Witch Hunters Stormtrooper Army

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**VictorVonTzeentch**

I think this is the right place for this it is after all "Modeling and Painting"

Okay so earlier I had an idea for my second army, since a Tau Apocalypse Game only XV-8 group doesn't count apparently, a Witch Hunter Stormtrooper Army where the Inquisitor would be modeled to look like a member of the Gestapo, with brown trench coat, fedora, red arm band with the Inquisition's emblem in it. While the Stormtroopers would be painted to look like they were from one of many SS Divisions like the LAH, Viking and maybe have their Hellguns made to look like Stg44s. A friend of mine also thinks that I would need Rhino transports modded to look like Sd.Kfz. 251s. So I was wondering if the Gestapo/SS thing has been used to much on with the Inquisition and what people's thoughts and/or ideas on how to make it work are. This would be different from my Space Marines only have slight modifications and even then only on a couple models where as with this a lot more might need to be modified.

**Chrysaor686**

I'm just really curious...

Why...would you do that?

Be prepared to be labeled as TFG.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Because I think the Gestapo would be a nice theme for the Witch Hunters.

Label me as TFG if you will, but I think it would have a good look to it, I'm not condoning the SS or Gestapo I just think they'd work as a theme.

**Orkeosaurus**

Take Inquisitor Lord Karamazov, and put a tiny mustache on him.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Just not a good idea.

Whatever your politics I would certainly look askew at ANYONE who spend hudreds of dollars and hours of work to make a bunch of toy Nazis.

**Alpharius**

AS others have said, it is a bad idea.

The Imperium is rather close to 'that look' as it is.

Call it close enough and leave those particular demons unsummoned.

**LunaHound**

I love the striking SS color scheme too but i wouldnt go so far as adding any nazi icon ... If anything i would mask that part.

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**JohnHwangDD**

I'd recommend *against* bringing Nazis into 40k.

1. Not cool.
2. Not creative.
3. Not funny.

Try again, please.

**nealtk**

IMO people need to get over it. I have seen tastefully done communist and nazi imperial guard armies.

**CENArtDamage**

I recall him saying it was using the INQUISITION seal. Not swastika. That would mean that this is an army BASED ON, but not actually a nazi regime. As long as he doesn't go ahead and do things like draw little Hitler mustaches on units, and clearly makes them bearing 40k iconography and none of the more sinister real-life logos, this is fine.

**Aerion**

On one hand, I think it's just asking for trouble.

On the other, I can't abide censorship. And I don't believe anyone has the right to NOT be offended by something. It's your army. Just be prepared to find some doors slammed in your face.

**yeofooz**

I have a suggestion

Essentially you want an Imperial Guard army that looks like and reflects the imposing nature of the SS (which actually fits into the Witch hunter aspect of the Inquisition)
The best thing that I believe you can do is to essentially have a witch hunter commandeering that Imperial Guard army which trains future commissars. Your army would essentially look like an army of commissars, imposing and dark with the long trenchcoats
As long as you don't paint on swastikas or the red arm bands over black uniforms, I don't see why there should be a problem with your army.
This way you can have your SS inspired army but not be crossing any lines.

I play WW2 games as the Wehrmacht and SS but that doesn't reflect my beliefs

Just remember, no swastikas, red bands or white robed cultists
if your opponent feels uncomfortable playing an army like this, thentake it inot account
Warhammer 40k is just a game but we all need to be sensitive about issues like this

**Leigen_Zero**

I also cannot see the problem with this army, I know he has said he is making a 'gestapo/ss witch hunters army' but what exactly would be offensive about stormtroopers in black trenchcoats and bowl-shaped helmets? I mean look at DKoK, i agree that so long as BrotherStynier doesn't start slapping blatant iconography around and have a certain mono-testicled faschist dictator as a senior officer leading it then where exactly is the offence, its just stormtroopers in shiny black trenchcoats.

personally i find the look of trenchcoated guard cool, would like to see where you go with this

**somecallmeJack**

heh, 'a certain mono-testicled fascist dictator', I just had this image of hitler riding a giant robot spider at the head of his space-nazis.

In seriousness though, I like the idea very much. I dont think anyone would be bothered as long as you copied only the uniforms & not the iconography. I love the idea of an inquisitor in a fedora.

**JohnHwangDD**

Aerion wrote:On one hand, I think it's just asking for trouble.

On the other, I can't abide censorship. And I don't believe anyone has the right to NOT be offended by something. It's your army. Just be prepared to find some doors slammed in your face.

Exactly.

It's your army, you can do what you like.

But if I were the Owner or TO, you wouldn't be playing something offensive like that in my store or in my tournament. That's because it'd be my store and my tournament, and the world doesn't revolve around you.

**Crimson4Lyfe**

I think as long as you dot put a red arm band you'll be fine Ohh and no swastikas either

**KingCracker**

wow talk about a bunch of panzies. He didnt say "hey im a new found socialist and my way of saying Hitler was Boss, is by honoring him with a Nazi Witch Hunters army" now did he? I totally see where hes getting the inspiration from. Do I really need to make some quick comparisons? I didnt think so.
ANYWAYS to the OP I think its a good idea really. Not only that but personally I think it will look cool as hell on the table. Good luck on there. I know theres a few bitz sites that sell weapons and such from that period in time that will fit 40k scale. If not the kraut weapon your looking for possibly some converted AK-47s could look the part. show some pics when you make some progress

**gerilla_93**

seriously... ok i am a bit of a fanatic about reading about the wars and such but...it's history...
everyone seems so over the top nervous when you mention the ss or germans at all...
think it would look great if you do it tastefully, that means no redarmbands, swasticas and such...
//J

**alarmingrick**

sorry, got to go with the "stay the hell away from this idea" crowd.
there are so many other directions you could go, imho. hell use the
color scheme if you want, but leave the rest of that crap behind.

**Antonin**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Aerion wrote:On one hand, I think it's just asking for trouble.

On the other, I can't abide censorship. And I don't believe anyone has the right to NOT be offended by something. It's your army. Just be prepared to find some doors slammed in your face.

Exactly.

It's your army, you can do what you like.

But if I were the Owner or TO, you wouldn't be playing something offensive like that in my store or in my tournament. That's because it'd be my store and my tournament, and the world doesn't revolve around you.

Why? Would you exclude all Flames of War games also? They revolve around one player playing the Wehrmacht.

I personally would not put any nazi iconography on them. Also remember - you cannot, cannot act in character.

**Doctor Thunder**

On the one hand, it's completely ridiculous for people who normally relish something as dark as 40K fluff to object to people making nazi themed armies.

On the other hand, it is pointless to try and get them to change their views.

BrotherStynier, it's better to turn on a light then curse the darkness. If you keep the paint scheme but loose the armbands and avoid the swastika you should be able to sneak in under the radar.

**pavonis**

Personally, I don't think it is a good idea to go into that grey area. But if you really feel that strongly, go for it, just understand that tournament organizers may ask you not to play. I've never played at a GT, but I hear they are more strict about these types of things. And understand you may offend people and some people may choose not to play you in friendly games.
I do agree, however, that their uniforms are really sharp.

**Delephont**

Genocide, dictatorship, Superior Humans, work camps / slavery......I'd say the WH40K Imperium is based on the ideals of Nazi Germany.....

I don't belive the OP can win this one! Sure, he could bury his head in the sand like alot of others and try to ignore the direct comparrisons and hints, or he could embrace it and bring it to the fore....either choices could be wrong.

First and foremost....its a game! So treat it as such. Playing a Nazi based Imperial Army is no better or worse than playing any number of WWII based games where one player takes on the persona of the Nazi forces.....

**smiling Assassin**

If I was going to do an army based on The German Special Forces during The Second World War, I would refrain from calling it a "Nazi" Army.

What you're labelling any reference to the Wehrmacht as "yh nazii" is offensive to me also. If you choose to label an army as "Nazi" simply because of its uniform or colouring, you don't deserve the prerogatives of free speech. I admit, putting a Honking huge Swastika on a Red Armband would be offensive.

But, to take a leaf from my inspiration a-la-Warseer, sheep:

I know this will make them look like SS Troopers. I don't care.

~sA

**yani**

IMO it fits with the background and the feel as the WH40k universe contains far worse attrocities than any the Nazis committed eg exterminatus. However unlike 40k they were real and as such people are worried about overt nazi references. If you were british i would suggest creating an inquisitor in the style of hitler but making him look utterly stupid like http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/?p=4021 but as ur american and as such have a less sarcastic sense of humor then i would avoid doing this army altogether although if you modeled them as nazis but then painted them like the tecnicolour dreamcoat it would be funny

**Railguns**

Part of the reason that such "atrocities" that people use as justification for nazi armies exist in the background is because IT ISN"T REAL. This is a science fantasy game. The descriptions of the terrible acts the Imperium commits exists to, on one side, imprint upon you how the game designers want you to feel about a faction. On the other side, it exists as a means for people to control the evil in our past by cartooning it. When you openly violate that control, aware or not, you become TFG.

Use the color scheme if it affects the impression you want. This is part of Warhammer 40k. But really, if you want people to respect you don't actually use the Nazi or SS symbology. Just accept that you will become the TFG if you do this.

**WaaaaghLord**

people play SS armies in historical games dont they? i fail to see the difference

**aunshova**

It's your money, your models do what you want with them.

Sooner or later people will have to learn the difference between little plastic dudes and mass murdering dick heads.

I honestly don't see why people get in to such a huff about nazi-esk armies. The only thing I see wrong wit them is they are about as original as the Ultramarines.

The Soviets killed millions of their own and I never here anyone complain when facing a Valhallan guard army.

Taliban kill dozens of their own people and no one gets miffed against someone using Tallarn.

The fact that we play a game where the fluff clearly states that there are constant genocides of all races just makes all arguments about "bad-guy" themed armies moot.

**Gabe**

I say go for it, depending on how open your local group is.

Around here, we have a space marine player that painted all of his marines german grey, and put iron crosses and swastikas on every marine/vehicle. Guess what? Noone has been offended yet. He was a marine, and now works for one of the local fire departments - he is a patriot, and simply thinks the german theme looks cool on his marines.