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Phew, I'm glad I didn't start breaking off the swords on my crusaders

This is glorious news for me! The fluff I made for my Space Marine army requires me to take an Inquisitor in every list. Finally, after an entire edition, I can!

And you better believe I'll find something to use prescience on...

There are many lists where just dropping in an inquisitor will not help much.

There needs to be a plan on how to use them. Throwing coteaz into a bike list does not give nearly as much value as inquisitors in a squad of centurians.

Update just dropped on it. Coteaz and kamarazov bro fist action in the works.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:
They probably are doing these day-two changes in an attempt to foil piracy, since most of the time these digital codexes are online in a matter of minutes after their release.

That would be assuming an unjustified level of competence from GW. More likely this is just another case of GW's complete lack of playtesting or proofreading, combined with the realization that they can be lazy and not bother to publish an FAQ if they just edit the digital book directly.

Why on earth would they publish an FAQ? If you have internet, the update will download anyway. If you don't, you have no access to the FAQs. Hell, there was more announcement for this update than for any FAQ; which is to say it was actually announced at all on the Digital Editions FB page, as well as a notification to update if you go into the library and version histories.

 NWansbutter wrote:
I've read a number of times in this thread that ALL Imperium of Man armies get Inquisitors as Battle Brothers. This is, sadly, not correct if you factor in Forgeworld lists. I emailed forgeworld to ask them about my Death Korps of Krieg and they said that Codex: Inquisition is "Come the Apocalypse" for Krieg armies. Which I thought was rather daft considering that in the Seige of Vraks the whole Krieg army is placed under the command of the Inquisition/Hector Rex, but there you have it.

Considering the response comes from some random shmuck in customer service, I wouldn't pay any more mind to what he said than I did to the rulez boyz back when there was such a thing. Play as written. C:I says it is battle brothers for Imperial armies. Krieg is an Imperial army. Done.




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 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

 buddha wrote:
Anyone have a summary of the update and what changed?

Razorbacks back to BS4. OSR no longer one-use only. DCAs and Crusaders back to having Power Swords. Basically a return to the things that were changed from the GK in the first place.

Hmm, I wonder if this swings the balance back a bit to C:GK? C:I gets priests and doesn't use up ally slots, C:GK makes henchmen troops, their crusaders/death cult assassins have power weapons and you can put them in a Stormraven (if you're running vendettas, anyway).

 Omegus wrote:
Play as written. C:I says it is battle brothers for Imperial armies. Krieg is an Imperial army. Done.

That's not RAW. C:I says that they are battle brothers for certain armies, a list that just happens to include every codex that fluff-wise represents an Imperial army. However, unlike many variant armies where you use the "parent" army's spot on the allies matrix DKoK have their own special allies rules where they are able to ally with specific armies and treat all others as "come the apocalypse". Since C:I is not one of those specific armies (not surprising since it didn't exist yet) by RAW they are "come the apocalypse" for DKoK.

Has anyone else tried adding the 55pt Divination Inquisitor to a TFC? I know it doesn't meet the 150pts threshold, but TFCs are already pretty under-costed. Also, twin-linked is especially strong on a barrage weapon, it seems. Furthermore, it adds 3 more toughness 7/3+ cover save wounds to the unit.

The "150pts threshold" refers to BS4 units, and really should be 165 points (three times the cost of the inquisitor).

It doesn't really make sense to talk about it with units that don't roll to hit. That said, it can work. Keep in mind your instant death threshold on that inquisitor, though.

 magodedisco wrote:
Has anyone else tried adding the 55pt Divination Inquisitor to a TFC? I know it doesn't meet the 150pts threshold, but TFCs are already pretty under-costed. Also, twin-linked is especially strong on a barrage weapon, it seems. Furthermore, it adds 3 more toughness 7/3+ cover save wounds to the unit.

I don't think the T7 average holds with a T4 Techmarine and T3 Inquisitor in the mix.

It's artillery. The majority toughness is always taken from the guns.

Edit: Incidentally, it'd still be T7 majority even without this rule. There's one T3, one T4, and one T7 model. No majority exists, so you use the highest of the tied scores.
Edit2: GW uses the word "majority" when "plurality" or "relative majority" is what they meant.

I am definitely planning on putting a div-monkey Inquisitor in with a TFC in my next few games to try it out. Given the importance of the first shot being a hit or at least having a decent scatter, I expect to get well more than 55pts worth of utility out of him (plus servo-skulls, I guess, but that's another matter).

Im getting mine next pay check, two shuld serve nicely TBH, and my empire wizards will work great for them.
Now, I just have to get servo skulls

I'm thinking a div-quisitor would be funny in a unit of 3 quad thudd gun thingys can anybody say "a unit with 12 twin linked barrage shots"?

I'm running bikes and speeder storms. The only static element in my list is tfcs. I'm finding it hard to include an inquisitor to twin link just them. I'll probably be giving it a miss.

How does an inquisitor compare to Tiggy?

Jamo wrote:
I'm running bikes and speeder storms. The only static element in my list is tfcs. I'm finding it hard to include an inquisitor to twin link just them. I'll probably be giving it a miss.

That's not entirely unreasonable, but let me make a counter-argument:

1) On the first turn of the game, it is likely that at least one bike unit will start the turn within 12" of an Inquisitor, allowing them to be twin-linked for their alpha strike if you so desire.

2) Recall that you only cast Prescience once per turn anyway. Having only the TFCs as very good targets isn't such a downside, considering how good a target the TFC is. It sounds like you're running multiple Cannons, so it is even possible that should one die, the Inquisitor will be able to make his way to the other, so he continues to be useful.

3) Don't discount entirely the possibility that your bikes and/or LSSs will be within 12" of the Inquisitor the entire game. Against opponents such as drop pod marines/wolves, you can expect your army to stay near your deployment zone out of necessity, and against armies such as speedy Deamons or Nids, you may find that taking a slightly more defensive posture with your bikes is still preferable.

55 points isn't nothing, so I understand if people don't take them, but I think more and more that an Inquisitor will be worth it.

The 165 point rule applies differently to TFC because they are a barrage weapon and seem undercosted, but are priced appropriately because they are wildly inaccurate especially if there is no LOS.

When buffing a TFC have a plan B in case there are not any really good targets for the TFC to shoot at.

 Tiger9gamer wrote:
How does an inquisitor compare to Tiggy?

They don't. Those are two different kinds of animal right there.

Do the ML1 inquisitors get one or two powers? I mean SW RP gets 2 powers even though he is ML1. I'm guessing only one power?

I don't have access to the supplement. Can inquisitors get an invuln?

Only by buying Terminator armour - shame really and against the fluff :(

Please don't start this again.

Weazel wrote:
Do the ML1 inquisitors get one or two powers? I mean SW RP gets 2 powers even though he is ML1. I'm guessing only one power?

Inquisitors can only buy one mastery level. If they do, they can pick either Psychic Communion (which can't affect units outside their own detachment) or Hammerhand. At deployment, they can choose to give up this power to roll for a single power on Divination, Pyromancy, or Telekinesis.

Rune Priests (like other pre-DA Librarians and the IG Primaris Psyker) get to select two codex powers and may choose to trade both of them at deployment. This is a holdover from 5th edition, and only works this way because the FAQ says so. IIRC, Grey Knight Librarians also have an unusual exception to this that lets them keep Hammerhand when rolling for rulebook powers, but I'm getting off topic.

Jamo wrote:
I don't have access to the supplement. Can inquisitors get an invuln?

Only the Ordo Malleus Inquisitor, and only in the form of Terminator Armor. At 40 points, it's a really sketchy purchase. I wouldn't take it.

Whether that's fluffy or not is an open question, but not really relevant to the tactics forums.

Play tested a quick army out with 2 blobs of 40 guardsmen, 1 with x4 autocannons, and the other with x4 lascannons. I took 2 xeno inquisitor with prescience, 3 servo skulls a piece,and rad grenades. Aside from shadow in the warp hurting me when 2 pods of 2 zoanthropes showed up turn 2 to hurt my psychic powers I would say the inquisitors did an awesome job.

I need to work on placement of my skulls more as I didnt realize my opponent gargoyles moved 12"(idk how i forgot that lol)

When hordes of spawned termagants rushed my defense line my guardsmen jumped right over and enjoyed smiting nids wounding them on 3's...My guys felt partially like marines

Also the firepower the blob continued to put out against anything that came near it was amazing.

I would have to say there is no reason to at least take an inquisitor for blobs of guardsmen, for what I spent the grenades and psychic powers performed greatly and if I would have had better placement of my skulls I probably would have won the game.

Now here is a question with this new inquisitor shenanigans does anyone feel like commissars might get a huge buff in the next IG codex??? For IG the Lord commissar seems only reasonable to take if you have HWS which need a bubble of LD and stubborn and the same goes for those FW gun batteries or whatever they are(idk FW stuff to well). So with that said aside from just trying to be fluffy I feel like gw would really have to buff commissars to really see them come back.

Jamo wrote:
I'm running bikes and speeder storms. The only static element in my list is tfcs. I'm finding it hard to include an inquisitor to twin link just them. I'll probably be giving it a miss.

I've tried adding 2 Div Inquisitors for my 2 TFC in my bike list. I've only played one game with them, but my initial impression is that they are rather disappointing. If the TFCs don't have good targets the affect of the Inquisitors isn't noticeable and it's not often the bikes will also be in range. Further, they make for a vulnerable first blood target that you really didn't have before. You can't even put them in nearby bike squads effectively because of Jink. I really wish the Inquisitors could have either bikes or jumppacks or calv. I'm considering giving them a heavy weapon to be useful on their own, or small henchman squads. Joining them to the TFC seem an okay solution as well, except when the TFC gets assaulted that would mean the Inquisitor is tied up as well.

 tankboy145 wrote:


When hordes of spawned termagants rushed my defense line my guardsmen jumped right over and enjoyed smiting nids wounding them on 3's...My guys felt partially like marines

Also the firepower the blob continued to put out against anything that came near it was amazing.

Why were the guardsmen wounding on 3s?

The terminator armor is really 55 points because who wouldn't buy it without a relentless psycannon fired by a character.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 tankboy145 wrote:


When hordes of spawned termagants rushed my defense line my guardsmen jumped right over and enjoyed smiting nids wounding them on 3's...My guys felt partially like marines

Also the firepower the blob continued to put out against anything that came near it was amazing.

Why were the guardsmen wounding on 3s?

Rad grenades

 pretre wrote:
Rad grenades

If he had only taken hammerhand with one inquisitor, he could have been wounding on 2s!