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After seeing a Leviathan using baneblade tracks on Work in Progress, I was inspired to try one myself. This one is made from 1 full baneblade kit and 2 sets of tracks from the war store.

The main hull structure is done. I made it from 1/8" acrylic to give it a strong base to start with. I will be "skinning" it with styrene for the details. The front still has to get it's shape and the lower part of the hull.

I'm using the bell of lost souls datafax for rules and the general size. It's about 18" long and 14" tall.

I also plan to do a detailed command & control room inside.

C&C welcome

Thomas

Uhh... awesome? Wow, that thing is going to so effin huge. I can't wait to see where you go with this.

What do you plan on doing for the ginormous cannon in the front?

Whats it supposed to look like when done?

That is one huge model you're building and you're certainly of to a great start.
I'll definately be following this build.

@ FearPeteySodes:
My guess is that the end result will look something like this (scroll down to the bottom of the linked page).

Yup, that would be a Leviathan. They talk about them in one of the Gaunts Ghosts books and that fighter pilot book I think. Freakin massive vehicle of DOOM!

the_cavalcade is correct - it's scaled up from the old epic mini.



For the cannon I think PVC pipe will be the base I start from.

Thomas

the_cavalcade wrote:That is one huge model you're building and you're certainly of to a great start.
I'll definately be following this build.

@ FearPeteySodes:
My guess is that the end result will look something like this (scroll down to the bottom of the linked page).

Sweet, that looks like it will be a blast to make

Dakka, we have another crazy on our hands. Isn't it great o.o!

I love projects like this. This will be fun to watch.

now THIS is why I stay with GW: you just can't have stuff like that in Hordes.

wynnstudio wrote:After seeing a Leviathan using baneblade tracks on Work in Progress, I was inspired to try one myself. This one is made from 1 full baneblade kit and 2 sets of tracks from the war store.

The main hull structure is done. I made it from 1/8" acrylic to give it a strong base to start with. I will be "skinning" it with styrene for the details. The front still has to get it's shape and the lower part of the hull.

I'm using the bell of lost souls datafax for rules and the general size. It's about 18" long and 14" tall.

I also plan to do a detailed command & control room inside.

This so 100% steals my thunder, particularly with the command centre idea. However as I know any large scale modelling project of mine is a hopeless dream never to be realised I am not upset.

You do know that is a little too big for a Leviathan, its not far off Capitol Imperialis size. I have the old Baneblade, Russ and Leviathan models (and the Capitol Imperialis too). Now assum ing you want to scale the Leviathan against the old baneblade (the new one is bigger).
Let me go grab my Epic minis.....
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You will have to deal with a text size description for now.

The old Baneblade is about 15% smaller than the new one, big enough that it could feasibly count as a valid alternative production line Baneblade.

Laid track to track upsdie down the old Baneblade had the same lenth og track as the Leviathan, is very slighly wider and is twice as tall including turret.

The Capitol Imperialis is 2.5 times as long as a Baneblade, nearly about 1.7 times as wide ommitting sponsons and three times as high. Yep, what you have is roughly Capitol Imperialis scale, in fact its actually bigger.

Ok, I got some images for you. I cropped them for easy fit.

Thanks for the images. The size thing has been (still being) debated on Laviathan and other old epic vehicles. Some say mine is to small! I went with what felt right for the stats I'm using, from the Bell of lost souls PDF. The epic scale was never really consistent across the raqnge.

I went for a size that I felt could hold 50 men and a giant cannon and it's associated guts and has more structure points then a baneblade


Thomas

Thanks for those shots Orlanth. Its cool to see the scale like that since i really have never even seen epic in person. That said i would say your leviathan is pretty good scale IMO, plus its not like people are gonna really be able to compare much to it.

niiiiiiiiiice!

As to the isze thing, I would say that your model is more mapitol size. Don't quote me but I think the cannons used to be 2 demolishers or somthing or other with multilasers down the side. As I said don't quote me it was years ago and my epic books are miles away! I'd also say that you could fit a LOT more than 100 troops in that thing even with gubbons, check out the shoulder to shoulder forgeword troops. You're only looking at the capacity of the troop hold of 10chimeras.

But then again it's a fantastic model and don't let people get you down if they want to be fussy about the size. 40K's not always in scale anyway and bigger IS better

I would say - build the Capitol with what you have ot.

One of the nice things about the Leviathan is that it is a large Superheavy, as resileint as a Reaver but because of its shape its fairly short and er, squat.

It had a footprint not much larger than a Baneblade, if we assumje the 15% growth of Epic models to continue it should be slightly weider and longer than the current Baneblade, less than a 1cm clerance each side. this will make a good size Titan class vehicle, because it is so bulky. Its actual volume must be something comperable to a Reaver titan.

A Capitol Imperialis' volume on the other hand is greater than the volume of a Warlord Titan.

The problem with an APC so big is that its practically unusable in games, no matter the scale, and it will take several turns to cross its own body length, unlss you make it unfeasibly fast. Still a Capitol would look one hell of a centrepiece, just make the rear doors large enough to fit a Baneblade, just for the prerversity of it.

I would suspect that a Capitol can be assaulted from just like a Land Raider, as it has a front hatch. I always wanted to see 50 rough riders charge out the front of a Capitol, I think I got that image from Yellow Submarine.

wynnstudio wrote:Thanks for the images. The size thing has been (still being) debated on Laviathan and other old epic vehicles. Some say mine is to small! I went with what felt right for the stats I'm using, from the Bell of lost souls PDF. The epic scale was never really consistent across the raqnge.

I went for a size that I felt could hold 50 men and a giant cannon and it's associated guts and has more structure points then a baneblade


Thomas

Ignore that. Just go with the minis, and boost another 15% to allow for gebneration changes in the vehicles.
The artwork is waaay out and should never be counted.

Look at warlord titans. Some images show thm to be several hundred metres tall, some have images of decks within ther guns, man sized hatches and laddrs giving scales to weapons well above that shown in epic. I saw artwork for Imperius Dictatio, so we arent looking at an Imperator, with decks flagpoles etc on the head that would scale her as at least 300m tall. While the canon size is around 40m ansd weighing in at 1000tons.
Go with the minis and ignore Bell of Lost Souls, once people play quick with gamescale things start not adding up, its one of the things Forgeworld got right, proving canon scale for as much as possible.

Some points:

A Baneblade sized Leviathan could easily hold the Doomsday gun, the command centre the sponsons and 50 passengers without having to resort to Gorgon level packing. Remember the interior is multi deck and APC accomodation can be very cramped. I also went with 50 capacity, but took a chunk out of that by assuming that includes the HQ platoon and three Sentinels.

The mini is armed with lascannon and battlecannon. If you upscale it too much the lascannon are at the very least battlecannon, the armament doesnt make sense. Also the Doomsday gun becomes exceptionally massive, way bigger than even titan guns if you upscale and keep the ratios for the weapons.

I think that with the upsizing to 40k scale from epic scale you have made the right decision in lengthening it.

IMHO it would look odd being able to hold 50 guys, have the giant cannon and all the crew and ammo if it was the length of the plastic baneblade.

Look forward to this build.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:I think that with the upsizing to 40k scale from epic scale you have made the right decision in lengthening it.

IMHO it would look odd being able to hold 50 guys, have the giant cannon and all the crew and ammo if it was the length of the plastic baneblade.

Look forward to this build.

Lengthen it a little, but this is about three times as long. Remember tripling the scale doesnt triple the volume, its 27x volume.. Fits 50, no more like fits 500, and thats a low estimate.

I dunno, if you figure in the inner workings of the BFG there, you're really looking at a seriously diminished troop carrying area.

Check out my sketch below. Blue is troop capacity space, red is cannon space. Everything is based off of the epic model here.

I'm with the other posters.

What you have is clearly too big for a Leviathan. Your sketch is almost getting silly-sized because you've overscale the Epic model past 40k scale. It's like you're building an Inquisitor-scale Leviathan.

The Doomsday Cannon barrel that big is too much. No more than 1" diameter to look at all reasonable. If you need a scale reference, steal the gun from the FW Bombard.

In terms of how stuff looks, a Leviathan should probably be up to twice the length of a Baneblade, probably only 50% longer. It would be taller, maybe an extra inch and a half worth of hull. That would mesh a lot better.

im in the "i like it as is" camp.
i think the sketch looks good too.

Grey Death has what I'm going for. I think thats what it should be like in size.


Thomas

Looks geat. Battlecannon on top in that sketch seems a little big, otherwise it looks like a Leviathan.

Go for it.

And make cooler rules for the Doomday cannon than Bell of Lost Souls did...

BYE

Looking at the sketch that is WAY overscale for a leviathan. First that battle cannon is HUGE! also the lascannons/multilasers are more the size of a 40K battlecannon, compare the size to the baneblade turret mounts. The troop space does look small from there but take into acount the depth (partially visable in photo.) if not check the plain photo. I reckon you'd fit 50 troops including base area in the rear section, never mind stood shoulder to shoulder forgeworld style.

But as I said earlier it looks great and does look like what it's meant to be. Keep going! It's actually tempting me to have a go at one when i've finished my current projects!

covenant84 wrote:Looking at the sketch that is WAY overscale for a leviathan. First that battle cannon is HUGE! also the lascannons/multilasers are more the size of a 40K battlecannon, compare the size to the baneblade turret mounts. The troop space does look small from there but take into acount the depth (partially visable in photo.) if not check the plain photo. I reckon you'd fit 50 troops including base area in the rear section, never mind stood shoulder to shoulder forgeworld style.

But as I said earlier it looks great and does look like what it's meant to be. Keep going! It's actually tempting me to have a go at one when i've finished my current projects!

Lascannon scaled like battlecannon. My very thoughts.

I do agree that the original Epic model was somewhat undersized, but even so a 25% increase could make it plausible for what it can do, you can double or triple the volume by just 'tweaking' the three dimensions, it doesn't need a leap in scale.

Looking at the draw over by Grey_death the image is in consistent scale with the Epic model, but this results in turrets not far short of rhino size for a single twin linked lascannon. Once built this is going to look damn peculiar. There will have to be a lot of 'give' in the proportions when dealing with the armaments and sooner or later it wont look like a Leviathan anymore.

I really want to see this done, but I fear it will end up badly. My recommendation to Wynnstudio is to build a paper mockup of the skin of the leviathan, draw on the windows and tape it onto the shell, draw on or build rough paperbox turrets , and blue tac on the weapons - important to do that as they are the main grounding for scale. Then place it on the tabletop and take a long look at it in conjunction with other minitures.

If Wynnstudio is still happy with his Leviathan so be it. But I think the model as it currently stands will make an excellent Capitol Imperialis simply by cutting off the raised section at the front and working from there.

As far as troop capacity goes, the blue areas are not the only troop capacity areas, the areas behind the windows can also be so. Though you will have to account for a command center somehwere in that lot (the raised section at the front is enough IMHO). Also remember those blue sections encompass three or four decks each, if packed like four London double decker buses as a square block (both real and 40K APC's pack them in like that) the forward area alone could seat 4x76 = 154 guardsmen. Ogryn would be a problem though.
However to counter this the rear access is very tall, indicating the Leviathan has a cavernous interior. I presume to fit a squadron of Sentinels. So seating will be along the side in banks. Upstatis it can be quite comfortable, but belowdecks its is going to get cramped.

Orlanth I appreciate and have given me some things to think about. I still think my scale is on but I won't be comiting the tracks until I'm happy. The upper structure is easy enough to build so I don't mind tossing it if I wrong. It's one of the benefits of having a laser cutter in your house

I just think we are coming at the build from 2 different ways. I took the baneblade as a start point for mass and size and went from there. The epic model is for shape and detail not not so much as the correct size in relation to the baneblade. The Leviathan has void shields and almost double the structure points. Plus is a command vehicle and troop carrier with BFG.

Here is my rough scale file, the lascannon barrels are the correct diameter.



wynnstudio

Tom,

I think the size is fine. Not sure if you have seen this, but check out this leviathan I found on the Warseer Forums. It may give you some ideas on the detailing.

I think it is actually much larger than yours.

http://warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63465&page=21


Fabio

Jeebus, that warseer leviathan is big.

Guys,

Putting one side by side with baneblades in Epic scale is misleading.

Epic scaling is flexible. The larger a vehicle got the less 'in correct scale' it was. The Capitol Imperialis for example physically would not fit the number of infantry it could hold in game terms - the downward scale creep (I assume) was to keep the models practical and affordable.

I think that the pics make it look a little bit too big but I thnk it should be fine.

R

Anung Un Rama wrote:now THIS is why I stay with GW: you just can't have stuff like that in Hordes.

well said.