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How much is all this in Canadian funds? I have no clue what I am looking at when I see $$$. Is that in US funds or Canadian funds when I view it?

This will be a BIG deal if I back or not. Prices seem reasonable but then again all US prices seem reasonable when I am on the GW site, get excited then see I am on the wrong site.

So what are the prices in Canadian funds?

Davor wrote:
How much is all this in Canadian funds? I have no clue what I am looking at when I see $$$. Is that in US funds or Canadian funds when I view it?

This will be a BIG deal if I back or not. Prices seem reasonable but then again all US prices seem reasonable when I am on the GW site, get excited then see I am on the wrong site.

So what are the prices in Canadian funds?

http://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=USD&To=CAD

Today $1 USD is $1.22 CAD.

Its going to be approximately $110 Canadian dollars to back the $90USD level. Depending on how the exchange rate is when the KS closes and accounts get charged.

 Spiral Arm Studios wrote:
Thanks for that Inspector #264, to add to that, we are extremely eager to create a range of female models as our universe is one of equality (everyone is doomed by the Maelstrom after all!), but we have to work on things one step at a time as we gear up.

I'm fine with waiting if it means you do it right, but I want to point out that there wasn't anything stopping you from simply alternating - making male troopers and female contractors, and then next time around making female troopers and male contractors, for example.

How can you tell if any of the Karists are male or female? They're wearing full body armor, so unless the helmet is off you can't tell the difference. Just like real armor in the real world. And there are many alternative heads available.

Ordinarily I wouldn't really care about having female troopers represented, but in this case, I look forward to it when SAS can do it. And the sole reason for that is that they've sworn off doing any compromising T&A space bikini bs. Sounds like when they do female troopers, they'll be the kind I could actually use.

God Bless America! Land of the Free, the Proud, the Prudes!

What boob armor and bare skin?

 Grey Templar wrote:
How can you tell if any of the Karists are male or female?

Because men and women are different shapes. Even a flat-chested woman who works out will still have a woman-shaped skeleton, with a narrower chest and broader hips.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
How can you tell if any of the Karists are male or female?

Because men and women are different shapes. Even a flat-chested woman who works out will still have a woman-shaped skeleton, with a narrower chest and broader hips.

Not at the 28mm scale she won't. Especially when you've got really heavy body armor or even power armor.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
How can you tell if any of the Karists are male or female?

Because men and women are different shapes. Even a flat-chested woman who works out will still have a woman-shaped skeleton, with a narrower chest and broader hips.

Not at the 28mm scale she won't. Especially when you've got really heavy body armor or even power armor.

In which case, I'll go back to my standard response: if you can't tell the difference, why the feth do you care?

I dislike people getting outraged over a very minor thing and trying to impose an overtly sexist viewpoint.

It is almost impossible to make a female miniature in the 28mm scale without it being overly sexual, and sexist. And any miniature at that scale with realistic proportions and heavy armor(like the Karists use) cannot have the minor male/female bone structure differences. An armored male and armored female character at 28mm scale are virtually impossible to tell apart without exaggerated sexual characteristics, like fictional "boob plate". We're talking a half millimeter or so difference in the size of these hypothetical sculpts to account for pelvis/shoulder differences. That isn't detail you could pick out except by holding the miniatures up to your face and doing a very close examination.

So really, all you can possibly do to say a Karist is a female is to give it a female head, because at this level of detail there is no difference.

I disagree. Proportions in 28mm can be exaggerated enough to convey the difference without the need for overt sexualization. For some reason it always seems to come down to: 'must look like men' vs 'must wear bikini mail'.

Do note I didn't say impossible, just almost impossible. Its a very difficult line to walk, and really in this case its better to be safe than sorry. Or just provide some female heads and have identical bodies, because with armor and gender neutral clothing there really is virtually no perceptible difference outside the head.

Plus you have to make business decisions. Is it really worth the extra cost of sculpting female versions of existing kits just to please a vocal minority who demands equal representation? Almost certainly not.

I'd love to have some variety in my collection, but it really wouldn't be much of a visual difference to Karists due to their armor. So it really only matters for the Epirians. And SAS has much more important things to worry about than having gender equality in their miniatures, like getting the game off the ground.

Yeah, i agree with and understand the concept of the business (in this case SAS) needing to evaluate the return on making female minis. But as for the difficulty involved (non-financial side of it) i don't think its that 'almost impossible' to do. The first minis that spring to mind are the eisenkern stormtroopers vs panzerjagers. The differences are small but still noticable, without the need for the panzerjagers to wear boobplates, g-strings or the like. Then you get other examples like victoria miniatures arcardian rifles vs gw cadians. It seems to be less a problem of being able to do it, and more a problem of wanting to do it.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
How can you tell if any of the Karists are male or female?

Because men and women are different shapes. Even a flat-chested woman who works out will still have a woman-shaped skeleton, with a narrower chest and broader hips.

Not at the 28mm scale she won't. Especially when you've got really heavy body armor or even power armor.

In which case, I'll go back to my standard response: if you can't tell the difference, why the feth do you care?

This. I always find it odd that wanting a female miniature to be readily identifiable as female is the 'straw', as it were. That is, heroic 28mm scale (or, indeed, most scales) exaggerate features to carry things across: a moment's glance at the existing Epirian figures shows they aren't exactly true-to-life miniaturization.

That said, let's be realistic about the chances of seeing female miniatures as part of this kickstarter campaign: the chance is basically zero. The argument about how they should look can almost certainly be safely tabled till some future date.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
That said, let's be realistic about the chances of seeing female miniatures as part of this kickstarter campaign: the chance is basically zero. The argument about how they should look can almost certainly be safely tabled till some future date.

I don't expect there to be female miniatures for another two years, at least. But with SAS we have to preempt the official discussion, because judging by what they've said about the Keddar Nova and so on, SAS does not want to reveal any new model until it's too late for feedback to be any use.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
That said, let's be realistic about the chances of seeing female miniatures as part of this kickstarter campaign: the chance is basically zero. The argument about how they should look can almost certainly be safely tabled till some future date.

I don't expect there to be female miniatures for another two years, at least. But with SAS we have to preempt the official discussion, because judging by what they've said about the Keddar Nova and so on, SAS does not want to reveal any new model until it's too late for feedback to be any use.

That is a very, very good point.

It's a point better made elsewhere, since development of female miniatures is unlikely to happen over the course of the kickstarter this thread is devoted to...

Any chance you can fix the 'Switch Theme' dropdown? It overlaps the MEdge banner and I keep getting taken to the Kickstarter instead of being able to switch Dakka theme. This is on Chrome on Windows and on Mac. Thanks!

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Any chance you can fix the 'Switch Theme' dropdown? It overlaps the MEdge banner and I keep getting taken to the Kickstarter instead of being able to switch Dakka theme. This is on Chrome on Windows and on Mac. Thanks!

The banner is fairly dark, but if you look you can see a small black [x] on the top left corner. That disables the banner and lets you use all the menus again.

Ta!

 Torga_DW wrote:
Yeah, i agree with and understand the concept of the business (in this case SAS) needing to evaluate the return on making female minis. But as for the difficulty involved (non-financial side of it) i don't think its that 'almost impossible' to do. The first minis that spring to mind are the eisenkern stormtroopers vs panzerjagers. The differences are small but still noticable, without the need for the panzerjagers to wear boobplates, g-strings or the like. Then you get other examples like victoria miniatures arcardian rifles vs gw cadians. It seems to be less a problem of being able to do it, and more a problem of wanting to do it.

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Exalted. As you said, setting aside the business aspect of it, making identifiable female models in 28mm is not a terribly daunting task. You really just need a few visual cues. For example, with the panzerjagers, the armor itself is subtly suggestive of femininity with smoother lines, longer curves, smaller shoulder plates, etc.

Today's update on kickstarter goes into a fair amount of detail about the structure of our missions, how to actually win a game, and how our objectives are laid out. Take a look and share your thoughts!

 insaniak wrote:
It's a point better made elsewhere, since development of female miniatures is unlikely to happen over the course of the kickstarter this thread is devoted to...

No, the point was that SAS has never posted any designs or renders until it was far too late to act on any feedback. We should be discussing ALL of their future minis well in advance to avoid the Epirian problem mistakes of the past.

I think SAS is perfectly happy with its models.

weeble1000 wrote:
I think SAS is perfectly happy with its models.

But are the customers?

 Spiral Arm Studios wrote:
Today's update on kickstarter goes into a fair amount of detail about the structure of our missions, how to actually win a game, and how our objectives are laid out. Take a look and share your thoughts!

I like the approach to objectives. It gives some nice variation, and opportunity to build custom objective markers.

I assume from the wording that objectives will have a standard size of some kind.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
It's a point better made elsewhere, since development of female miniatures is unlikely to happen over the course of the kickstarter this thread is devoted to...

No, the point was that SAS has never posted any designs or renders until it was far too late to act on any feedback. We should be discussing ALL of their future minis well in advance to avoid the Epirian problem mistakes of the past.

And my point was to do that in a different thread, because this thread is for discussion of the Kickstarter.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Spiral Arm Studios wrote:
Today's update on kickstarter goes into a fair amount of detail about the structure of our missions, how to actually win a game, and how our objectives are laid out. Take a look and share your thoughts!

I like the approach to objectives. It gives some nice variation, and opportunity to build custom objective markers.

I assume from the wording that objectives will have a standard size of some kind.

I'm glad you like them! There are standard guidelines for most of the objectives, with the faction specific objectives being included on the token sheet which comes in the boxed set.

Man, I really want those large bases.

I'm dumb and it's early, but what size bases are they going to be?