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 Manchu wrote:
Whatever the reason/cause, it is some seriously unfortunate timing.

Agreed - and it has put a bit of a damper on my enthusiasm here.

Seems like the 'Weird War II Curse' continues!

I think it's probably better to hold fire for the time being, wait for a review copy to be in a BA officianado's hands and for them to confirm what elements of 1st or 2nd ed have made it into this book.

Bit too early to talk about a curse for this game yet and it being a failure because of it - am-dram much?!

Until BA 2.0 is out it's very much a wait and see situation,

It wouldn't be the first time a newer rule set isn't much better (or indeed worse) than an old one so having Konflict bases on the older set could be all for the good

we just don't know yet

@Pacific

Well the book has been in my hands, as well as judgedoug's - I guess you missed that part? We looked for the changes we had heard are coming in 2E. They weren't there, it was all 1E. Even the scenarios seemed to be copy/pasted out of 1E. So that is the basis for K47. I'm sure Clockwork Goblin has added some things, or maybe tweaked a few things, to account for the Weird components.

@Orlando

Disagree. 2E isn't being printed because John Stallard wants to put in a swimming pool or something. There are some known issues with BA and 2E is coming out to address these with playtested solutions. I have confidence that while not everyone may think the particular solution chosen for a given problem is the best possible (folks can get very partisan about their homebrew fixes) the solutions will still be preferable to the problems. K47 debuting with known problems is a bit of a rain on the parade. I can't imagine anyone at WLG or Clockwork Goblin purposefully chose this outcome.

 Pacific wrote:
I think it's probably better to hold fire for the time being, wait for a review copy to be in a BA officianado's hands and for them to confirm what elements of 1st or 2nd ed have made it into this book.

Bit too early to talk about a curse for this game yet and it being a failure because of it - am-dram much?!

I was talking about "Weird War II" in general, yeah?

The devil's in the details, yeah?!

All kidding aside, DUST, SoTR2 and yes, while it is early days here, basing a game on the soon to be out of date BA 1.0 is...odd.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
Whatever the reason/cause, it is some seriously unfortunate timing.

Agreed - and it has put a bit of a damper on my enthusiasm here.

Seems like the 'Weird War II Curse' continues!

It is sad - I will also be waiting to see what the rukles are like.

 Manchu wrote:
@Pacific

Well the book has been in my hands, as well as judgedoug's - I guess you missed that part? We looked for the changes we had heard are coming in 2E. They weren't there, it was all 1E. Even the scenarios seemed to be copy/pasted out of 1E. So that is the basis for K47. I'm sure Clockwork Goblin has added some things, or maybe tweaked a few things, to account for the Weird components.

Oop! No I didn't actually. Apologies and I stand corrected!

That is indeed a shame.

I agree! Your hasty repudiation of my potential early overreaction is indeed shameful - but I forgive you!

All kidding aside, I wonder if we can just BA 2.0 the Konflikt 1.0 rules, where we can?

@Manchu: can you share any of the new units or at least overall themes (Germans having more monsters)? I'm still curious about the game even if my group has to house rule to BA 2.0.

For the record, I'm not writing this off - just don't feel like I can keep the two starters on pre-order.

@legionaires: I just quickly looked at the book with judgedoug, didn't even bother checking out the lists once we realized it was going to be built on 1E.

Being that its so close to the core Bolt Action ruleset, it won't be difficult to house rule Konflikt '47 using BA 2nd ed rules.

I love alternative history "what ifs", especially weird science. Don't think I need another 24 Grenadiers, so I'll hold off on the starter and pre-order the brb off amazon (which is only £20).

I Pre-ordered the book for months, will look through the rules when i receive it to see of some slight houserules can fix it.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Being that its so close to the core Bolt Action ruleset, it won't be difficult to house rule Konflikt '47 using BA 2nd ed rules

I absolutely believe you could do that with little to no problems. Not even house ruling, really.

Remember, BA2 does not invalidate any existing BA army books - it merely incorporates the errata and some "bug fixes". BA will still be the same game, just, better. K47, being built on BA1, will also be able to be played with BA2 with no problems.

_My_ disappointment was having the printed K47 rulebook have BA1 rules. Playing K47 with BA2 will necessitate a BA2 rulebook with the K47 rulebook since K47 has all the army lists in the rulebook.

 judgedoug wrote:
Playing K47 with BA2 will necessitate a BA2 rulebook with the K47 rulebook since K47 has all the army lists in the rulebook.

That doesn't bug me as I will definitely own a 2E rulebook just as soon as it is possible to do so. My issue is, this is kind of a red flag for the line and, rather than just blithely pre-order the starters under the assumption that all will be well, now I'm content to let someone else be the early adopter.

I share in your disappointment that it isn't inline with the latest edition of BA and I'm also concerned that they haven't thought the release through as a result. I'll be jumping in both feet first, for anything else I'd play the wait and see game too, but as I said, I love this sort thing.

Firestorm games in the UK have the Grizzly Medium Walker up for pre-order priced at £20.25 (22.50 RRP). If that's accurate then the prices for individual models is better than I though it would be. Firestorm have a picture of 15mm version as a place holder, a expected release date of August 6th, and put it in the Axis catagory. So taken with a big pinch of salt.

More photos from Salute thanks to Doberman and his blog.

British Heavy Infantry (like the steampunk vibe)

British (and German?) Automatons (five for twenty quid)

Cromwell with energy weapon (very sexy)

Russian Heavy Infantry (I want very much!)

Soviet Sonic Pulse Turret (bit of a mouthful)

Soviet Walker (reminds me of Sputnik for some reason)

German Demon/Vampires (seen here before)

German Light Mechpanzer Spinne (the one from the starter)

German Mechpanzer Zeus (bring the thunder!)

US Heavy Infantry (from the starter set)

US Flying Infantry (27 quid for a support walker, not bad)

US Ursus Walker (big bang)

Allied Grizzly £25 (good picture for scale)

US Kodiak Assault Walker £26 (say cheese)

US Walker group shot (much dakka)


I like the Soviet stuff a lot, and the prices pretty much what I thought they would be.

great pics.
I saw those automatons ages ago and loved them back then so im glad that they have an official use now.
is the only difference between the german and british automatons the helmet and gun? if that's the case that's kind of sad :(


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I just noticed that one of them has goggles, that's kind of funny

Those do look very nice!

Some of the German horror stuff (why are they always the only ones to do vampires, werewolves and zombies? ) looks awesome, as do the big US walkers which look to have translated well to 28mm.

Although would need to put some different heads on those US heavy infantry..

 Pacific wrote:
Those do look very nice!

Some of the German horror stuff (why are they always the only ones to do vampires, werewolves and zombies? ) looks awesome, as do the big US walkers which look to have translated well to 28mm.

Although would need to put some different heads on those US heavy infantry..

did you see the alternate gas mask looking heads? those are pretty cool.

Damn!

Those pictures have me firmly back in the "Yes!" camp here.

I might just have to dive in and then wait for Manchu to up rev KONFLIKT 1.0 with BA 2.0, into KONFLIKT 1.5!

Gas mask heads are German, he said he didn't like the heads on the US Heavy Infantry...

 usernamesareannoying wrote:
great pics.
I saw those automatons ages ago and loved them back then so im glad that they have an official use now.
is the only difference between the german and british automatons the helmet and gun? if that's the case that's kind of sad :(


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I just noticed that one of them has goggles, that's kind of funny

I thought it was weird them having helmets, let alone goggles, but I dig it ^^

 Pacific wrote:
Those do look very nice!

Some of the German horror stuff (why are the[img]y always the only ones to do vampires, werewolves and zombies? ) looks awesome, as do the big US walkers which look to have translated well to 28mm.

Although would need to put some different heads on those US heavy infantry..

Iron Pig Productions have you covered





http://www.pig-iron-productions.com/head-sprues-c-4.html

Very nice stuff, I think the third set would looks the most "American bass ass" style. At £5 for twenty is great value, I might get the £16 mixture deal.


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God I want it all! Need cash, I'm not big into my alcohol, so I don't need my liver, right? I mean it's only going to waste

From what I read about the available models in the beta test listing on Warlord's forums we have yet to see an American walker, Russian walker and Russian werebears and an bear unit are the big things.

There may be more in the K47 book but I think that's enough information to decide on a faction.

I've been considering starting up Bolt Action, but find it difficult to add much individuality to the minis. A Polish Resistance force was my option there.

Looking at this stuff though seems like a viable alternative. Not just because of the compatibility with the regular WWII stuff, but the Weird War edge. Those German mini walkers are pretty cool.

And thinking about it right now, here's an excuse to make some minis from the comic Über.

Also less chance of pissing in the tea of the grognards that way.

I do have a KV-1 with a laser mounted on it sitting unpainted from years ago...

Found the draft rules for alot of the upcoming Konflikt '47 models, and even a assembly guild for the Grizzly Walker.

http://www.clockworkgoblinminis.co.uk/downloads.html

Some interesting reading.


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Pictures off Clockwork Goblin's FB

Werebear

Werewolves 3d render

Heavy Brit Infantry Group

 Alpharius wrote:
Those pictures have me firmly back in the "Yes!" camp here.

Don't let me rain on your parade - especially since Weird War 2 is your thing. I don't like that genre, so I'm not losing much by canceling my pre-order. The minis are pretty cool so far as these things go and BA 1E, even with its known issues (some of which might have been addressed by Clockwork Goblin) is a very fun game - one of my two favorites (the other being GW's LotR).

Found a video showing off most of the models that come with the starter before and after assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJYAOYybe2s

Looking forward to some scale shots with other minis - Bolt Action and other ranges to see if I will go for the minis as well as the rules.