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I think everyone should make a point to read these posts.

http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/2008/11/baltimore-gt.html

http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/2008/11/cheating.html

http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/2008/11/dice-size-cheating.html


These posts are right on, and it's a disgrace to the community.

Discuss. Till they lock it.

Stelek will never lock it - it's his site you're linking to!

That said, it's weak sauce that these people have to resort to blatant cheating to win.

IMO, if GW would just have the stones to eject and perma-ban a couple cheaters at each event, it'd do wonders for the community.

Wow 15 years of playing this game. For the most part I have stayed away from the majority of forums. Than I see stuff posted like this and I remember again why I stayed away. Seek therapy. There are some serious anger managment issues that need to be resolved if you are that concerned about this stuff. Its just a game.

this thread is going to flameville, population: us

biztheclown wrote:http://yesthetruthhurts.blogspot.com/2008/11/dice-size-cheating.html

This one is just ridiculous and a bunch of QQ'ing.

And this is neither News, nor Rumors.

Please post things in appropriate sections.

Sending to Dakka Discussions

My roomate is a bit paranoid, and he's long had complaints about dice rolling, so it's not just from one source.

I think there are some games that can be played to gain a statistical advantage. I don't know to what extent they occur, as I do not have a network of spies or a photographic memory, but I know they are both possible and difficult to detect.

I am glad someone posted this.

I agree people need to take chill pills and enjoy the game...

BUT NOT AT TOURNAMENTS FFS!

This is where the nest of the best are supposed to be.

This is why steroids is illegal in professional sports, gives an unfair advatage compared to those who play naturally.

Pathetic if you ask me...

my lucky dice are black squared edged small chessex dice :(

You can't even buy them anymore.

I used big dice.....and I placed in the bottom 10. My cunning plan did not work....

I used to use big black vegas dice with the sharp edges. I rolled them as normal... Not pressing together as was mentioned in the blog. If anyone wants them I would be more than glad to give them away for free because they really suck when I used them... They weren't just a little bit bad... They were horrid.

If you see someone holding their dice together and dumping them on the table then grow some balls and call them it. Two years ago GW took someone's dice and dumped them in a bucket of water to see if they were weighted. So obviously GW does not condone this type of cheating with dice.

Well you that if Stelek is posting about Baltimore he is hard up for any attention he can muster. He wasn't there and is only posting rumors. It's pretty lame to say the least. In fact anyone who was not there is and spouting off about it is also helping to spread the rumors. There have been various accounts of what happened and many of them just don't match up. This is what they call a character assassination. It's quite petty people hiding behind the Internet without the balls to say or identify who they really are. The accused has given his name in public on this forum... That is a lot more than you can say for any of his anon accusers. I think there should be accountability on the Internet. The Internet should not be a place for arm chair generals to safely attack others while hiding their true identity.

Before you chime in why not do the following:

State who you are, verify if you were present at the Ard Boyz event and tell us if you are simply repeating what you heard. If you were there and saw something that looked fishy did you talk to the accused for his side of the story? I doubt it, I really doubt it. It's a case of sour grapes and unfortunately people are safe to slander others in an all out hate campaign. Sad really.

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at baltimore I carefully stacked and rolled all 68 big dice when my berzerkers charged lysander in game 4. I am sure most people at baltimore heard my opponent as i ended up causing 19 wounds to him with my crafty cheating dice.

it is all sour grapes.
I had a great time and would gladly play any of the top players. they win because they are smart. they don't cheat

I wasn't at 'Ard Boyz, but...

If somebody is deliberately using undersized bases to gain tactical advantage...

If somebody is working the referees to get a ruling that goes counter to their Codex...

And they go on to "win" the event...

I'd call Shenanigains!

BTW, the die-rolling thing isn't too hard: bring a dice tower, or a tray and only accept dice from the tower or in the tray.

It seems that Biz is somewhat paranoid about having his post locked...

Cheating is one of the mayor things that gives competative players a bad name and makes pepole not go to tournaments. This is something that should be fought and punished really hard because in the end it is what makes tournaments so small, when there are so many players around really.

This is either if you are using low handed dice throws(wich are illgeal in almost all casinos in the world for a reason), creative modelling, messuring "wrong" in your favour, working the judges.. or claiming a judge ruled your way without actually have gotten the ruling.. Or any of about a 1000 ways you can cheat.

Whats really saddening to see is the lax attitude from pepole in responsible positions, orginizers or GW spokespersons. Sure, it will be an unpleasant buissness but the consequences of letting such a person keep his "win"and be allowed to participate in more competitions is alot worse, it actually drives pepole away. Banning them and stripping them of their achivements is the only way and is the way its handled in other sports, but here for some reason the excuse is usually "Its just a game".

If anyone wants them I would be more than glad to give them away for free because they really suck when I used them... They weren't just a little bit bad... They were horrid.

Yea I remember those in the Chicago GT of 2007. You couldn't hit or hurt my rhinos with your rockets. An you did always pick them up and shake them when you used them.

I was recentetly at a tournament were the year before I played a guy who had dice with only 4,5, and 6 on them. So this year the guys at the tournament said that you had to share your dice. So if your opponent wanted to roll or use your dice he could. This would totally fix any problems with that. Also what does the size of a base matter? I mean common the tournaments are for fun and to get a challenge. But if somebody has to make there base a different size to gain some tacital advantage the I say let them. I will make my defeat of you all the more sweeter. LOL

So next time you go to a tournament just say to your opponent "Hey man. There has been so crazy stuff going around about dice rolling and people having "fixed dice" so if you want to use my dice at any point in the game then go for it."

Otherwise you guys should stop whinning about this stupid crap. "cheaters never prospire" So if he cheated so what. Look to yourself and your own Integrity.

I say congratulatoins to the Wrecking Crew. Apparently they have figured out a formula for success in the 40k world. I would love to get an opportunity to play some of those guys in a tournament. I always love to look for the next challenge.

Well, he's had 2 similar posts locked already. With all likelihood, this will be locked by Monday, too.

Good.

corwindal5 wrote:

Otherwise you guys should stop whinning about this stupid crap. "cheaters never prospire" So if he cheated so what. Look to yourself and your own Integrity.

I say congratulatoins to the Wrecking Crew. Apparently they have figured out a formula for success in the 40k world. I would love to get an opportunity to play some of those guys in a tournament. I always love to look for the next challenge.

WTF!, So you are congratulating them for gaming the system and cheating to win?

Then have have the nerve to tell us to shut up and mind are own business?

Dude i that is all you got from that then well.......ok. I am not congratulating anyone for cheating. I am saying that without valid proof all you are is making yourself look bad. You are also makeing yourself look ignorant. All this stuff is just stupid. Thats all I have to say about that.

Cheating in games is a legitimate topic of discussion.

As long as the thread does not become a flamefest or an accusation against specific individuals, I see no reason to lock it.

Dakka is not a court of gamer justice. It can't take evidence, make a judgement and hand down a sentence.

I realise feelings run high on the subject. Even so, players cannot hope to come to Dakka and have a trial of specific allegations of cheating.

It is more constructive to look at ways of preventing cheating -- for example, rules about rolling, standardised dice and dice cups in tournaments.

Any good size tournament could have a couple of bricks of custom dice made up by Chessex and give them away as part of the entry fee. Cheap picnic plastic cups could be provided to all tables for rattling the dice. A simple set of dice rules could be put into the entry pack and FAQ.

There was another thread a few weeks back about good and bad dice rolling practices. How about making an Article out of that?

Kallbrand wrote:Cheating is one of the mayor things that gives competative players a bad name and makes pepole not go to tournaments.

Spoken like a true example of someone who's never been to a GT level event.

While cheating may be an issue, knowledge of the rules (including enemy codexes) is generally enough to protect onself from cheating at an event.

I've been going to GT's since '97 or so and while I've encountered A-hole players, some of which would 'stretch' the rules, I've never encountered a blatant cheater dice or otherwise. I'm not so dense as not to notice it either. (on dice I mean)

This is not to say that it never happens! However, in 10+ years of hitting 2+ GT level events a year I havent encountered it personally in any of my own games. Any accusations of competative players being cheaters or having a "bad name" are completely unfounded, and people not going to tournements to avoid cheating probably have some other reason for not going....avoidance of cheating isnt a reason for not going.

The issue of cheating simply isnt that big a problem, its probably about as big as theft in the hall of ones models. Does it happen? Yes, on some seldom occasions it might. Is it something to be fearful of? Not really. Vigilance is protection enough.

I was at Baltimore and the loudest scuttlebutt of cheating is now, almost a week after the event, online. I didnt hear anything about it during the tournement accept from a certain Dark Eldar player that played in the 'Ard Boyz (and we've all heard this story by now) when we were all getting loaded in the hotel room after gaming was over. One side of the story, perhaps he was cheated, perhaps there was a misunderstanding where he felt cheated.

I think its a problem, I just dont think its a BIG problem at major events.

(Of course, I'm in the Wrecking Crew however, so I'm a dirty cheater anyway I guess.)

biztheclown has an axe to grind against the WC because one of our members crushed him in the final round of the gladiator at Adepticon this year and he was going into it tied for 1st place. Petty. Very petty.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:biztheclown has an axe to grind against the WC because one of our members crushed him in the final round of the gladiator at Adepticon this year and he was going into it tied for 1st place. Petty. Very petty.

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There's always a bigger fish.

yes it was a bitter pill indeed.



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The winner of 'Ard Boyz admitted he cheated. He pleaded ignorance. It was pathetic to witness the amount of people on this forum who defended him.

he did not admit to cheating.... There was confusion on the rules for DoW due to a semi finals ruling.

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Nothing to see here, move along.

The winner admitted that he did not divide his army; he admitted to using smaller bases. There is some dispute about if he actually set 2 troops and 1 hq on the table. Give the facts and the posts of the winner himself, GW be thankful they are not facing litigation.