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**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Well...the Skitarii bundle is now 'temporarily out of stock' on the UK webstore.

I guess waiting till my birthday in May to get one was overly optimistic...

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

Requizen wrote:
NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I've appreciated some of GW's recent moves, and baby-steps towards improving, but did assume these bundles could be limited. The savings on several is just so deep that it renders several other products moot.

Who would buy Crisis Suits for $75 when this bundle exists at $85? Ditto, with some of the other bundles.

Its far sooner than I planned to buy them, but I just ordered two of the Tau sets. With FLGS discount, and sales tax I got them for just over $150 which is pretty terrific.

People who don't need another Ethereal or Fire Warriors and don't want to go through the hassle of selling the leftovers on ebay?

The old Battleforces were pretty good deals. In particular, the old Necron one was actually quite cheap compared to buying Warriors/Immortals/Ghost Ark separately, but I didn't buy it each time I needed Warriors.

Fair, but with the Firewarrior kit in this example also building the new Breachers (and... Pathfinders, or are those a different kit?), there is a lot of added value for $8-9 depending on your FLGS or online discount of choice.

**Bull0**

Pathfinders are a different, cheaper kit.

**Henshini**

How does a pre-order run out of stock?

**hotsauceman1**

Too many Pre-Orders. I mean, I bet they crunched the numbers and know how fast those can be churned out

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Because all the boxes they've manufactured so far in the first production run have been sold? Ain't complicated.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

How many previously available army boxes have been discontinued to make way for these? I know the Chaos Daemon one is gone all of a sudden. Would be pretty gakky if these are effectively their replacements and they're all limited and sold out in the first week.

**Kanluwen**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
How many previously available army boxes have been discontinued to make way for these? I know the Chaos Daemon one is gone all of a sudden. Would be pretty gakky if these are effectively their replacements and they're all limited and sold out in the first week.

Which boxes, in particular, are you referring to?

Bloodtide of Khorne box was discontinued back in July-ish, except places still have them on the shelves. Same thing goes for the Battleforce.

Additionally, we don't know if these are "limited editions" or a relatively small run. The Daemon boxes aren't sold out as of yet in any regards. The only two that are showing as "Temporarily Out of Stock" are the Skitarii(shock!) and Tau Empire(also shock--a powerful army that just got a new book, with a model that is otherwise only in a $110 box versus an $85 box, gets a huge deal on some of their most useful units). If they were limited edition, they'd be marked with "No Longer Available" like we saw with the Christmas bundles.

**the_Armyman**

Formation info from the GettingStarted! Bundles via 4chan:

SM
Each turn a single unit of the formation within 12" of the captain can shoot in the movement phase instead of moving. It can still shoot again in the shooting phase.

Skitarii
At the start of the shooting phase select a unit within 18" of the Dominus. You reroll to hit against it.

Tyranids
In the movement phase the gargoyles if they are near the Tyrant can enter reserve and immediately deep strike on the board. If they arrive near the warriors they don't scatter.

Necrons
When the warriors or the scarab are destroyed they return alive at the start of your next wound within 5" of the Overlord.

Tau
A unit near the Ethereal can redeploy. Select a model of the unit and remove all other models form the table, then put them in again wherever you want near that model. Unfortunately I don't remember when you can do this thing.

Imperial Guard
All infantry model of the formation near the Leman Russ have a 4+ cover.

The Skitarii formation is confirmed via a pic of the dataslate.

**Requizen**

That Necron formation is pretty freaking silly. Warriors go from hard to kill to "lol never die as long as the Overlord is alive".

I mean sure, they're just Warriors, and don't have ObSec or 4+ RP from Decurion, but an unkillable unit is pretty good.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Kanluwen wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
How many previously available army boxes have been discontinued to make way for these? I know the Chaos Daemon one is gone all of a sudden. Would be pretty gakky if these are effectively their replacements and they're all limited and sold out in the first week.

Which boxes, in particular, are you referring to?

Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce. Pretty sure it was up until a few days ago. Somebody in the 40k General Discussion thread mentioned the Necron battleforce as well.

**MrMoustaffa**

Does it mention unit requirements for these formations? For example, is the skitarii one a mandatory dominus, ranger squad, and onager, or is it something like 1 dominus, 1-3 ranger or vanguard, 0-3 onager?

also, that space marine one would be pretty crazy depending on what units can be taken in that formation.

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Does it mention unit requirements for these formations? For example, is the skitarii one a mandatory dominus, ranger squad, and onager, or is it something like 1 dominus, 1-3 ranger or vanguard, 0-3 onager?

also, that space marine one would be pretty crazy depending on what units can be taken in that formation.

**the_Armyman**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
Does it mention unit requirements for these formations? For example, is the skitarii one a mandatory dominus, ranger squad, and onager, or is it something like 1 dominus, 1-3 ranger or vanguard, 0-3 onager?

The only formation with pic confirmed is the skitarii, and it specifies 1 Dominus, 1 unit of Vanguard, and 1 Onager Dunecrawler. So, Vanguard only, but of any unit size and 1 Onager only, not a unit of Onagers.

**Nevelon**

The marine one looks OK. There is a limit to how much firepower a tac squad and a dread can put out, even at double rate.

Might be fun to stick them in an ADL/fort to doubletap the guns...

**Requizen**

The Skitarii one + an allied pod is great. Drop down on taret with Vanguard, get rerolls from formation, light it up with Skitarii special weapons. Actually seems like a decent addition to many Imperial forces, relatively cheap and killy without needing to take a full Skitarii(/Cult Mechanicus) detachment.

**MrMoustaffa**

the_Armyman wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Does it mention unit requirements for these formations? For example, is the skitarii one a mandatory dominus, ranger squad, and onager, or is it something like 1 dominus, 1-3 ranger or vanguard, 0-3 onager?

The only formation with pic confirmed is the skitarii, and it specifies 1 Dominus, 1 unit of Vanguard, and 1 Onager Dunecrawler. So, Vanguard only, but of any unit size and 1 Onager only, not a unit of Onagers.

I thought onagers could get taken in squadrons of 3 per heavy slot?

**Kanluwen**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
the_Armyman wrote:
MrMoustaffa wrote:
Does it mention unit requirements for these formations? For example, is the skitarii one a mandatory dominus, ranger squad, and onager, or is it something like 1 dominus, 1-3 ranger or vanguard, 0-3 onager?

The only formation with pic confirmed is the skitarii, and it specifies 1 Dominus, 1 unit of Vanguard, and 1 Onager Dunecrawler. So, Vanguard only, but of any unit size and 1 Onager only, not a unit of Onagers.

I thought onagers could get taken in squadrons of 3 per heavy slot?

They can, but formations sometimes specify a single choice rather than the specific unit.

The Ravenhawk Assault Group, for example, specifies "1 Dreadnought, Ironclad Dreadnought, or Venerable Dreadnought". Those can be taken in "units" instead.

**casvalremdeikun**

The Space Marine one looks like it might be fun with Imperial Fists tactics. If those guys get on an objective, they are going to be incredibly hard to move off with that amount of shooting. Now, if you put them in a Rhino, do they still count as having moved it the Rhino moves?

**Wilson**

the_Armyman wrote:
Formation info from the GettingStarted! Bundles via 4chan:

SM
Each turn a single unit of the formation within 12" of the captain can shoot in the movement phase instead of moving. It can still shoot again in the shooting phase.

Skitarii
At the start of the shooting phase select a unit within 18" of the Dominus. You reroll to hit against it.

Tyranids
In the movement phase the gargoyles if they are near the Tyrant can enter reserve and immediately deep strike on the board. If they arrive near the warriors they don't scatter.

Necrons
When the warriors or the scarab are destroyed they return alive at the start of your next wound within 5" of the Overlord.

Tau
A unit near the Ethereal can redeploy. Select a model of the unit and remove all other models form the table, then put them in again wherever you want near that model. Unfortunately I don't remember when you can do this thing.

Imperial Guard
All infantry model of the formation near the Leman Russ have a 4+ cover.

The Skitarii formation is confirmed via a pic of the dataslate.

Link?

**H.B.M.C.**

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Fair, but with the Firewarrior kit in this example also building the new Breachers ... there is a lot of added value for $8-9 depending on your FLGS or online discount of choice.

It could build 1 of 100 different kits and it wouldn't be any more valuable as you can still only build one squad. Paying more for extra bits that you can't use isn't value. It's a money-saving manufacturing exercise on GW's part, and precisely $0 of those savings are passed onto the consumer. In fact, the price went up.

**the_Armyman**

Wilson wrote:
the_Armyman wrote:
Formation info from the GettingStarted! Bundles via 4chan:

SM
Each turn a single unit of the formation within 12" of the captain can shoot in the movement phase instead of moving. It can still shoot again in the shooting phase.

Skitarii
At the start of the shooting phase select a unit within 18" of the Dominus. You reroll to hit against it.

Tyranids
In the movement phase the gargoyles if they are near the Tyrant can enter reserve and immediately deep strike on the board. If they arrive near the warriors they don't scatter.

Necrons
When the warriors or the scarab are destroyed they return alive at the start of your next wound within 5" of the Overlord.

Tau
A unit near the Ethereal can redeploy. Select a model of the unit and remove all other models form the table, then put them in again wherever you want near that model. Unfortunately I don't remember when you can do this thing.

Imperial Guard
All infantry model of the formation near the Leman Russ have a 4+ cover.

The Skitarii formation is confirmed via a pic of the dataslate.

Link?

http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/44584819/warhammer-40000

In case you're not familiar with 4chan, most of the site is NSFW, so click at your own risk. Also, that thread will 404 soon.

**RivenSkull**

It's a shame that the starters seems to only come with the sprues for the single models. Was looking to pick up the Malignants starter for the Coven Throne and to make/use black knights instead of hexwraiths.

**MrMoustaffa**

RivenSkull wrote:
It's a shame that the starters seems to only come with the sprues for the single models. Was looking to pick up the Malignants starter for the Coven Throne and to make/use black knights instead of hexwraiths.

For the last time they're the regular sprues. For feth's sake why on earth would they cut brand new sprues that look EXACTLY like the old ones just make them mono pose to screw customers?!?!?!

Even GW isn't that stupid, they would be wasting tens of thousands of dollars cutting new molds by doing that!

**casvalremdeikun**

RivenSkull wrote:
It's a shame that the starters seems to only come with the sprues for the single models. Was looking to pick up the Malignants starter for the Coven Throne and to make/use black knights instead of hexwraiths.

No. This is not the case. The articles in White Dwarf make it absolutely clear that these are the regular kits.

**Wilson**

Still not clear if Skitarii can now take a Dominus....

**Mymearan**

What do you mean? They can in this formation, but not normally.

**Wilson**

Mymearan wrote:
What do you mean? They can in this formation, but not normally.

I was hoping they'd give the dominus faction type Skitarii as well as cult mechanicus :[

**JohnnyHell**

"It's cray cray that Skitarii don't have an HQ."

<time passes>

"It's cray cray that Skitarii can have an HQ."

**monders**

MrMoustaffa wrote:

RivenSkull wrote:
It's a shame that the starters seems to only come with the sprues for the single models. Was looking to pick up the Malignants starter for the Coven Throne and to make/use black knights instead of hexwraiths.

For the last time they're the regular sprues. For feth's sake why on earth would they cut brand new sprues that look EXACTLY like the old ones just make them mono pose to screw customers?!?!?!

Even GW isn't that stupid, they would be wasting tens of thousands of dollars cutting new molds by doing that!

But why bother reading when just griping about Great Satan Gee Dubs is so much easier?

**wuestenfux**

Requizen wrote:
That Necron formation is pretty freaking silly. Warriors go from hard to kill to "lol never die as long as the Overlord is alive".

I mean sure, they're just Warriors, and don't have ObSec or 4+ RP from Decurion, but an unkillable unit is pretty good.

Indeed, the Necron formation is a bit silly. The formation itself looks a bit weak.