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For my formation of super heavy tanks I have to add now the next Model.
The plan is to add models build from a baneblade chassis for some variety.

Weapons should be:

*twin demolisher
*Turbo laser destructor
*Inferno cannon
*Apoc missile launcher
*Vulcan megabolter

I could get the shadowswords from FW, but my planned variants ^must be scratchbuild and I am actually not sure
which should be next. Most of them will also have their main gun in the turret.Any thoughts?

well depends on who your versing like nids,orc, ig are swarm over space marines and such.

FlammingGaunt wrote:well depends on who your versing like nids,orc, ig are swarm over space marines and such.

Depends on my opponent? Guess my formation of actually 5 (complete 12) baneblade-sized Tanks is capable of diverse
ways to deal out "some" damage.

Let me explain:

Now ready and painted = 2x baneblade, 1x Stormblade, 1x Stormsword, 1x Hellhammer.
Planned to add = the tanks listed in the poll. Plus 2x Shadowswords.
Result = 12x super heavy tanks.

When a tank is under construction I'll bring him in the forum.

My little question is for advice about the order of my "tankbuilds".

Sadly,I'll have to work for my money to spend on plastic Tanks and cannot do them all at the same time.

OT but, are there rules for a baneblade with apoc launchers? i might build one myself!

Smashotron wrote:OT but, are there rules for a baneblade with apoc launchers? i might build one myself!

You could "lend" the weapon from the Warlord

Apoc rulebook page 124 : Range= guess 24" - 360" S = 7 ap = 3 apocalyptic bombardment template / macroweapon.

I think its possible to take most of the weapons that are available to Warhounds or shouldermounted on Warlords as Main gun for
super heavy tanks. The sponsons will be always from the baneblade (if it makes sense to have sponsons).

I'll try to stick for the statline with the baneblade and take the weapons from Apoc-book.When a baneblade comes for 500 pts and a
warhound for 750,the difference in points I have to add for a weapon-change may be not so much.
Some of my planned tanks may lose their demolisher-cannon and others may get fewer sponsons or none.
To get a first look at points I've thought to use the old "construction rules" from jervis.

I´d say Megabolter first. But that is mostly because I´m considering doing that myself.....

Though the idea of a inferno cannon armed tank does appeal to my pyro side.

Xanthos wrote:I´d say Megabolter first. But that is mostly because I´m considering doing that myself.....

Though the idea of a inferno cannon armed tank does appeal to my pyro side.

And we talk about the big brother of the standard inferno cannon.
The design and rules will come from the warhound weapon.
Look into the apoc-book for it.

After a few days the stormhammer and a megabolter have the lead.

You may imagine the result of my modelling as:

Baneblade variants with weapon exchange for the turret:

vulcan megabolter
Inferno mega cannon

Baneblade variant with different weapon position:

turbo laser destructor => turret or like a shadowsword
apoc missile launcher => flattened chassis with Missile pod

Qestionable weapon position:
stormhammer => epic has 2x twin linked demolisher.
Now I could: place 4 DC in the front,use 2 turrets with a twin DC each,use one big turret(maybe a problematic option);


Now I have my first concept draws done for a stormhammer.Pics will follow.

can you post a pic of your super heavy's?
gotta see this

and im either going for a inferno cannon or an apoc. launcher.

i think a baneblade mounted inferno gun would be all sorts of awsome, especially if it had TL-Multimelta and inferno cannon sponsons.

on the side of the stormhammer,

i remember seeing a picture somewhere in the aether of one that had a TL-battle cannon in the turret and a TL-Battle cannon where the front guns (Demolisher + Tl-Heavy Bolter) would usually be. i cant think of any other way of modeling it without making it looks silly.

JD21290 wrote:and im either going for a inferno cannon or an apoc. launcher.

Either? parallel build two? Sorry one by one.
Actual order (01.09.08): stormhammer/vulcan MB/ApoML/TuLaDe/Inf.

can you post a pic of your super heavy's?
gotta see this

im just a pyro

love the look of that.


also, just an idea here, ever see the hydra tank?
think it would be possible to build on using the blade as a base and 4 basalisk cannons?
just a random idea lol.

Regwon wrote:i think a baneblade mounted inferno gun would be all sorts of awsome, especially if it had TL-Multimelta and inferno cannon sponsons.

I think TL-multimelta is real short-range and not so useful with a slow (6") warmachine.
Inferno cannons may support the "theme" of such a flamy tank.
The inferno-cannon seems to be a subject to changes.Old metal hellhound weapons are not so easy to place in small turrets or the
plastic sponsons.With this weapon I would need to look at FW-models for ideas. :S

on the side of the stormhammer,

i remember seeing a picture somewhere in the aether of one that had a TL-battle cannon in the turret and a TL-Battle cannon where the front guns (Demolisher + Tl-Heavy Bolter) would usually be. i cant think of any other way of modeling it without making it looks silly.

Since I try to stick for the stormhammer with the EPIC datasheet,there may be no battlecannons.
Epic has 2x TL Demolisher (but range 36" not 24").Also uses 4x heavy bolter,which i want to place in sponsons and small turrets.

Have to decide how to place the main guns.
Option 1 is to use the tank like a "sturmgeschütz" (looks like a hunter tank).
Option 2 is to place 2 big Turrets on a platform, slightly diagonal so they can fully rotate and have a more 40k ish look.
Guns in a row as on a navy warship may look like a "Land battleship" but I know this was planned for the Tiger III and the
drawings are bad as was the engine.So no real Tank to steal a 2x turret look from.
With a gun emplacement like a "hunter tank" I could do all 2x 2TL DC as a gunline and use the full range with all 4 DC.

Added concept drawing:

i would say the warship style looks better, not sure if its minor OCD, but it needs to be even
hence why i like skarbrand better than normal thirsters, 2 axes, symetrical lol

The poll moves to the more established Tanks?

I'll try one Tank per weapon config for sure.

Baneblade variant with Vulcan Megabolter as Battletank or a stormlord?

Battletank is easier.Stormlord may need more length,since I've seen the CAD I'm sure most scratchbuild ones will lack mass at the
transport-section.Remember:40 human-sized figs.Land raiders have Max 16 now.Even with the "zipped" space in 40k scale my
Tank must be 3 times larger than a LR.Baneblade chassis don't provide that.

Could combine 2 Blades to make it a little bigger.

Actual Plan of super-heavy formation:

JD21290 wrote:
also, just an idea here, ever see the hydra tank?
think it would be possible to build on using the blade as a base and 4 basilisk cannons?

Hydra = flak tank from FW = 4x long barrel autocannon on a chimera chassis.

Your blade-based AA-tank would be a "super-hydra" then.But what possible threat to shoot at?
20mm autocannon shell vs flyer =>
150mm earthshaker shell vs flyer => who to aim at?
Fast moving autocannon with high firing rate vs slow loading cannon with explosive rounds on a slow moving turret? :S
You need really big fat slow flyers to hit something worthy.

not getting my point
it will look like a hydra, not work as one, i just like the way it ooks, and would like the way it could have 4 earthshaker cannons

JD21290 wrote:not getting my point
it will look like a hydra, not work as one, i just like the way it ooks, and would like the way it could have 4 earthshaker cannons

It will not look like a Hydra.
Earthshakers have no auto-fed like a autocannon.Your tank needs platforms,cranes,elevators for ammo and crew.
Would be a open topped artillery piece. If you could manage to put auto-loaders, (like some Tanks or warship use today)
this would slow down firing rate even more.
Nice look = bad function.

what about the variand in apoc relodet whit out any moddel

hq, i can get round this
i will have to make it now to prove a point

quietus86 wrote:what about the variand in apoc relodet whit out any moddel

The stormlord? Had a few looks into the book (at GD,but Phil kelly was always talkin about orks not much gathered from the book),
the CAD pics were good (front/back/side -view). A stormlord is a option, but I think one baneblade kit is too small for that.
Maybe combine 2 kits to get enough plastic for a size that looks not bad.Most of the scratchbuild I've seen are only good at
their front / gun-emplacement and worse at the transport-section.Not sure if a bigger tank fits into the formation.

If I see fit to bring it as "very big transport" surrounded by battletanks in,a stormlord will be done.

P:S. apoc reloaded is here in germany available sep.20th. With the book in my hands it could be easier to model.

JD21290 wrote:i will have to make it now to prove a point

I'm waiting for your pics.

Weapon loadout for the tanks:

Stormhammer: 2x tl-demolisher, 4x tl-heavy bolter.
=>Uses frontshield (ignore terrain roll) and Combined fire = S10/ap 2/ordnance 10 "/level buildings (taken from vindicator squad)

Blade-variant Apoc ML , 3x tl-heavy bolter.
=> G24-360" /S7 /ap 3 /Apoc barrage / no scatter

Blade-variant Mega inferno cannon, 1x Las cannon, 2x tl-heavy flamer,2x multimelta.
=> Hellstorm /S7 / ap 3/ heavy 1

Blade-variant turbo laser destructor, 1x Demolisher, 2x tl heavy bolter.
=> 96" /titankiller/ap 2 /Heavy 2,blast 5".

Blade variant vulcan megabolter V1 = 3x tl heavy bolter, 2x heavy bolter
" " " " V2 = 2x tl-heavy bolter,2x heavy flamer, transport
=> 60" /S6 /ap 3/heavy 15.

Enough ?

I think 1 plastic bane blade kit wil do has a transport of 40 models and al guns are at the front so the back half is is transport an guns used bij the rideant its a open topped

FWIW, the Epic Stormhammer is 2 turrets with paired Battlecannons (not Demolishers), and 2 sets of sponsons.

In your 5-tank picture, the sponsons on the top-left tank are the same as the Stormhammer.

You would need a new superstructure, removing the hull Heavy Bolter and Demolisher cannon, and replacing with stepped mounts for a pair of "small" turrets.

I say inferno cannon S7 AP3 and NO cover saves with a HUGE template is awsome. Especially in 5th ed where most things get a cover save.

quietus86 wrote:I think 1 plastic bane blade kit wil do has a transport of 40 models and al guns are at the front so the back half is is transport an guns used bij the rideant its a open topped

You think I should use GW's view at transport-capacity vs number/size of models?
I know the Land raider will not be bigger even with more allowed Marines in it.

The stormlord is IIRC to 60% transport with the engine moved from its location at Baneblades.
Maybe I can get the chassis 20% longer and use a lower gun-emplacement and a turret.

JohnHwangDD wrote:FWIW, the Epic Stormhammer is 2 turrets with paired Battlecannons (not Demolishers), and 2 sets of sponsons.

In your 5-tank picture, the sponsons on the top-left tank are the same as the Stormhammer.

You would need a new superstructure, removing the hull Heavy Bolter and Demolisher cannon, and replacing with stepped mounts for a pair of "small" turrets.

More info always appreciated.Thanks john.

I took my view of the stormhammer from Epic Armageddon.No pics but a statline: 2x tl-demolisher (ignores cover)+ 4x Heavy bolter.

Changed the "ignores cover" to a more fitting rule for a storm-tank.With battlecannons there is a rivalry to a baneblade. :S

The new superstructure is needed for every variant I have thought of,so no extra work.
If not sure ,I could do one "epic pattern" stormhammer and make the other variant later.

smart_alex wrote:I say inferno cannon S7 AP3 and NO cover saves with a HUGE template is awsome. Especially in 5th ed where most things get a cover save.

This gets only hotter with the available range of 18"

1hadhq wrote:More info always appreciated.Thanks john.

I took my view of the stormhammer from Epic Armageddon.No pics but a statline: 2x tl-demolisher (ignores cover)+ 4x Heavy bolter.

Changed the "ignores cover" to a more fitting rule for a storm-tank.With battlecannons there is a rivalry to a baneblade. :S

The new superstructure is needed for every variant I have thought of,so no extra work.
If not sure ,I could do one "epic pattern" stormhammer and make the other variant later.

Hmm... Epic Armageddon took the Stormhammer down a peg. The original Stormhammer Epic 40k (also Final Liberation game) is:

- 2 twin-linked Battlecannons
- 4 sponsons each with Lascannon and twin Heavy Bolters

Basically, it has the firepower of 2 Baneblades on a single chassis. You can concentrate a *lot* of firepower in a small place.

If playing Final Liberation, slots that don't go to Warlord Titans should go to Stormhammers, before buying any Deathstrike Missiles or Bombards!

Which is probably why they were powered down for E:A.

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Oh, yeah. Search eBay / Specialist Games. I'm sure you can find a picture of a Stormhammer, as GW actually made models for these.