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This bundle contains everything you need to make ten Skitarii Vanguard and ten Skitarii Rangers, including two optional Alphas. 248 components are included in total, with forty-six heads, fifty weapons (enough to make any combination allowed for in Codex: Skitarii) and twenty 25mm bases.

This is pretty unequivocal.

Nowhere does it specify how many of each sprue is included, and as Codex: Skitarii doesn't yet exist, we have no frame of reference other than their word that it is true (in theory.)

I think you'd have every right to feel aggrieved if you'd purchased the bundle and found you couldn't create a legal squad because you didn't have the right guns.

Alright, I will confess to not reading every one of the 65 pages on this thread. But I gots muh new WD, and all of these units have "Doctrina Imperatives" Special Rule. Does anyone know what this is? Did I miss fine print somewhere?

Looking at the units, they look pretty usable.

We don't know what it is yet.

 Azreal13 wrote:

This bundle contains everything you need to make ten Skitarii Vanguard and ten Skitarii Rangers, including two optional Alphas. 248 components are included in total, with forty-six heads, fifty weapons (enough to make any combination allowed for in Codex: Skitarii) and twenty 25mm bases.

This is pretty unequivocal.

Nowhere does it specify how many of each sprue is included, and as Codex: Skitarii doesn't yet exist, we have no frame of reference other than their word that it is true (in theory.)

I think you'd have every right to feel aggrieved if you'd purchased the bundle and found you couldn't create a legal squad because you didn't have the right guns.

Well, from WD, we know Vanguard and Rangers are 4 units + 1 Alpha, with up to 5 extra at 9 pts / model.

I am not sure why you would take many more extras (except to top up points on a list) as you get 3 special weapons per 5 troops (2+alpha); and if you were to take a squad of 10, you'd only get 1 more special weapon. That is, squad of 10 = 4 special weapons; 2 squads of 5 = 6 special weapons, plus you get an extra Alpha.

 Azreal13 wrote:

This bundle contains everything you need to make ten Skitarii Vanguard and ten Skitarii Rangers, including two optional Alphas. 248 components are included in total, with forty-six heads, fifty weapons (enough to make any combination allowed for in Codex: Skitarii) and twenty 25mm bases.

This is pretty unequivocal.

Nowhere does it specify how many of each sprue is included, and as Codex: Skitarii doesn't yet exist, we have no frame of reference other than their word that it is true (in theory.)

I think you'd have every right to feel aggrieved if you'd purchased the bundle and found you couldn't create a legal squad because you didn't have the right guns.

This. The rules in the WD may not be the rules in Codex: Skitarii. :I

@ Talys
Alphas can't take Special Weapons, they can take Special Issue Wargear (the forcefields and stuff)

 Azreal13 wrote:

This bundle contains everything you need to make ten Skitarii Vanguard and ten Skitarii Rangers, including two optional Alphas. 248 components are included in total, with forty-six heads, fifty weapons (enough to make any combination allowed for in Codex: Skitarii) and twenty 25mm bases.

This is pretty unequivocal.

Nowhere does it specify how many of each sprue is included, and as Codex: Skitarii doesn't yet exist, we have no frame of reference other than their word that it is true (in theory.)

I think you'd have every right to feel aggrieved if you'd purchased the bundle and found you couldn't create a legal squad because you didn't have the right guns.

Yea somewhere I wrote it depends on the codex. Thats why you have to screenshot it, then wait for codex release, then marry the two and start asking them questions.

But I am very confident you cannot make every combination with that set, of course we must wait until release to 100% confirm.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
@ Talys
Alphas can't take Special Weapons, they can take Special Issue Wargear (the forcefields and stuff)

Ahhh you are right. Ok, so: Squad of 10 = 3 specials ; 2x Squad of 5 = 4 specials.

Plus, the Alpha can take one of the nifty haywire pistols.

 Talys wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

This bundle contains everything you need to make ten Skitarii Vanguard and ten Skitarii Rangers, including two optional Alphas. 248 components are included in total, with forty-six heads, fifty weapons (enough to make any combination allowed for in Codex: Skitarii) and twenty 25mm bases.

This is pretty unequivocal.

Nowhere does it specify how many of each sprue is included, and as Codex: Skitarii doesn't yet exist, we have no frame of reference other than their word that it is true (in theory.)

I think you'd have every right to feel aggrieved if you'd purchased the bundle and found you couldn't create a legal squad because you didn't have the right guns.

Well, from WD, we know Vanguard and Rangers are 4 units + 1 Alpha, with up to 5 extra at 9 pts / model.

I am not sure why you would take many more extras (except to top up points on a list) as you get 3 special weapons per 5 troops (2+alpha); and if you were to take a squad of 10, you'd only get 1 more special weapon. That is, squad of 10 = 4 special weapons; 2 squads of 5 = 6 special weapons, plus you get an extra Alpha.

Thing is, I shouldn't have to a) buy a WD or b) double check something that is explicitly stated by the people who make, design and sell the product. There are many other ways it could have been written which wouldn't lead a prospective buyer to believe something that isn't the case, but they chose to frame it as they did, and how they chose to write it both allows for little interpretation and is (currently) factually inaccurate.

It's obviously a slip, and I wouldn't advise anyone buy the bundle purely to exploit it, but there's very little room for misunderstanding from the description.

Hrm. Well, it's about time that GW jumped on the Steampunk bandwagon.

To be fair, I don't generally play anymore, but GW does make good enough plastic that I might buy a box or two just to make the minis. Might be able to use them for RPG stuff.

 Talys wrote:
Alright, I will confess to not reading every one of the 65 pages on this thread. But I gots muh new WD, and all of these units have "Doctrina Imperatives" Special Rule. Does anyone know what this is? Did I miss fine print somewhere?

Looking at the units, they look pretty usable.

You have all the same rules we do at this point. So no.


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Anvildude wrote:
Hrm. Well, it's about time that GW jumped on the Steampunk bandwagon.

To be fair, I don't generally play anymore, but GW does make good enough plastic that I might buy a box or two just to make the minis. Might be able to use them for RPG stuff.

I feel Ad Mech is more Dieselpunk.

Eh~~

To me, it's not so much about the pure power source as it is about the sociopolitical background and overall aesthetic (be it as it may that the various 'punks' are often named after the supposed fuel source).

Orks, Orks are Dieselpunk. Ramshackle, lots of trucks and bikes. Semiautos mixed in with the revolvers, all wrapped up in a big Anarchist strong-survive soup.

This, however, is much closer to what I think of when I think Steampunk- disciplined soldiery outfitted my a massive imperial organization headed by a shadowy figure. Plenty of ballroom subterfuge going on behind the stories of glorious charges at the fronts. And the aesthetic is much more victorian/Mideival Revival-esque, with the pickelhauben and false chivalry.

The whole of the Imperium has always been teetering on that edge of steampunk/dieselpunk, I think, due to the sociopolitical background they've given them and the sort of WWI with Rayguns feel to things, but these guys drop off into the Steam pretty heavily. Just, more on the Aetheric side of things.

Ok, im gonna whine like a child for a moment, I play Fantasy and just had to pay $48ish for 5 Blightkings models off ebay,(regularly $55), and this (new army?) release is 10 models for $39... I cant help but feel GW just really hates there fantasy fan base. That walker is really cool, and at $49 full retail that's a steal!!! I may pick one up just to paint. The fething Gyrocopter was $45 and literally no larger than a GW paint pot...

Chopxsticks wrote:
Ok, im gonna whine like a child for a moment, I play Fantasy and just had to pay $48ish for 5 Blightkings models off ebay,(regularly $55), and this (new army?) release is 10 models for $39... I cant help but feel GW just really hates there fantasy fan base. That walker is really cool, and at $49 full retail that's a steal!!! I may pick one up just to paint. The fething Gyrocopter was $45 and literally no larger than a GW paint pot...

This is not a fair comparison, though. Blightkings are special units, while Sitkarii are basic troops (like WHFB Infantry).

Crysis Battlesuits, Hive Guard, Venomthropes, Meganobz are all $60-$70 for 3.

If you put the shoe on the other foot, Stormvermin are $49 for 20 models on 1" bases; Bloodletters, Plaguebearers, and Daemonettes are all are $29 for 10 models on 1" bases.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Ok, im gonna whine like a child for a moment, I play Fantasy and just had to pay $48ish for 5 Blightkings models off ebay,(regularly $55), and this (new army?) release is 10 models for $39... I cant help but feel GW just really hates there fantasy fan base. That walker is really cool, and at $49 full retail that's a steal!!! I may pick one up just to paint. The fething Gyrocopter was $45 and literally no larger than a GW paint pot...

Tell that to the scion guys

 Desubot wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Ok, im gonna whine like a child for a moment, I play Fantasy and just had to pay $48ish for 5 Blightkings models off ebay,(regularly $55), and this (new army?) release is 10 models for $39... I cant help but feel GW just really hates there fantasy fan base. That walker is really cool, and at $49 full retail that's a steal!!! I may pick one up just to paint. The fething Gyrocopter was $45 and literally no larger than a GW paint pot...

Tell that to the scion guys

Lol yeah. Or the person who wants to field Grotesques, at $25 per model, and you need at least 3 for one lil squad.

People are assuming Skitarii are troops in the AdMech codex but GW could just easily have these as elites and something more like tech thralls or servitors as troops.

The infantry are not to my taste.

They look like Dream Forge Eisenkern Infantry wearing Pope robes and random hoses.

Why won't they bring the Perry's back to sculpt humans?

With this fancy doctrina imperialis thing, i reckon that its an orders style thing, as the data-thether item talks about leadership being increased and making them better.

OK, I'm pretty hyped given the pics. The infantry look like they'll be pretty easy to convert into the more barbaric characters I imagined after reading the fiction, and while the walkers are still moronically expensive and will require a five finger-trap discount for me to even consider picking up a full unit or two, at least the fluff for them is apparently not as idiotic as it was initially presented as being.

That said, I'll wait and see what shape the overall release takes before I pick anything up, as that will be what determines whether I buy an actual army or just some bits and bobs for my INQ28 Mechanicus/Mechanicum warbands.

 aka_mythos wrote:
People are assuming Skitarii are troops in the AdMech codex but GW could just easily have these as elites and something more like tech thralls or servitors as troops.

I guarantee you they are troops. In WD, they are marked with a triangle symbol, they ship in boxes of 10, and are priced in the range for troops (cheaper than BA tac). There are no 40k units that ship in 10s that are not basic troops. Also, the point values, and basic weapons are troopish, and the squads are troop sized.

I mean, there is absolutely nothing to suggest they are anything but.


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Baconfat wrote:
The infantry are not to my taste.

They look like Dream Forge Eisenkern Infantry wearing Pope robes and random hoses.

Why won't they bring the Perry's back to sculpt humans?

I am also not a huge fan of the steampunk type of thing. However, infantry models look pretty solid, with oodles of conversion potential, and to me the price for a 3-sprue 10 model set make it a no brainer to buy at least 1 box.

Loving all these new AdMech models especially the Dragoon. Will def be picking one of those fellas up next week. The whole steampunk aesthetic really works well on the AdMech imho. GW seems to be coming back with a vengeance, model wise anyways, so far this year. Prices (though I'm sure maannnyyy will disagree) are grand. The only prices I find rough are those for ic. But hey ho - still stoked with all the stuff coming out.

 Talys wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
People are assuming Skitarii are troops in the AdMech codex but GW could just easily have these as elites and something more like tech thralls or servitors as troops.

I guarantee you they are troops. In WD, they are marked with a triangle symbol, they ship in boxes of 10, and are priced in the range for troops (cheaper than BA tac). There are no 40k units that ship in 10s that are not basic troops. Also, the point values, and basic weapons are troopish, and the squads are troop sized.

I mean, there is absolutely nothing to suggest they are anything but.

Just like Tempestus Scions maybe they are troops in one and elites in the other. I'm inclined to believe in the AdMech codex they'll be troops but as far as I have seen we only have a definitive statement that Skitarii are troops in Codex Skitarii.

Left Hand of the Pheonix wrote:
With this fancy doctrina imperialis thing, i reckon that its an orders style thing, as the data-thether item talks about leadership being increased and making them better.

Leadership only increases after they are hit by whatever the rule does.

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Talys wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
People are assuming Skitarii are troops in the AdMech codex but GW could just easily have these as elites and something more like tech thralls or servitors as troops.

I guarantee you they are troops. In WD, they are marked with a triangle symbol, they ship in boxes of 10, and are priced in the range for troops (cheaper than BA tac). There are no 40k units that ship in 10s that are not basic troops. Also, the point values, and basic weapons are troopish, and the squads are troop sized.

I mean, there is absolutely nothing to suggest they are anything but.

Just like Tempestus Scions maybe they are troops in one and elites in the other. I'm inclined to believe in the AdMech codex they'll be troops but as far as I have seen we only have a definitive statement that Skitarii are troops in Codex Skitarii.

If that were the case they would be shipped in 5s, like Scions and Death Company (DC has moved around too, but that was a long codex ago). But anyhow, your point is valid; I just don't see it with the model box and model point value.

Anvildude wrote:
Hrm. Well, it's about time that GW jumped on the Steampunk bandwagon.

Hipster GW did Steampunk before it was cool...in 1987.

I'm pretty sure those guys will become elites in the ad mech codex. It feels too much like scions

I also think the 20$ Skitarii transfer sheet means ad mech are getting rhinos and/or chimeras and other basic imperial vehicules, which would make me very happy

 Talys wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Ok, im gonna whine like a child for a moment, I play Fantasy and just had to pay $48ish for 5 Blightkings models off ebay,(regularly $55), and this (new army?) release is 10 models for $39... I cant help but feel GW just really hates there fantasy fan base. That walker is really cool, and at $49 full retail that's a steal!!! I may pick one up just to paint. The fething Gyrocopter was $45 and literally no larger than a GW paint pot...

This is not a fair comparison, though. Blightkings are special units, while Sitkarii are basic troops (like WHFB Infantry).

Crysis Battlesuits, Hive Guard, Venomthropes, Meganobz are all $60-$70 for 3.

If you put the shoe on the other foot, Stormvermin are $49 for 20 models on 1" bases; Bloodletters, Plaguebearers, and Daemonettes are all are $29 for 10 models on 1" bases.

Fair enough, but then I could also say those are old core models, and more recent are Dark Elves Witch Elves at $60 for 10, Dwarf Longbeards at $50 for 10, ^^
You could also play a full army with just 10 of those guys I bet, were Fantasy needs far more.
I still stand by my comparison of the Ironstrider to the Gyrocoptor.

Chopxsticks wrote:


Fair enough, but then I could also say those are old core models, and more recent are Dark Elves Witch Elves at $60 for 10, Dwarf Longbeards at $50 for 10, ^^
You could also play a full army with just 10 of those guys I bet, were Fantasy needs far more.
I still stand by my comparison of the Ironstrider to the Gyrocoptor.

Sorry but both your examples are flawed, as both unit you mention also double up as Special and Rare units. A better example might be the new Dark Elf Warrior kit, which only makes a Core unit, and is $35 for 10 models.

Also, the Ad Mech models in question are quite cheap in points (9-11pts) so the average player will probably but quite a few boxes of them.

 RedFox wrote:
I'm pretty sure those guys will become elites in the ad mech codex. It feels too much like scions

I also think the 20$ Skitarii transfer sheet means ad mech are getting rhinos and/or chimeras and other basic imperial vehicules, which would make me very happy

One rumor said that they'll be getting a more traditional vehicle, plus there's the Onager that we've only seen one blurry picture of so far.

Honestly, I'd love it if they threw an Imperial Knight in as a Lord of War. That's what I'm hoping for. If Khorne Daemonkin get the Lord of Skulls, then surely Mechanicum should get the Imperial Knight...