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Dashofpepper wrote:My biggest concern is that the lists you're playing against don't look like serious competitive lists - the kind that traditionally make DE wince.

Mech IG. Spacewolf razorback spam. Blood angel razorback spam/predator spam. Mech IG. Also Mech IG. 7+ chimeras with bigger guns for support.

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1) My experiment is for me to learn the ins and outs of the new Dark Eldar units.

2) I have played, what you consider, WAAC lists and I have no problem beating them/nor interest in playing them. I am not doing this experiment to win games. I am doing it so I know how to use Reavers, Hellions, Scourges, all the units I never used in the last book.

3) By reading your signature, I can tell you play to win. This is fine, and I respect that, but in my area, winning takes a back seat for fun.

I knew the kind of responses I would get by posting this on Dakka. Bottom line is, nothing I field and nothing my opponent fields will ever be WAAC enough for the posters on Dakka. I can fight an army YOU consider WAAC, and I will get 10 people telling me my opponent is an idiot/fool/ignorant/noob for fielding unit x or unit y.

My blog is for your average 40k hobbyist that wants to have fun. They want to know what units work/don't work for THEM before making any purchases.

Want to beat those lists you mentioned? Spam out Blasters in a Kabal list or spam out Wyches w/ Haywire Grenades in a Cult list. Done. The only difference is WAAC IG. Whoever goes first wins.

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Only I have a WAAC IG army in my entire area. All the other IG armies are not up to what you consider WAAC. This means you won't be seeing a fight against a Chimera Army on my blog because I physically can't.

I will not play with myself either

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The eldar list is actually pretty close to the ones that Blackmoor consistently mops people up with and then has to defend because people who haven't played against it say it sucks.

Footdar with seer council and eldrad is a deceptively good - my WAAC fatecrusher list was treated pretty rough by one of those footdar lists.

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No offense Buffo, since I'm following your thread here and reading your blog, but I have fun winning....what exactly isn't fun about winning a game?


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Great batreps BuFFo; I'm enjoying the video reports even more than I thought I would. A lot of video battle reports are a bit shaky and hard to follow, but you and your various opponents are doing a great job!

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BuFFo wrote:I am currently in a Venom building contest... After the 29th, I will divulge everything about the Venom on here to you.


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Keep going BuFFo!

I have to say I'm a bit saddened by the number of negative comments you get. It seems like you spend a lot of time putting together a unique list to see how it works, playing it, filming it and remaining active to answer questions after uploading it. Then the first comment is someone saying illegal this or noob that.

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Awesome battle reports.

I don't know about others but the only reason I would have to see you play a WAAC list or mech IG is because you seem to be winning every game (or could have won if in a competitive environment) and the list you're using doesn't seem to be WAAC at all either. Put simply, I'm scared silly of these new invincible models.
   
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Somnicide wrote:The eldar list is actually pretty close to the ones that Blackmoor consistently mops people up with and then has to defend because people who haven't played against it say it sucks.

Footdar with seer council and eldrad is a deceptively good - my WAAC fatecrusher list was treated pretty rough by one of those footdar lists.


I agree! There are plenty of "non internet" builds that do just fine, but people jsut refuse to awknowledge them. For instance, the gent who won first place at the 'Ard Boyz Semis this year in southern Florida was an all Genestealer / Gargoyle list.

Foot Eldar is very good. My opponent Defensetratus is a VERY good player, and a wonderful gentleman to play against. Playing him improves my game everytime, since he is such a wonderful opponent.

wileythenord wrote:No offense Buffo, since I'm following your thread here and reading your blog, but I have fun winning....what exactly isn't fun about winning a game?


Nothing at all! Sorry if I implied that winning isn't fun, or there is something wrong with winning. I never meant to come off that way.

The Defenestrator wrote:Great batreps BuFFo; I'm enjoying the video reports even more than I thought I would. A lot of video battle reports are a bit shaky and hard to follow, but you and your various opponents are doing a great job!


These videos are the first time I have ever recortded anything on video in my entire life. I haev never dealt with posting videos online, ever.

I am new to all this stuff, and I am very sorry for my shaky cam. I will try to do my best to keep the shakiness to a minimum!

grak wrote:Keep going BuFFo!

I have to say I'm a bit saddened by the number of negative comments you get. It seems like you spend a lot of time putting together a unique list to see how it works, playing it, filming it and remaining active to answer questions after uploading it. Then the first comment is someone saying illegal this or noob that.

Well, cheers for putting yourself out there and having fun


I welcome both positive and negative comments on my blog. As a matter of fact, I want people to speak their minds on my blog without fear of moderation or restriction of speech. People can be as harsh on me as they want, because that is part of the reason for my 45 games of Dark Eldar. I want to see how people react to my games, and I welcome all forms of criticisms.

The only kind of comment I do not tolerate on my blog is a comment based on hate, and even then only if it is directed at another poster. People can call me whatever they like, I don't care. Getting ANY reaction out of my viewers is my goal!

Mainly, I do this for the ladies and gents out there like yourself. If you are enjoying my idiocy trying to blindly learn the DE rules one fumbling game at a time, then I am doing something right, right?

rivers64 wrote:I don't know about others but the only reason I would have to see you play a WAAC list or mech IG is because you seem to be winning every game (or could have won if in a competitive environment) and the list you're using doesn't seem to be WAAC at all either. Put simply, I'm scared silly of these new invincible models.


Keep in mind that I have been playing the Dark Eldar as my main race since 1998 with only a two year break in between for my tour to Iraq. I know the old army like the back of my junk, and the new book isn't much different in play style and execution.

In the last two 'Ard Boyz, my only losses came at the hands of another Dark Eldar player last year, and the eventual Chaos Marine overall winner this year. Funny story that both of those players are best friends in real life as well, so go figure, right?

I am just LOVING the fact that the Dark Eldar book is a codex that has virtually NO bad units. There are a few lame ducks, but every unit has at least a good use for them somehow. I think this is the best written codex ever, because it captures the feel and fluff of the army while keeping it piowerful, yet without and cheese units or deathstar units to crutch the player into wins.

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BuFFo wrote:I am currently in a Venom building contest... After the 29th, I will divulge everything about the Venom on here to you.


Here ya go!

Body - Vyper
Wings - Vyper wings cut off, and two rear Rutters from two Raider kits glued as the new wings
Tail - Skeleton Tail from a skeleton Chariot from the 1980's (magnetized)
Sail - From the Raider kit (magnetized)
Guns - Two Disintegrators used as Splinter Cannons from the Raider Kits (magnetized)
Body - Tomb King Chariot glued to the Vyper.





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Very, very nice mate~! Tomb kings chariot was a great touch.

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BuFFo wrote:These videos are the first time I have ever recortded anything on video in my entire life. I haev never dealt with posting videos online, ever.

I am new to all this stuff, and I am very sorry for my shaky cam. I will try to do my best to keep the shakiness to a minimum!


Yeesh, I'm zero for two for explaining myself while commenting on your bat reps today! I meant "other batreps I've seen are shakey"; if yours are at all, I haven't noticed!

That venom's really excellently executed by the way; did you consider tacking any of the "hanging on" warriors from the raider kit to it at all? I really like the image from the codex of a venom overloaded with incubi like it's a clown car.

PS best of luck in the BoLS venom build-off!

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The Defenestrator wrote:
BuFFo wrote:These videos are the first time I have ever recortded anything on video in my entire life. I haev never dealt with posting videos online, ever.

I am new to all this stuff, and I am very sorry for my shaky cam. I will try to do my best to keep the shakiness to a minimum!


Yeesh, I'm zero for two for explaining myself while commenting on your bat reps today! I meant "other batreps I've seen are shakey"; if yours are at all, I haven't noticed!

That venom's really excellently executed by the way; did you consider tacking any of the "hanging on" warriors from the raider kit to it at all? I really like the image from the codex of a venom overloaded with incubi like it's a clown car.

PS best of luck in the BoLS venom build-off!


Oh snap dude! I am sorry... I am so used to reading things online and assuming it is negative. I just skim through most stuff, and just see everything as bad, lol.

Well, um, take your compliment and shove it! Positive criticisms online is heresy I say!



P.S. Yeah, I said 'Oh snap dude'. I am a white guy who grew up in the late 80's mid 90's as a kid. Sue me.

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The eldar list at 2500 points isnt viable, and to think it is is nonsence. Is it fun to play? Yea if you and Buffo were out to have a fun game then thats chill with me I have nothing against that. I play sam han Jetdar, An entire alaitoc pathfinder army, and then I play my Mechdar for tourneys and such. Fun games are fun.

Im Curious, and Im sure many others are, as to how Dark Eldar will perform in Tournaments. We assume that in these 45 games you will put Dark Eldar up to the test against Mech IG/Demons/Mechdar/BloodAngles/Wolves/3 Mono Necrons/ect ect ect.

We are curious as to the tournament play of Dark Eldar.

If you wana play fun games with ur friends thats fine, but alot of us are interested to see how DE perform against WAAC armies.



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Smitty0305 wrote:If you wana play fun games with ur friends thats fine, but alot of us are interested to see how DE perform against WAAC armies.


More power to you then!

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So, between responses, the Venom conversion, and the batreps, think its safe to say: I award you the internet Buffo.

Even as a new player to 40k, I can even see that getting to know an entire codex is tough. I pulled a draw last night against Blood Angels that I shouldve won, if I had remembered the little detail of Hellions having hit and run. I know the DE codex decently, but there are still things I don't know, and I'm sure it's something most people deal with.

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vishra wrote:So, between responses, the Venom conversion, and the batreps, think its safe to say: I award you the internet Buffo.

Even as a new player to 40k, I can even see that getting to know an entire codex is tough. I pulled a draw last night against Blood Angels that I shouldve won, if I had remembered the little detail of Hellions having hit and run. I know the DE codex decently, but there are still things I don't know, and I'm sure it's something most people deal with.


And that is exactly how the Dark Eldar play.

If you make a SINGLE mistake in the entire game, there is a good chance you'll get tabled or just plain won't win.

Mastery of the Dark Eldar is knowing every unit you have intimately, and how to use them against your opponent's army intimately.

You don't have mass Av12+ to hide behind. You don't have 3+ AS to hide behind. You don't have broke/cheese/power/deathstar units to cover for your inept strategies/tactics to hide behind.

Now get back on the battlefield and capture slaves for Commorragh!

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I've throughly enjoyed your Batreps so far Buffo.

I hope to see some Scourges in Action more, they seem like they can really compliment multiple styles of play in a DE army, not to mention I'm sure the models will be neat when they come out!

Keep up the awesome work!

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Sorry if this has been said b4 but game 15 list is illegal you MUST deploy duke with a trueborn or kabalite warrior squad. E.G. he cant deploy if you dont have one.
   
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ThatMG wrote:Sorry if this has been said b4 but game 15 list is illegal you MUST deploy duke with a trueborn or kabalite warrior squad. E.G. he cant deploy if you dont have one.


Thank you for the heads up, but I'll continue deploying the Duke as per the IC rules and by the fact that he has no deployment restrictions besides giving a unit his special ability. He will continue to be played in Wych armies because 1) he can and 2) he can.

Your point has been duly noted. You said your piece, and I said mine. I will not discuss this any further in my thread.

If you have an issue with my games, point it out, as you have done, and then drop it, because this thread isn't about rules discussions. Keep all rules discussions in the proper forum.

Thank you very much.

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As I have said before thank you for putting these reports together.

I have purchased and have been testing out a 1500pt dark eldar force, to get a feel for the army. I am not much into modeling or proxing so I will only be using the models available to purchase. Your reports have given me a good place to start with my purchases. I am a huge jet bike, with blasters fan, and think hellions with the duke are fantastic! Love sniping with the jet bikes and turbo boosting when things get to close. I also like one WWP but only for the bikes and hellions to come out of. As a army wide tactic, I agree with you, it does not work. But I like it as a cheap transport if you will.

Can't wait to see your take on the hellions when you get a chance to use them.

You might try the one WWP and just put 1 or 2 units in there that have a good range, like beasts, jump pack troops or bikes. It has worked wonders for me and used right makes nearly all models with a toughness have a better and more reliable outflank (type of thing). Also work great to hold a squad of troops in the web way and drop the template on / near and objective to come out later in the game. Just my thoughts anyway.

Love your Venom! Might have to try that as my first proxie.

I like the video reports for entertainment and the maps for education. So hope you still plan on doing a good mix of both.

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Yeah, I haven't built an army around the single WWP with one or two units in it yet.

I will most definitely do that

I have a dew Hellion games under my belt. They will be up soon enough

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Smitty0305 wrote: Im Curious, and Im sure many others are, as to how Dark Eldar will perform in Tournaments. We assume that in these 45 games you will put Dark Eldar up to the test against Mech IG/Demons/Mechdar/BloodAngles/Wolves/3 Mono Necrons/ect ect ect.

We are curious as to the tournament play of Dark Eldar.

If you wana play fun games with ur friends thats fine, but alot of us are interested to see how DE perform against WAAC armies.


... and a lot of us aren't.

Keep 'em coming, BuFFo. It's the random nature of these games - both yours and your opponents' lists - that I find really intriguing. Coming into the Christmas season, it's like a DE advent calendar.

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I love your venom. By chance mine have the exact same primary components (Vyper body & reversed Tomb Kings Chariot body). I extended the back a little with plasticard, but I haven't bought any Raider kits yet, so didn't have a sail or blades to add yet, and yours looks substantially sexier. Still, I'll have to see about posting pics of mine over in the modeling forum.

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Your reports have been a lot of fun to read and also educational, while I'm learning the DE codex too.

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BuFFo wrote:Yeah, I haven't built an army around the single WWP with one or two units in it yet.

I will most definitely do that

I have a dew Hellion games under my belt. They will be up soon enough


I'm really excited to see this type of force. I've been dreaming up a Hellion list @ 1500 led by the Baron (of course) with a WWP Haemy in a Harlequin squad, 2 6 man squads of Reaver Jetbikes with heat lances, and 10 man squad of Scourges with heat lances and I'd really like to see how something like this plays. At first I scoffed @ Hellions, but 3 WS 4 Str 4 I6 attacks on the charge from Jump Infantry WITH fleet as scoring units is pretty cool. And they have Hit & Run. And they get Combat Drugs. AND their splinter pods are pretty good.

I had similar experiences with an "all or nothing" WWP army. It just isn't nearly as mobile as you would think. WWP still works best with fast units that can use the portal to make their movement more unpredictable and allows you to suck the enemy in per say and then arrive from the middle of the table for a counter assault. But it's nothing to build an army around.

How did you model your scourges? I'm planning on just using Swooping Hawks and painted them darker colors. I also considered Kabalite Warriors with Sanguinary Guard packs and wings, but this would be less like the picture in the book and more of a "counts-as", but has the advantage of being plastic.

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ThatMG wrote:Sorry if this has been said b4 but game 15 list is illegal you MUST deploy duke with a trueborn or kabalite warrior squad. E.G. he cant deploy if you dont have one.


Thank you for the heads up, but I'll continue deploying the Duke as per the IC rules and by the fact that he has no deployment restrictions besides giving a unit his special ability. He will continue to be played in Wych armies because 1) he can and 2) he can.


No deployment restrictions? To paraphrase "Pick a unit of kabalite at the beginning of the game, Sliscus must be deployed with this unit." if you can't do that you can't deploy him.

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ChrisCP, feel free to start a new thread in You Make Da Call if you want to debate this. He's stated his position and this is not the right thread to harp on it.

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AspireToGlory wrote:

How did you model your scourges? I'm planning on just using Swooping Hawks and painted them darker colors. I also considered Kabalite Warriors with Sanguinary Guard packs and wings, but this would be less like the picture in the book and more of a "counts-as", but has the advantage of being plastic.


I am lazy.

I am just going to slightly modify some wings I have and glue them to Warriors. Nothing fancy, but enough to get the job done.

I may add some extra armor to the model to show it is Ghostplate Armor they have instead of Kabalite Armor.

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Mannahnin wrote:ChrisCP, feel free to start a new thread in You Make Da Call if you want to debate this. He's stated his position and this is not the right thread to harp on it.


If Buffo is trying to learn and show how DE play, it seems to me that it would be important that he show them how to be played by the rules. His gaming group also does not use GW FAQ's, which is fine. However, if the as he said, the purpose of this thread is to learn his Dark Eldar army as well as shown others how the Dark Eldar codex plays, then he is doing a disservice by not using the FAQ or even the codex rules as written.

If that won't be the case, then maybe the thread should be changed to "45 Games with Dark Eldar (using Buffo's rules)"

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Brother Ramses wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:ChrisCP, feel free to start a new thread in You Make Da Call if you want to debate this. He's stated his position and this is not the right thread to harp on it.


If Buffo is trying to learn and show how DE play, it seems to me that it would be important that he show them how to be played by the rules. His gaming group also does not use GW FAQ's, which is fine. However, if the as he said, the purpose of this thread is to learn his Dark Eldar army as well as shown others how the Dark Eldar codex plays, then he is doing a disservice by not using the FAQ or even the codex rules as written.

If that won't be the case, then maybe the thread should be changed to "45 Games with Dark Eldar (using Buffo's rules)"




Every game of 40k IS by the rules between both players agree to play by. 40k is NOT a tournament based game with iron clad rules. Never was, never will be. It is an afternoon game between friends over beer, hookers and more beer with a rule set that is really a collection of suggestions rather than hard rules. Check out the Most Important Rule in the main rule book for this.

I am not going to devolve this thread into a pointless rules lawyer debate over such a stupid thing as to whether I can or cannot deploy the Baron.

Let me put it bluntly, a MOD has told another poster to drop this, I suggest you do the same. I will begin to report people who attempt to derail this thread.

There is a reason why this very same rule debate got LOCKED by a mod in the rules forum, and I will not have it here.

If I want to play my entire Kabalite Warrior army armed with Dark Lances and Puppy Dog shields, and my opponent is okay with it, that is the kind of game YOU WILL SEE on my blog. If you do not like it, then I am sorry I could not be of better help, but maybe my blog nor my games are for you to see.

Sorry!

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And we are saying, it nice to let people know when you're 'house ruling' something as many players who would be less knowledgeable about things like hellions str read your blog, would goto a GW or gameing club and find themselves playing BuFFoHammer not 40k. In turn this could result in a new player having a very embarrasing experiance - due to following the example of someone not following the rules as it were, and their not being clear on the matter. See our Pov there?

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