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 Brometheus wrote:
Wtf does that mean?

Most of the stuff he posted today was bunk, essentially.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Dragon Flyer - 12/12/10

2 butcher cannons, bs3, immune to shaken/stunned, can be locked velocity as normal. Flyer only, no hover/skimmer mode. Can vector strike at strength 10. Strafing run.
Because this might be misinterpreted I'm going to be really clear: It does not have "two firing profiles." It has 2 butcher cannons, and that's it. It does not have blasts of any kind. It is "BS4" against ground targets because of strafing run (go read it, it's a USR for details).

Terminators can be upgraded to chosen, getting +1 WS (5) and +1 wound (2), and fearless. They can take marks on top of that. It gets expensive.
- Interestingly enough, when upgraded they are troops if you take Abbadon, yet normal Terminators are Elites.
There are no "chaos storm shields,"
The best you can get is Mark of Tzeench to upgrade your 5+ invulnerable from Terminator armour to a 4+.

There is a piece of chaos wargear that gives a 4+ invulnerable, but it is not a storm shield it can just be added for characters. Yes it upgrades via mark of tzeench to 3+. No it's not available for sorcerers.


Vindicator is unchanged, but can take daemonic possession (as all chaos vehicles can). No melta of any kind on it except the potential to buy a pintle-mounted combi-melta as an upgrade.

As for the essentially indirect fire mechanism? That's made up. As for the daemonic possession changing the weapon profile for 1 shot that then expends the daemonic possession? That's made up.

The new book has a lot to explore, and lots of fiddly options here and there. The post about Abbadon and the previous one have no basis on the actual print what so ever.

A bit more believable.

Still looking good though!

I hasten to ask though. Terminators can be upgraded to Chosen.. but does this count as the Chosen Abby makes to troops? Is that rule blanket or does it apply to the unit that starts as chosen (aka the ones that are not an upgrade, rather come as Chosen). I understand you sorta answer it but is that rumour.. speculation.. yadda yadda...

SO they makes a unit better than the paladins? When they just nerfed dragio wing to introduce Abbawing (Blackwing).

I wonder how much those termis cost.

10 termis for chaos from the rumours is only 310 points. Give them all Mark of Tzeench. and upgrade them to choosen will that make them 550 points like the paladins?

I doubt those upgrades are that expensive.

Best of all chaos gets AP2 power fists while the paladins are stuck at ap3 so (IF TRUE) welcome to just one tiny bit of cheese from the chaos book.

IF it is true that is. I feel this does not sound too far off the truth.

 Marthike wrote:
SO they makes a unit better than the paladins? When they just nerfed dragio wing to introduce Abbawing (Blackwing).

I wonder how much those termis cost.

10 termis for chaos from the rumours is only 310 points. Give them all Mark of Tzeench. and upgrade them to choosen will that make them 550 points like the paladins?

I doubt those upgrades are that expensive.

Best of all chaos gets AP2 power fists while the paladins are stuck at ap3 so (IF TRUE) welcome to just one tiny bit of cheese from the chaos book.

IF it is true that is. I feel this does not sound too far off the truth.

Paladins can still take Daemonhammers for AP2 so that's good.

Have to say I'm pumped for the Chosen Terminators. I'm thinking a hilarious list would be (yes, once again...) maxing out all 6 troops slots with 30 cultists per unit so that's 600 points down and you have 180 scoring models, and then spend the rest on Chosen Terminators. At 2000, take Abaddon for that juicy 2x FoC.

It seemed fairly obvious today's rumors on Faeit212 were totally made up. I was excited at the prospect for a melta vindicator though! It's a bit of a shame that Natfka is so prone to posting bits of unvetted rumors that come from a source of zero credibility. Just makes me wonder if his "source who must not be named" is even legit. Sure, it's easy to debunk or confirm all the rumors others post, doesn't really add credibility.

 Marthike wrote:
SO they makes a unit better than the paladins? When they just nerfed dragio wing to introduce Abbawing (Blackwing).
I wonder how much those termis cost.

10 termis for chaos from the rumours is only 310 points. Give them all Mark of Tzeench. and upgrade them to choosen will that make them 550 points like the paladins?

I doubt those upgrades are that expensive.

Best of all chaos gets AP2 power fists while the paladins are stuck at ap3 so (IF TRUE) welcome to just one tiny bit of cheese from the chaos book.

Chaos Termies come with power weapons, so add 10 points per model for Fists, which would bring them to 650 for 10 models in your scenario.

I'm okay with Chaos having super expensive but super awesome Terminators even above what Grey Knights could bring to the table. Grey Knights are the cream of the astartes crop with psychic powers on top. Chosen Terminators are the cream of the traitor legions crop, with thousands of years experience each and chaos gifts on top.

Chaos should be just that good, as long as they pay for it.

"There are no "chaos storm shields"

Praise be to Khorne...


W2 Terminators don’t bother me. They are Chosen after all, and if every talk about Chaos being 10,000 year-old veterans is going to get bogged down with “But not all of them are!!!” distractions then we can at least agree that the Chosen should be the elite of the elite of the elite (unless Abby makes ‘em troops! ).

 Starfarer wrote:
It seemed fairly obvious today's rumors on Faeit212 were totally made up. I was excited at the prospect for a melta vindicator though! It's a bit of a shame that Natfka is so prone to posting bits of unvetted rumors that come from a source of zero credibility. Just makes me wonder if his "source who must not be named" is even legit. Sure, it's easy to debunk or confirm all the rumors others post, doesn't really add credibility.

 Marthike wrote:
SO they makes a unit better than the paladins? When they just nerfed dragio wing to introduce Abbawing (Blackwing).
I wonder how much those termis cost.

10 termis for chaos from the rumours is only 310 points. Give them all Mark of Tzeench. and upgrade them to choosen will that make them 550 points like the paladins?

I doubt those upgrades are that expensive.

Best of all chaos gets AP2 power fists while the paladins are stuck at ap3 so (IF TRUE) welcome to just one tiny bit of cheese from the chaos book.

Chaos Termies come with power weapons, so add 10 points per model for Fists, which would bring them to 650 for 10 models in your scenario.

NO not 650 points. They are currently 310 points which will be 410 with fists. I guess they will be another 10 points to become a choosen. That makes them 510 points. Curently the Mark of Tzeench is 35 points. I remember that the rumours says they are more expensive now. Lets double it to 70 points.

This makes 10 choosen termi 580 points (30 points more than paladins) with a 4+ invl and AP2 weapons. Now I can say this is definatly a buff.

I am thinking 5 Chosen Terminators w/ Mark of Tzeentch and the "Soul Blaze" rumored Icon.

So that's a bodyguard for a kick-ass Ahriman with:

-2 Wounds
-Fearless
-4+ Invulnerable Save
-WS 5?
-Soul Blaze TL Bolters
-Probably 2 Attacks
-Definitely Power Axes (Tomb Kings Halberds)

Sounds like a Rubric Terminator unit, to me.

For the record, if any of that actually comes true, I don't really agree with the WS5 part if I want to call 'em Rubric termies.

Here's hoping that there's a use for the Brotherhood of Sorcerers rule!

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Automatically Appended Next Post:
Logan from the Faeit212 comments mentions some things about:

-Lash still being in the codex, but works different

-Generic Lords are the only ones with the 4+ Iron Halo type Wargear. Think "Phase Shifter" points cost, somewhere 'round there.

-No 4+ Iron Halo "wargear" for named HQs
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"Logan", I really hope you're not a troll pal.

GK paladins still have psyker abilities, force weapons to make the 2 wounds of chaos termis immaterial, and ATSKNF. also psyker defense and better shooting.

So it should be a close match when they meet on the table!

Is there new word on when the new Chaos Codex will be released? The OP date seems to be off as I don't see anything on the Advanced Orders page that is new chaos :(

 Sephyr wrote:

GK paladins still have psyker abilities, force weapons to make the 2 wounds of chaos termis immaterial, and ATSKNF. also psyker defense and better shooting.

So it should be a close match when they meet on the table!

The thing is, neither party wants those units to meet on the table. There's a way to deal with deathstars, and it's not throw your own deathstar at it. It's basically mutually assured destruction, while you actually want them rampaging around the rest of the other players army.

 Sephyr wrote:

GK paladins still have psyker abilities, force weapons to make the 2 wounds of chaos termis immaterial, and ATSKNF. also psyker defense and better shooting.

So it should be a close match when they meet on the table!

well thats the problem, GK paladins are AP3 except for a few hammers compared to all AP2 weapons I have proposed. Sure they have their S5 attacks and force weapons but its doing no good against 2+ save. Also the powerfist will instant death the paladins. Don't forget the 4+ invul from the Mark. (5+ with +1 = 4+)

Now What if we give them the mark of nurgle. T5 means not much can instant death them (only S10). And if you really mad give them the feel no pain ( i remember they can be bought seperatly from the rumours) This will be a expensive probably around the 650 points for 10 man but ridiculous unit.

Forgot paladins can all have demon hammers but who actully equips them with all demon hammers? even with demon hammers they still face 4+ invul instead of their own 5+

Will DPs with marks unlock cult units as troops, or is it just lords, sorcerers, etc?

Not sure. Have only heard "HQs unlock cults with the appropriate mark"

 Sharkvictim wrote:
Will DPs with marks unlock cult units as troops, or is it just lords, sorcerers, etc?

The original runour was lords only but that is now several months old and could well be wrong/incomplete.

I heard it was just Lords as well. Plus Sorcerers for Tzeentch.

The idea I think was supposed to be, since Demon Princes are going to be so completely utterly awesome pwnage (supposedly like fantasy stats), having the cults being unlocked just for lords encourages people to take them because traditionally there's been a problem with someone actually finding the normal captains/lords/masters a viable choice.

I can't quite remember WHERE I heard that though. It could even have been earlier in this thread :S

Well in my opinion lords were pretty underused because they died quickly, had average stats, and they didnt have eternal warrior.

yeah that always made me go "whut??" Chaos lords are eternal warrriors.. so should have the rule to back it up, but then i also think Tyrants should too... and Belial.

Wonder why the csm bf is still only not available in the UK.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Wonder why the csm bf is still only not available in the UK.

It's also not available for order on the German site.

Also they're promoting a battle for CSM in the GW stores for September 15, despite the Dark Angel on the last page of the WD it seems to look pretty good for Chaos

Huh cool will have to see if my store is doing it, thanks for the info

A bunch of updates from Faeit. I'm not adding the Har666 because it all sounds pretty vague. Reassuring, but vague.

I just want the new codex... is that too much to ask? I do not even care if I lose Lash, I just want cheaper noise marines.

Slightly OT, but maybe not.

Does anyone have any idea how much the codex will be if it is coming out in hardback?



EDIT:
Nevermind - just found the WFB Orcs army book (which is also hardback) on the GW site for £27.50. So it looks like 40k codecies are getting a price hike.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Wonder why the csm bf is still only not available in the UK.

They are probably rplacinging it or repackaginig it. so once a distribution center is out of stock in certain areas thats when the go down.

So my Draigo/Paladin/Flyer army gets nutted while my "Annihilation Force" themed Black Legion army with 15+ Terminators and Abbadon becomes good again... my how the worm has turned.

I'll be getting a handful of whatever the new units are just to fill out the collection for Chaos then I am done building armies.

The only things I will be getting at release will be the codex and either the flyer or the new demon engine, money is running low atm and so it will be depending on what looks cooler. I realise out of all my armies, I have no big monstrous things. Luckily this will soon change

 BladeWalker wrote:
So my Draigo/Paladin/Flyer army gets nutted while my "Annihilation Force" themed Black Legion army with 15+ Terminators and Abbadon becomes good again... my how the worm has turned.

I'll be getting a handful of whatever the new units are just to fill out the collection for Chaos then I am done building armies.

It only gets nutted if you're planning on playing solely chaos black legion players using that specific army for the rest of their use...

I can assure you that some chaos players (myself included) have a little more honour and intelligence than to just use one broken strategy.. sorta robs a little fun out of the game..

And hey, if any Legion should be able to spam Terminator armour then it should be the Death Guard.