad for 9 cards is absurd and remove a lot of the value of the game. Not to mention that I was one of the more enthousiast poster at first concerning this game.

But then, I know a few kiddies doesn't appreciate that some have the temerity to say something negative about GW. They'll grow up eventually.


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Colonel Cabbage wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
I guess it depends on wether you consider barebone ST as being worth his price or not, For me it ain't. It seems to have very little replayability, and as far as we know, the only content they will add will be through this app.

If you find the game worth his price as it is, I can understand why you are not too bothered with the DLC. I guess that younger persons are also not as bothered with DLC, since they have grown up with them.


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Chikout wrote:
To push the analogy a little further. You order a steak dinner. It is pretty expensive but it looks delicious. This dinner comes with fries. You want more fries but they are very expensive. Do you cancel your order?
I will be picking my set up on Monday and will then try to convert all the duplicates to make them look more unique.

To use the same analogy, It would depend on the size of the portion. For me, ST is presently a very small portion of filet mignon

I'm not sure why you think this has little replay value. To finish the game you have to complete 8 different trails which are 1 play through each, and then face off against the final boss. So that's 9 play throughout with just one party composition...

I guess it depends to what you are comparing it. I don't know if you're old enough to have played it, but I grew up playing the original WQ. Game was almost infinite. I wasn't expecting the same level of replayability, but 9 missions, with only a few monsters, is not something I think has a lot of replayability. As I said numerously, I might change my mind if they release actual physical expension, but now, I'm only going by what we know, and it seems that the only expensions they will release will be in virtual form.

But the 9 missions are heavily randomized every time. Also you can just take the adventure deck shuffle it up and play a random dungeon and say something like, we have to explore every room to win or something... The store owner where I played the game (who had been demoing all week) said that he felt that every playtrough was very different, and all he ever allowed to be played was the first mission (so no one got spoiled on any later content).

Also, if they had not released the app, would you have been happy with it? To me the app really feels like just a little bonus to draw in AoS players, by saying, hey that awesome hero you have from AoS? You can use that in Silver Tower! If they had not done that, you might have been more happy because GW didn't 'nickle and dime you' (it's all optional content anyways though, so not sure what the big deal is), but people with really cool AoS heroes would be less happy, having to buy all new heroes for it.

Also to people comparing it to Magic cards, I feel like you are not comparing fairly. Wizards prices their virtual packs (Magic Duels, on Steam) as ~2,50$ for 6 cards. So that is only marginally better...

Whilst I cannot speak to everyone else' reasons, knowing that before something even comes out there is tons of stuff already made that is specifically not included, and is only available digitally, puts a bad smell on the whole affair.

It's not different to computer games that look really enticing, until you see they've got reams of DLC already on sale (sometimes before the game is out), so even if you buy the 'core' game you're really only getting part of it.

I understand how some people might think about it like this, but if a new game comes out with day 1 DLC that is still a bit different imo. This would be a DLC where they are saying, if you buy this you can use characters from your other game. So it literally only applies to people who already have those, or are so invested in this new game that they want to buy those characters from the other game and play with those too... I don't know, if you like Silver Tower, and you want to play more heroes, if you can afford the GW character prices of ~20$ then why is 1$ extra so much to ask? (And yes the extra skills and treasures are overpriced, but if you get them in the bundle you basically get them for free + 10$ off).

And yes, I hope they print physical cards, which I will definitely buy when they do, but until then I just want to use my cool heroes in the game and have some fun.


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 nudibranch wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
What happened about the 'create you own hero' feature mentioned previously? It's still not on the app.

I think the idea is "Create your own hero!... by purchasing a clampack hero and the in-app rules! Not to mention purchasing the in-app skill and treasure cards for unlimited customisation possibilities!" :-p

Well that just killed most of my enthusiasm... At least someone will hopefully make a hero card template so we can do that ourselves.

Once I get my copy of the game, I will be scanning some of the cards and photoshopping them blank. I could publish those if you like (wont be for a while tho, Im only getting my copy in 2 weeks so...)

 Yodhrin wrote:

Vorian wrote:
But as has been pointed out, the two aren't comparable.

The extra content is optional, if it's not worth the price don't pay it.

The bundled stuff and individual characters don't seem that ridiculous to me really. I could certainly see friends paying less than £1 to unlock a character they wanted to use - it's less than we'd spend on the snacks while we play

And that attitude is why the corporations will win and our future is an inevitable dystopia of transnational corporate dictatorship

Welcome to the Machine

Just got my copy. Mixed bag. The sculpts are mostly great, but the fact that all enemies besides two are cloned AND the fact that there's even duplicates -down to the part numbers- of one of those spider goblin things on the sprue is a bit frustrating. Couldn't spent half an hour more to make the parts a bit different, huh? Sure, you don't have to use the parts to make the sane model four times, but such little things make it feel not as "premium" as the price suggests. And those hero sprue contraptions are the weirdest looking things, ever. (Could've fit another fifteen minis easily if they weren't going for clam-packness )

Detail is again great and some of the designs are so enjoyable and fantastic that it boggles the mind that it's the same design studio that came up with hot pants Wulfen, axeflails and Wrathmongers. I was never a great Tzeentch guy outside the 5th and 6th ed horrors, but every cult mini in there is amazing. Sadly the fiddlyness of some bits led to several bent amulets, hair strands and other tiny details on my sprues. The heroes are ...mixed, call it that. I hope the Space Wolves I have head fits on the Stormcast, then he should look like a heavily armouresd Conan.


Can't wait to play, but that is probably months off, if it ever happens.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Vorian wrote:
But as has been pointed out, the two aren't comparable.

The extra content is optional, if it's not worth the price don't pay it.

The bundled stuff and individual characters don't seem that ridiculous to me really. I could certainly see friends paying less than £1 to unlock a character they wanted to use - it's less than we'd spend on the snacks while we play

And that attitude is why the corporations will win and our future is an inevitable dystopia of transnational corporate dictatorship

It's just appreciating that my opinion isn't the be all and end all :p

These people aren't pricing things to please me or annoy me - they are taking a stab at what will make them the most money. Just bemuses me when people get angry at these things

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:
Quite interested how the model-first design is done. Sounds like the game designers sat down in a room with a bunch of new models on the table, then had to come up with a game that would use them all.

Sounds like a backwards way to design a game to me.

Except that's quite literally how GW has done things since day one. From an interview with Rick Priestley about the history of the original WHFB...

“[Bryan Ansell's] role was very top-down. He only laid down a couple of paramaters. He told us the game had to have rules for every model the company made at the time, and that it could only use standard six-sided dice, because every kid had them in their Monopoly sets."

Valete,

JohnS