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http://warseer.com/forums/40k-army-lists/102960-2-5k-mech-eldar.html

It looks like a store in the phoenix area already played round1 and stated that no escalation was in effect for the 'ardboyz.

I thought this would be interesting to some people.

Great, why don't you just scream to the world, "I am a big fat cheater".

I mean trying to figure out the meta game is one thing, but getting the run down on mission types and special rules BEFORE an event and then making sure that everyone on the internet knows what obscure post / store website to go to so they too can cheat is pretty much over the top.

How did you even find this post, it was buried deep in the army lists forum?  Oh wait I bet you and Peter ( zero sports) Elias were coming up with a 3 falcon eldar list for this weekend.  I mean why not, he's what did you guys call him, your "enforcer".

Your actions not only label you, but everyone in that group you hang with as big fat cheaters. 

Hey world, I'm a big fat cheater !!!!!! Ain't I sexy?

now get in my belly.

 

this is funny because I may know the toledo guys but I never play 40k with them as I live in seattle.

cheating would be keeping the info to myself and changing my list. open sourcing is not cheating.

Except for the fact that not everyone will find that, and anyone who does will have an unfair advantage over those who don't.

In before purge.

Posted By Phausi on 09/21/2007 1:14 AM
Except for the fact that not everyone will find that, and anyone who does will have an unfair advantage over those who don't.

In before purge.

He's seems to be using the lower form of ethics that flows from the same school as "if I don't get caught it's not cheating".  Of course it's a form of cheating, even with all the rationalizations and obsfucation.

Kesher,

Your response was uncalled for. If anything he is leveling the playing field by letting everyone who reads his post know the same thing he does. Keeping it to himself would be much more advantageous.

More importantly, knowing the missions to an event ahead of time isn't cheating unless you procure that information through some sort of nefarious method (which isn't the case here, it is a battle report posted by someone who attended an event).

If anything, this information should be provided by GW before their events begin. It really isn't cool showing up to a tournament with an army type only to find out that the missions make it nearly unusable.

Also, this quote:



tells me that there's not much advantage in knowing what missions were played here; seems the lack of escalation is the only big news.

Wow - some of the views on cheating are significantly skewed here.  Cheating or bad ethics involves using rigged dice, moving models further than allowed by the rules, taking advantage of your opponents lack of knowledge on rules or using wargear that your unit did not purchase.  Cheating is not reposting information that has already be posted to the masses eslewhere. 

The playing field is being leveled here as Yak indicated.  Instead of keeping the information to himself or the others on Warseer that found the thread, Skkipper did everyone here a favor.  If you want to help the rest of the masses, post on other forums and let them know.  Keith did his part to help, now instead of complaining, you should do yours.   

Rob - please note that Pete received 46 out of 50 sportsmanship in Chicago with 3 falcons.  He also received 26 out of 30 in LA with guard.

Finally - For anyone who wants to look at Skkipper's "three falcon" army list, check out the thread below.  I don't know how I ever found it because it is buried deep in the army lists forum.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/CommunityForums/tabid/56/forumid/14/postid/191007/view/topic/Default.aspx

Keith - how many times do I have to tell you that your bloodthirster is not a falcon? 

So skipperr is Greg Sparks too?

- G

No, not even close. We are currently about 2,000 miles apart. Keith is more like an evil twin. I'm Arnold and he's Danny Devito (refer to the movie Twins for those to young to know).

Cheating allegations? I think the "stuck with homebrews" and sharing this with all of us knock that out.

Battle report with Eldar skimmering / eldrading to victory? Kinda boring, but I found the CHAOS TERRAIN table pretty entertaining as it mangled the pansies' little plans

But that said, I'd hate to play on that table myself!

- Salvage

I think skippy has a speech impediment.

- G

The missions should be up on the GW website today, as PDF downloads, or so I have been told. Really no need for all the drama and 'cheating' accusations.

And wouldn't it be funny if there was escalation in the later rounds even if it isn't in this one? So far this is just what one store owner was told by his trade sales rep. The sales reps weren't even on the same page when this was starting so who knows if he has all the information.

And as pointed out he didn't play the actual 'ardboyz missions.

Orion

I can be big enough to admit I misunderstood that the information that was given was ok to give out. My apologies.

Posted By Ahtman on 09/21/2007 9:51 AM
I can be big enough to admit I misunderstood that the information that was given was ok to give out. My apologies.

I too can be big enough to admit that I may have over-reacted, however something about knowing things before you are supposed to in a professionally ranked environment does not sit well with me. 

I also did not mean to personally attack anyone, I just was repeating things that have been stated on the web in public  in reference to everyones favorite 3 falcon eldar list.

I for one do not want to know missions or even what other people are playing until I show up to play.  Maybe i am the minority, who knows.

Greg, I hope you guys made it through all the flooding in your area okay recently.  Hope to see you in Baltimore in Nov.

Ah yes.. the always aromatic 3 Falcon Eldar list.  Isn't that an anagram for Limburger?  :-)

Anagrams are satanic. Satanism is on the rise on the US.

- G

Posted By Beast on 09/21/2007 11:55 AM
Ah yes.. the always aromatic 3 Falcon Eldar list.  Isn't that an anagram for Limburger?  :-)

I personally found it funny that the guy complains in his batrep about the Space Wolf army that he faced, with such gems as,

"Also, just because something is legal for a list doesn't mean that it SHOULD be but was an oversight of the game designers. That is how I define (and despise) power gaming. And yes, Space Wolves can still be a winning force, but not using any methods I'm willing to stoop too."

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....  His "Batrep" on livejournal would have been okay if he hadn't thrown around all the personal aspersions about his opponents.  Guess that speaks volumes about his own 'personality'.

I am not surprized that he won.

That Eldar list can riun circles around those assault armies.

The Space Wolf guy took 3 squads of Long Fangs???? Long Fangs?

And no Godzilla? I want to play at that guys store.

My apologies as well, I read it incorrectly.

Posted By mikhaila on 09/21/2007 7:04 AM
The missions should be up on the GW website today, as PDF downloads, or so I have been told. Really no need for all the drama and 'cheating' accusations.

No the missions are not available online... they were instructed ( local games stores) not to reveal the missions until gameday

the store i go to wouldnt even confirm any rumours about it

 

games store in phoenix huh?... guess ill email gw and let them know about it.. see if they want to disqualify the winners and deny the prize support

 

im surprised at a lot of you.. all the integrity crowd on this board saying its ok to play the game days in advance...

but then again im not surprised either

The very nature of this tournement considering the scoring catagories (battle only) and the fact there is significant prise support is likely to turn MUCH of the online community into a bunch of "Triflin' beyatches".

Posted By DarkKhabal on 09/22/2007 12:51 AM

Posted By mikhaila on 09/21/2007 7:04 AM
The missions should be up on the GW website today, as PDF downloads, or so I have been told. Really no need for all the drama and 'cheating' accusations.

No the missions are not available online... they were instructed ( local games stores) not to reveal the missions until gameday

the store i go to wouldnt even confirm any rumours about it

 

games store in phoenix huh?... guess ill email gw and let them know about it.. see if they want to disqualify the winners and deny the prize support

 

im surprised at a lot of you.. all the integrity crowd on this board saying its ok to play the game days in advance...

but then again im not surprised either

Who is talking about the validity of playing any game in advance?

Right or wrong a tournament was held ahead of time and that information is now public knowledge. Again, the only thing the original poster did was to make sure more, not less, people have the crucial advantage of potentially knowing there is no Escalation.

Perhaps you should reserve your contempt for the phoenix tournament organizers?

No the missions are not available online... they were instructed ( local games stores) not to reveal the missions until gameday

DK-

I was posting what was mentioned to me by GW. I AM a local game store, hosting both the first tournament and a regional.

As to reporting the store in Phoenix to GW and invalidating the support, where the hell do you get that attitude from, or did you not read anything? GW approved them running it early, and they didn't use the missions we are using today. No harm done.

My advice to you, is go get an army, a large coffee, hit a store and have some fun. I'm working on 3 hours sleep, and put in 90 hours of work on new tables and scenery for this. I'm going to have fun if I have to brutally cripple every person that shows up to day. Then we're all going drinking, and if we can move after the pub closes, we are coming back to the store to play Apocalypse.

@Mikhaila, Where is your store? Game Store owners like you are what keeps the game alive. We need more of you.

Thanks,

Darrian

Showcase Comics, Granite Run Mall, Media, PA....outside of Philly. Good guy and fun place

Posted By mikhaila on 09/22/2007 5:53 AM

No the missions are not available online... they were instructed ( local games stores) not to reveal the missions until gameday

DK-

I was posting what was mentioned to me by GW. I AM a local game store, hosting both the first tournament and a regional.

As to reporting the store in Phoenix to GW and invalidating the support, where the hell do you get that attitude from, or did you not read anything? GW approved them running it early, and they didn't use the missions we are using today. No harm done.

My advice to you, is go get an army, a large coffee, hit a store and have some fun. I'm working on 3 hours sleep, and put in 90 hours of work on new tables and scenery for this. I'm going to have fun if I have to brutally cripple every person that shows up to day. Then we're all going drinking, and if we can move after the pub closes, we are coming back to the store to play Apocalypse.

Where do i get the attitude from ? ill tell you from people not following the rules thats where

 

and here is the direct email response from gw if you were so all mighty and informed you would know this

"Ok here they are, but they CANNOT be shown to participants prior to the event.  I’ll repeat, do not show them prior to the event or cool stuff like this will be a thing of the past!!!"

so if they were holding the event early they showed it to the players before the official launch of the event.. period..... and anyone sharing any information is wrong period.. thats what is wrong it violates the rules of the event plain and simple

and did any of you check and see if they actually got approval from gw to hold the event in advance? i know from talking to several people around my neck of the woods that gw wasnt allowing anyhting in advance.

so my attitiude is based off of information from a gw rep.. where the hell do you get yours from?

and here is the bad part of the whole concept how many people are going to go to the regional events and then go to baltimore for a one day thing?

Posted By yakface on 09/21/2007 3:33 AM

Kesher,

Your response was uncalled for. If anything he is leveling the playing field by letting everyone who reads his post know the same thing he does. Keeping it to himself would be much more advantageous.

More importantly, knowing the missions to an event ahead of time isn't cheating unless you procure that information through some sort of nefarious method (which isn't the case here, it is a battle report posted by someone who attended an event).

If anything, this information should be provided by GW before their events begin. It really isn't cool showing up to a tournament with an army type only to find out that the missions make it nearly unusable.

"""""knowing the missions to an event ahead of time isn't cheating""""" you cant possibly be serious about that ?

finding out any information not posted to everyone is cheating in every sense of the word no matter how you obtained it....and in this case spreading the word about what was in the event vilates the rules as set down by gw

And yakface i completely disagree with you on more than one point but ill leave it at this one

this event is not for beginning players in any way.. why should you know what the scenarios are? build your list show up and see if your that damn good.. plain and simple

the idea that you must know what the scenario is shows a lack of skill.. sorry but thats the way i see it

not knowing the scenarios made it fun and challenging a nice twist to a gw sponsored event i just wish the gt was going to be like this