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Seems possible, if not necessarily advisable?

 Gremore wrote:
I'm sure its been expressed tenfold already, but this whole thing worries me.

I played Fantasy, I was one of those displaced by AoS, and moreover played Tomb Kings. I saw my army get rolled into the more popular cousin.

Maybe it's just by happenstance or maybe I pick badly, but my main army in 40k is Dark Eldar. I see Gangs of Commoragh coming out around the same time there's rumors of the Eldar becoming one faction, and I can't help but draw parallels- as if GW made a boardgame so their stock of hellions and reavers would still have a purpose after the Deldar are folded in with their more popular cousins.

Call it a phobia brought on from EndTimes, but I'm in serious concern mode. I need Atia or some other good rumormonger to calm me and assure me my Dark kin aren't going to just become fancy raiders for Eldar.

I highly doubt the Eldar are being rolled in to one, more likely there will be a detachment similar to that seen in Fall of Cadia wherein you CAN use them all as one force!

As for the name, I'd imagine Aeldari is simply going to be used as a term in reference to all of the Eldar factions as a combined race, if used at all!

 ekwatts wrote:
There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

This has been repeated ad-infinitum by every reliable rumour monger out there.

The only reason I can see at this point that anybody might not have read this is that some people like to fetishize their disappointment.

I'm surprised this is hard to grasp.

After they so thoroughly burned bridges with fantasy, it's a matter of trust.

The sharp improvement under Rowntree and his lack of involvement in AoS becoming a thing means that I'm merely wary personally, rather than doomsaying. That wariness is sadly pretty exhausting, but I can't really drum up enthusiasm with what we have to go by so I'm pretty much stuck with it.

But I can 100% understand the full on doomsaying, because the reassurances we've received are just that: Reassurances. Nothing solid.

We all know they're not turning things into AoS, space edition, but they -are- repeating the narrative pattern of the end times campaign. And we know 8th edition is coming. What half-measures will they implement?

Warhammer Fantasy's setting was completely destroyed. Will 40k's still be around, but be shattered almost beyond recognition?

Warhammer Fantasy's game was scrapped for a poorly designed simplified ruleset. (My view, I will specify. I consider simplified rules not inherently bad, but that this is a poor example) Will 40k be replaced by a poorly designed complex ruleset?

These are the fears, and the only way they could possibly be dispelled at this point is by full transparency of future plans. Which will never happen. We can only wait and see.

For people who didn't buy into AoS, there was a -serious- breach of trust, and that trust needs to be rebuilt. Nothing is face value until it is.

changemod wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

This has been repeated ad-infinitum by every reliable rumour monger out there.

The only reason I can see at this point that anybody might not have read this is that some people like to fetishize their disappointment.

I'm surprised this is hard to grasp.

After they so thoroughly burned bridges with fantasy, it's a matter of trust.

The sharp improvement under Rowntree and his lack of involvement in AoS becoming a thing means that I'm merely wary personally, rather than doomsaying. That wariness is sadly pretty exhausting, but I can't really drum up enthusiasm with what we have to go by so I'm pretty much stuck with it.

But I can 100% understand the full on doomsaying, because the reassurances we've received are just that: Reassurances. Nothing solid.

We all know they're not turning things into AoS, space edition, but they -are- repeating the narrative pattern of the end times campaign. And we know 8th edition is coming. What half-measures will they implement?

Warhammer Fantasy's setting was completely destroyed. Will 40k's still be around, but be shattered almost beyond recognition?

Warhammer Fantasy's game was scrapped for a poorly designed simplified ruleset. (My view, I will specify. I consider simplified rules not inherently bad, but that this is a poor example) Will 40k be replaced by a poorly designed complex ruleset?

These are the fears, and the only way they could possibly be dispelled at this point is by full transparency of future plans. Which will never happen. We can only wait and see.

For people who didn't buy into AoS, there was a -serious- breach of trust, and that trust needs to be rebuilt. Nothing is face value until it is.

Precisely this. The constant doomsayering can get a little tedious, and I'm guilty of it myself this morning whinging about the Eldar name change. But with GWs track record, I think everyone is just a bit edgy about what is going to happen to their favourite game/faction/fluff etc. It's understandable.

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

Iyanna Ariena model and rules would be great - although the Exarch within the wrathlord did return to Eldar form - maybe they will recon or she gets another one.

I can't see them bringing out a 2nd book without Marine stuff - but hopefully not Wolves or Angels yet again - there are other (first Founding) Chapters.

A full Exodite release would be great

Oh and natrually more Sisters!

 R.D.MacNiven wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

Well that got awkward, haha

Could you shed any light on #Aeldarigate and tell us if factions are getting renamed or if it's just a new way they are referred to in the fiction?

I can imagine "Aeldari" being a more formal form of "Eldar", I doubt they're going to stop using the latter (like the author wrote).
edit: well I guess I was wrong.

Vorian wrote:

 R.D.MacNiven wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

Well that got awkward, haha

Could you shed any light on #Aeldarigate and tell us if factions are getting renamed or if it's just a new way they are referred to in the fiction?

Damn, I should've said "rhino-surfing aeldar" shouldn't I, haha. Can't say anything beyond what's already been announced, aeldari is the "new" name but doesn't invalidate eldar anywhere. As for the whole "End Times" chat, nothing to say beyond what's already being said by everyone - the stress is understandable but please, don't worry yourself too much. Annoyingly vague and placatory I know, but that's all I can offer.

 R.D.MacNiven wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

We'll hold you to that

..now about the 2nd legion and it being all female.....

Red Tithe is good so far

Aeldari is probably the formal name for them, or the name they call themselves. Eldar is probably just the short hand that Hummies use because they are either too lazy or cannot properly pronounce Aeldari. I imagine in some of the first contacts between Aeldari and humans, the humans only picked up on the "Eldar" part of the word as humans often lack the subtlety and grace that the Aeldari language has always been described as having

I am perfectly ok with this as a "reveal" of what they are called, rather than a "rename".

Take elder out of aeldari and you have AI. So maybe it is all the elder race and the wraithbone constructs created by/for them, where elder is just the meat sack part of the race.

 Galef wrote:
Aeldari is probably the formal name for them, or the name they call themselves. Eldar is probably just the short hand that Hummies use because they are either too lazy or cannot properly pronounce Aeldari. I imagine in some of the first contacts between Aeldari and humans, the humans only picked up on the "Eldar" part of the word as humans often lack the subtlety and grace that the Aeldari language has always been described as having

I am perfectly ok with this as a "reveal" of what they are called, rather than a "rename".

It's akin to the language drift in The Mortal Realms. Orc became Orruk, Dwarfs became Duardin, Elves Aelves - likely because the mortal races lived in relative harmony and not isolation as the did in The World That Was. That leads to the native pronunciation becoming more common (think Queen's English compared to say, Geordie or Scouse). Pronunciation changes words - you only have to look at Middle English to see how, prior to the Dictionary, spelling varied wildly, tending to be phonetic.

 Galef wrote:
Aeldari is probably the formal name for them, or the name they call themselves. Eldar is probably just the short hand that Hummies use because they are either too lazy or cannot properly pronounce Aeldari. I imagine in some of the first contacts between Aeldari and humans, the humans only picked up on the "Eldar" part of the word as humans often lack the subtlety and grace that the Aeldari language has always been described as having

I am perfectly ok with this as a "reveal" of what they are called, rather than a "rename".

Given that it's Ahriman referring to them as the Aeldari, I think you are right on the money about it being "the formal name" for them.

 reds8n wrote:

 R.D.MacNiven wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

We'll hold you to that

..now about the 2nd legion and it being all female.....

Red Tithe is good so far

I second that. It's been a great read so far.

changemod wrote:

 ekwatts wrote:
There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

This has been repeated ad-infinitum by every reliable rumour monger out there.

The only reason I can see at this point that anybody might not have read this is that some people like to fetishize their disappointment.

I'm surprised this is hard to grasp.

After they so thoroughly burned bridges with fantasy, it's a matter of trust.

The sharp improvement under Rowntree and his lack of involvement in AoS becoming a thing means that I'm merely wary personally, rather than doomsaying. That wariness is sadly pretty exhausting, but I can't really drum up enthusiasm with what we have to go by so I'm pretty much stuck with it.

But I can 100% understand the full on doomsaying, because the reassurances we've received are just that: Reassurances. Nothing solid.

We all know they're not turning things into AoS, space edition, but they -are- repeating the narrative pattern of the end times campaign. And we know 8th edition is coming. What half-measures will they implement?

Warhammer Fantasy's setting was completely destroyed. Will 40k's still be around, but be shattered almost beyond recognition?

Warhammer Fantasy's game was scrapped for a poorly designed simplified ruleset. (My view, I will specify. I consider simplified rules not inherently bad, but that this is a poor example) Will 40k be replaced by a poorly designed complex ruleset?

These are the fears, and the only way they could possibly be dispelled at this point is by full transparency of future plans. Which will never happen. We can only wait and see.

For people who didn't buy into AoS, there was a -serious- breach of trust, and that trust needs to be rebuilt. Nothing is face value until it is.

As a hard core Tomb Kings lover, I was very burned by AoS and this is nothing like that.
People need to use their heads instead of hyperbole.
A) We have had reassurances by some of our strongest track recorded rumor people and from actual employees.
B) Games Workshop have been doing everything right. Every release has been amazing lately. Every book, every box, hell even every White Dwarf. Their online relationship with us the gamer. They will not go through that effort to throw it away.
They have been amazing yet people (I would use many other words but really do not feel like having points added against me right now) just can not let things go from years ago and some grudges from even longer.
C) They have been making solid profits for two years now because of B, and money and profit is good. They will not risk that in any way shape or form.

We do not need transparency people need to get over their sense of entitlement. We need to trust because for two years now at least we have been given no reason not to trust.
But I will say if I was a GW developer and came in reading these boards and other boards, I will be throwing the finger to many people on here and saying that they sure do not deserve the improvements that they have been given because no matter what it is never good enough for some keyboard jockeys.

 BloodGrin wrote:


As a hard core Tomb Kings lover, I was very burned by AoS and this is nothing like that.
People need to use their heads instead of hyperbole.

I'm pretty middle of the road actually, and tried to convey that. If you think I was into hyperbole territory, you haven't been reading some of the more seriously panicked or infuriated people's words.

A) We have had reassurances by some of our strongest track recorded rumor people and from actual employees.
B) Games Workshop have been doing everything right. Every release has been amazing lately. Every book, every box, hell even every White Dwarf. Their online relationship with us the gamer. They will not go through that effort to throw it away.
They have been amazing yet people (I would use many other words but really do not feel like having points added against me right now) just can not let things go from years ago and some grudges from even longer.
C) They have been making solid profits for two years now because of B, and money and profit is good. They will not risk that in any way shape or form.

A) Reassurances are just words, words can be broken or mean something very different. It's even feasible to be earnestly believing something would be well received when it emphatically won't. You can't build trust with reassurances, only reaffirm whatever level of trust already exists.
B) And now we're into hyperbole, funnily enough. "They've done some good model releases and improved their marketing" would be a better way of putting it.
C) Do you really think AoS was malicious? Or thought of as a risk? People make mistakes. Don't attribute malevolence to what can be explained by incompetence.

We do not need transparency people need to get over their sense of entitlement.

I said that it would be the only way to rip off the band aid and see if trust was warranted, not that I expected it from them.

We need to trust because for two years now at least we have been given no reason not to trust.

They've been rebuilding it after a shattering, they're not all the way back yet. 8th ed 40k is the ultimate litmus test.

But I will say if I was a GW developer and came in reading these boards and other boards, I will be throwing the finger to many people on here and saying that they sure do not deserve the improvements that they have been given because no matter what it is never good enough for some keyboard jockeys.

People will always complain. That applies to every community.

The backlash to AoS went miles above and beyond the ordinary background noise. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that kind of wave to die back quickly and without a lot of work.

While I am excited for the lore aspect for the Eldar, I hope their Triumpherate-equivilent is mediocre or bad. They already have a broken army and don't need more strong options.

 Professor_Plum wrote:
While I am excited for the lore aspect for the Eldar, I hope their Triumpherate-equivilent is mediocre or bad. They already have a broken army and don't need more strong options.

Personally, they could have the worst rules ever imagined but as long as the models look as good as this round, I am completely sold!

Am I alone in not wanting to see them expand Corsairs and Exodites? I'd much prefer these things stick to the background. Let the Exodites be the civilian farmers and craftsmen trying to rebuild their lost civilization with the Craftworlds being their hidden protectors. Let the Corsairs exist as a middle ground between Eldar and Dark Eldar to justify some of the pirating and rogue trader behavior without the extremes of both.

Rules wise I really don't think the game as a whole let alone any of the Eldar armies currently supported with rules would really benefit by having dinosaur riding, spear wielding savages or less gothic/vampirey dark eldar.

Nvs wrote:
Let the Exodites be the civilian farmers and craftsmen trying to rebuild their lost civilization with the Craftworlds being their hidden protectors.

That is not what Exodites are at all.

Exodites shun what the Eldar race had become and seek to live a life free of excess, placing value in hardship and a more primitive existence to distance themselves from the very things that led to the downfall of their species. Basically they went Amish. They are not trying to rebuild their lost civilization, they are actively trying to avoid it. They expect no help from other Eldar and would probably turn it down if offered.

 ekwatts wrote:
There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

There is no AoS-ification of 40k.

This has been repeated ad-infinitum by every reliable rumour monger out there.

The only reason I can see at this point that anybody might not have read this is that some people like to fetishize their disappointment.

Or maybe you are over-stating how drastic the changes have to be to be reminiscent of AoS. To me AoS-ification is a massive fluff upheaval, homogenising the armies and a big rules shake up. Correct me if I'm wrong, but all of these things are happening. While we don't know much about the rules shake up, I've been told by a GW staff member that the current Psychic Phase will be totally refurbished and he's never been wrong before.

All of the signs are there, written on the wall, to those who paid attention when WHFB died all the same cues are here. So while there may not be any AoS-ification, there certainly will be an End Times and for better or worse 40K will come out different.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

Nvs wrote:
Let the Exodites be the civilian farmers and craftsmen trying to rebuild their lost civilization with the Craftworlds being their hidden protectors.

That is not what Exodites are at all.

Exodites shun what the Eldar race had become and seek to live a life free of excess, placing value in hardship and a more primitive existence to distance themselves from the very things that led to the downfall of their species. Basically they went Amish. They are not trying to rebuild their lost civilization, they are actively trying to avoid it. They expect no help from other Eldar and would probably turn it down if offered.

I think as in 40k it varies depending on the Exodite world, their potential enemies and contacts with Craftworlds.

Some def retain links with their kin, they also have to have some high tech to survive in a dangerous universe - Dinosaurs don't solve everything sadly I think they will have will have a defence net, medi-care, high tech weapons, communications etc - its just that they will tend to culturally disdain them in normal life or use psychic versions. They may even have a small defence fleet or maintain links with Corsairs to give impetuous youth or bored and aging elder something violent and exciting to do, getting void defence in return.

changemod wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:


As a hard core Tomb Kings lover, I was very burned by AoS and this is nothing like that.
People need to use their heads instead of hyperbole.

I'm pretty middle of the road actually, and tried to convey that. If you think I was into hyperbole territory, you haven't been reading some of the more seriously panicked or infuriated people's words.

A) We have had reassurances by some of our strongest track recorded rumor people and from actual employees.
B) Games Workshop have been doing everything right. Every release has been amazing lately. Every book, every box, hell even every White Dwarf. Their online relationship with us the gamer. They will not go through that effort to throw it away.
They have been amazing yet people (I would use many other words but really do not feel like having points added against me right now) just can not let things go from years ago and some grudges from even longer.
C) They have been making solid profits for two years now because of B, and money and profit is good. They will not risk that in any way shape or form.

A) Reassurances are just words, words can be broken or mean something very different. It's even feasible to be earnestly believing something would be well received when it emphatically won't. You can't build trust with reassurances, only reaffirm whatever level of trust already exists.
B) And now we're into hyperbole, funnily enough. "They've done some good model releases and improved their marketing" would be a better way of putting it.
C) Do you really think AoS was malicious? Or thought of as a risk? People make mistakes. Don't attribute malevolence to what can be explained by incompetence.

We do not need transparency people need to get over their sense of entitlement.

I said that it would be the only way to rip off the band aid and see if trust was warranted, not that I expected it from them.

We need to trust because for two years now at least we have been given no reason not to trust.

They've been rebuilding it after a shattering, they're not all the way back yet. 8th ed 40k is the ultimate litmus test.

But I will say if I was a GW developer and came in reading these boards and other boards, I will be throwing the finger to many people on here and saying that they sure do not deserve the improvements that they have been given because no matter what it is never good enough for some keyboard jockeys.

People will always complain. That applies to every community.

The backlash to AoS went miles above and beyond the ordinary background noise. It's pretty unreasonable to expect that kind of wave to die back quickly and without a lot of work.

Wasn't directly at you, mainly to what you were addressing

 R.D.MacNiven wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure I would take anything one of the hacks at black libary says about fluff too seriously. I mean it is the home of back flipping terminators and rhino surfing eldar.

Besides McNiven regularly comes across as a right tool in his blog, he seems to resent the actual players of the game who like the existing fluff as it stops him turning out any old tosh.

I try, I try. But hey, if I ever write about backflipping termies or rhino-surfing eldar feel free to take actual umbridge.

I'm curious if the company this guy works for knows/cares how he is representing the business on social media, especially while they're working so hard to put out a friendly, if not exactly back-n-forth communicative yet (baby steps) public persona.

It's a bit weird to have a whole bunch of representatives from GW trying to repaint their image with two thin coats from callous corporate trashers of your childhood nostalgia to enthusiastic fellow gamers who *really care* about the little details of the existing fluff, and then have this dude calling people whiners and posting art memes of a guy getting his throat cut off to the side.

Anyone want to place bets as to how long it'll take upper management to get wind of this and give him the ol' talking to?

Firstly he's not an employee of GW.

2ndly : I think he's doing a great job both writing for them and with regards to his blogging.

and then have this dude calling people whiners

If one actually takes the time to read and think about what he's said, you'll discover the only people who he has referred to like this are those who are whining.

About something they don't really fully understand or know about yet.

No issues there IMO.

The name Aeldari is used by 4 games out there already. How's Gw not getting in trouble.....?

 reds8n wrote:
Firstly he's not an employee of GW.

2ndly : I think he's doing a great job both writing for them and with regards to his blogging.

and then have this dude calling people whiners

If one actually takes the time to read and think about what he's said, you'll discover the only people who he has referred to like this are those who are whining.

About something they don't really fully understand or know about yet.

No issues there IMO.

Games Workshop does not own Black Library? That surprises me.

I don't know about the quality of his writing, as I don't recognize his name, it's just surprising to see any kind of seemingly totally uncontrolled contact from a company in the midst of what seems to be 100% careful image control.

If GW learned anything at all from the reign of their last CEO and the furor surrounding Matt Ward, it should be "take all steps necessary to ensure that random comments from people you employ are not misconstrued as the attitude of the company at large." Regardless of whether people are actually being whiners, most companies try to refrain from engaging in internet flame wars, as it makes you look less professional as a whole.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Iyanna Ariena model and rules would be great - although the Exarch within the wrathlord did return to Eldar form - maybe they will recon or she gets another one.

I can't see them bringing out a 2nd book without Marine stuff - but hopefully not Wolves or Angels yet again - there are other (first Founding) Chapters.

A full Exodite release would be great

Oh and natrually more Sisters!

As i see and feel it the Gathering storm it's not a single event but a series of events that lead to this pivotal point.

Gathering storm 1: Fall of Cadia chaos vs imperium setting the modd for those factions

Gathering Storm 2: *Eldar based title* Eldar vs Daemons/Necrons setting the mod for those groups

Gathering Storm 3: Nids vs Tau and something else? setting the mod for Tau and tyranids at large. and repeat


This way they can produce several books focusing with several factions and just move the general plot overall instead focusing all in a single action.

The End Times fearmongering again... give us a break, folks... Things change, they always have, wait until we see what will actually happen



(Tony Hough, Space Fleet)


Also, Hi Robbie, thanks for chiming in occasionally