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 Psienesis wrote:
There's like 35 named Chapters from various 40K sources known to be in good with the Ecclesiarchy and proponents of the Imperial Creed. I had a list at some point.

Doesn't surprise me. That's actually why 6th edition's allies chart for Sisters bugged me so much. "Allies of Convience" with Marines? With that many chapters to choose from? WTH GW? Also WTF FW for not giving Fire Lords the ability to BB up in 6th either.

Shouldn't Black Templars and SoB be, like, the best of friends?

They're like Big Daddies and Big Sisters.

Generally, if there is nothing that contradicts it, it's accepted as cannon, or at least that's how I view it.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Shouldn't Black Templars and SoB be, like, the best of friends?

They're like Big Daddies and Big Sisters.

I've been argued with on this, even by the new fluff that the BT don't technically worship the Big E a god, just as something LIKE a god. I stand by that it works better with them both being on the same page (as of the last codex update).

Ok here we go...

The Grey Knights first appeared in Realms of Chaos. They were not all psykers but had an enhanced Willpower stat, making them slightly more resistant mental assault. This in turn earned them the honor of being the only marines who weren't mind scrubbed after contact with Chaos. Regular marines, considered too costly to replace, were reduced to infant like mental states. Lesser troops were simply executed. Also this was prior to Terminator armour, so they were all in PA and led by Inquisitors.

The Imperial guard used to make use of several types of troops that are no longer present. Human suicide bombers were one such common tool. In addition there were also beastmen included in the IG as expendable fodder (when the IG considers you more expendable than them, you have problems). Like marines the IG employed all manner of assault techniques, including jump infantry (dual laspistols!), bikes and land speeders. In fact they also used to use Rhinos and Land Raiders.

Genestealer hybrids and their human looking descendants feel the same kind of love and affection for their purestrain grandparents as a normal human would for theirs.

The earliest depiction of Horus vs Emperor that I'm aware of came out in a WD. It came with a free two player game, though I forget the name, which was nothing but a pull out board of Horus' ship and some tokens yet quite fun. The Imperial player had to storm the ship and either kill Horus or sabotague the engines to win. To he best of my knowledge this is the first appearance of the mysterious figure who distracts Horus and in this version the figure is an unknown Imperial Fist terminator.

The first appearances of the Assault Cannon for terminators- either in WD or Space Hulk- listed it's ammo capacity at 500 rounds. Assuming it has a similar speed to a modern minigun on it's lowest setting it would fire 2,000 rounds per minute, or about 15 seconds worth of firing. Also no one knows how terminators reload.

Harlequins used to employ stolen tech and vehicles- including land raiders.

And I believe that the half eldar Coporal Chaos is referring to is Illiyan Nastase.


The Word Bearers once used a company of Whirlwinds to level a huge city block, burying more than a thousand Ultramarines.

Statis fields seem to both halt light and allow it through. Stasis weapons used to be widely employed and there is at least one blurb of fiction from the 1st Edition Space Marine (Epic's predecessor) which shows an assault squad waiting around a land raider that was currently stasis locked. Bolts, plasma bursts and even las shots are suspended visible in the air.

On at least one occasion a Bloodthirster has concealed itself under a cloak and appeared human size (it also referred to GK teminators as 'worthy meat' with great excitement). Note this was not a human host but some sort of 'bigger on the inside' trick as pulling back the cloak revealed a full sized thirster.

The original RT features in incantation of engine awakening by 'Scotti the Enginseer' the ends with striking the rune marked 'ON'.

More when I think of them.

Also no one knows how terminators reload.

When in doubt: space magic.

Thinking of wacky Rogue Trader stuff:
Original character, do no steal:



Watch out for the sand in your clam:


And female Space Marines are/were canon (right hand column):

Ghazzy is(rumoured to be) named after margaret thatcher. Mag uruk thraka. Also a probe was sent out from terra millenia ago and all they have found are orkish signals.

Thank you clockworkzion and kojiro for setting me straight. Fuzzy memory and sooo much confusing things from the past.

 Corporal_Chaos wrote:
Thank you clockworkzion and kojiro for setting me straight. Fuzzy memory and sooo much confusing things from the past.

Glad to help!

 ClockworkZion wrote:

And female Space Marines are/were canon (right hand column):

Ah, back when Space Marines were just dudes in power armour (with T3), before primarchs and geneseed and all that. Yes, space marines were originally T3.

The Dark Angels originally were native Americans. The feathers are the only surviving aspect of their origins. They were originally all black and the Deathwing took their colours to honour their dead, where they painted themselves as ghosts. The while colour stuck.


Each marine carries his own personal banner, stored in his backpack.

Speaking of the backpack, the nozzles on the pack were originally stabilisation thrusters. Space marines could board a ship by simply getting close enough and then jumping out an air lock, using their stabilisers as modern astronauts do to manoeuvre to the enemy ship (their boots have magnetic clamps too). Melta bombs or power fists could then be used to breach the hull. Marines streaming in, from who knows where depressurising your ship would probably be pretty scary.

I think the vents on the pack are still jets, but they only really help in a void.

The Sisters of battle are still an army you can win with in current WH40k

I've seen them referred to as 'cooling vents' for dumping waste heat. While that function seems entirely relevant, it seems dubious that such a system would double as a zero g manoeuvre system. But then we don't see much action from space marines in space.

Oberron wrote:
The Sisters of battle are still an army you can win with in current WH40k

Sometimes.

Seriously though I've had a game against Crons, Orks, Nids and Tau last month. I only lost to the Orks.

The Tau would have been much worse for me but my opponent didn't put enough bodies on the board early on which kept him from having enough to properly react to my army. Because he didn't I was able to put the pressure on him early and decimate his army (bad reserve rolls didn't hurt either).

Nids was a nice close KP game until late game where I just started wrecking face on it and wracked up the KP, and the Crons I won in Emperor's Will by controlling both objectives and having Linebreaker giving me 7VP (both objectives + Linebreaker) to my Opponent's 3 (First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord).

I only won because the game ended at the end of Turn 5. I only had Celestine (who was holding an objective and pulling the Linebreaker), a unit of 2 Battle Sisters and a lone Battle Sister (who held the other objective).

 Ashiraya wrote:
Shouldn't Black Templars and SoB be, like, the best of friends?

They're like Big Daddies and Big Sisters.

That expression sounded pretty creepy here.

It's a Bioshock reference.

Which, as settings go, is pretty creepy, but not, like, that kind of creepy.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Oberron wrote:
The Sisters of battle are still an army you can win with in current WH40k

Sometimes.

Seriously though I've had a game against Crons, Orks, Nids and Tau last month. I only lost to the Orks.

The Tau would have been much worse for me but my opponent didn't put enough bodies on the board early on which kept him from having enough to properly react to my army. Because he didn't I was able to put the pressure on him early and decimate his army (bad reserve rolls didn't hurt either).

Nids was a nice close KP game until late game where I just started wrecking face on it and wracked up the KP, and the Crons I won in Emperor's Will by controlling both objectives and having Linebreaker giving me 7VP (both objectives + Linebreaker) to my Opponent's 3 (First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord).

I only won because the game ended at the end of Turn 5. I only had Celestine (who was holding an objective and pulling the Linebreaker), a unit of 2 Battle Sisters and a lone Battle Sister (who held the other objective).

Gods, my IG army was slaughtered by SOBs recently.

30 Repentia charging across the field followed by 9 Penitent Engines. (DA HORROR) I knew if they made it to assault I would lose, therefore I focused everything I had against them and brought them down but not before the main force of 40 battle sisters with support elements made it into range. Dominion squads and the bolters shredded everything outside of the fortress and it wasn't long before the fortress fell as well. Celestine and her Seraphim bodyguard cleaned up the survivors

I haven't seen it mentioned yet... The IG/AM were able to use land raiders and rhinos and land speeders...oh my in their army.

Prior to becoming sentient fungi, Orks would wander off to reproduce when they became old . Young orks were feral and had to be brought into a warband to be brought up in more traditionally orky ways.

Given that the idea of there being engough "old orks" to maintain a species is laughable, it makes sense that GW retconned this, otherwise the race would have died out millenia ago.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
Prior to becoming sentient fungi, Orks would wander off to reproduce when they became old .

Put out to stud/seed?

The Illuminati used to be part of the 40k lore. They were the only human faction allowed access to the Black Library.

The Sisters of Silence are an all female force that are also all Nulls. Once they finish their time as initiates they only communicate using hand signals and unique sign language they only know. They serve mostly on the Black Ships.

In the old Necron lore, the C'tan created the Pariah gene, and thus nulls, so that they could convert them into a new, upgraded Necron. This was to counter the more psychically powerful creations of the Old Ones

The Cadian Gate was once part of a ring that Necrons were creating to try and fence in the Eldar. When Slaanesh was birthed some of the fence was lost, but what remains is what keeps the Eye in check and allows for the relatively smooth travel into and out of the Eye itself.

During the Siege of Vraks, there were about 30 Titans around.

30. Titans.

This is a really great thread.

According to Path of the Outcast Spirit Stones (aka Waystones) were formed when Slaanesh was birthed. What were they formed from? The Eldar that inhabited what are now the Crone Worlds (worlds outside of Slaanesh's immediate birthing, but where still affected by his birth and are in the Eye of Terror now).

According to Angels of Darkness the Dark Angel's true genetic flaw makes them suspicious and unable to trust each other, something that lead to Luthor's betrayal.

Just some stuff by Gav Thorpe I thought people might find interesting.

If all the Terminator Suits in the Blood Angels Chapter were to take to the field, one of them would be in Ultramarines livery.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
If all the Terminator Suits in the Blood Angels Chapter were to take to the field, one of them would be in Ultramarines livery.

Really now? I want to know more about that.

The Crux Terminatus is said to hold a sliver of the Emperor's armor.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
If all the Terminator Suits in the Blood Angels Chapter were to take to the field, one of them would be in Ultramarines livery.

Really now? I want to know more about that.

The Crux Terminatus is said to hold a sliver of the Emperor's armor.

There is a short story about a squad of BA termies getting ready to teleport into battle. I know it's in the red RT WD compendium, not sure of the original publication. One of the suits of armor is was borrowed from the Ultras, and whenever they repainted it in BA colors, the wearer was killed. So it's badly weathered and beaten, but still blue. The techmarines have stopped trying to cover the Ultramarine colors.

The last known wearer was brother Levi, he uses a stormbolter.

Edit: Found the text:

"Levi." The bolter's magazine was tiny in comparison to Levi's power glove, but he had no trouble in sliding it home. There was a click and the bolter's catch held the magazine. Levi shook his head, working the helmet seals carefully into place. His suit was battered and scarred and badly in need of repainting. It wasn't even in the proper chapter colours, having come from the Ultramarines armory a generation before. Bare metal showed in several places. Levi, like many of the suits previous users, had refused to let the Techmarines repaint it. Every time it's Ultramarines colours had been hidden, the suits wearer had been killed. Levi maintained that the suit knew it was only borrowed, and even the techs had come to believe the same. They had given up trying to persuade him to have it repainted in the proper colours.

The only reason space Jesus is alive is that the Orks thinks he is.