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Saturday was Ghengis Con, the largest tourney in CO. The Wrecking Crew attended in force. One member took Nob Bikers. He took them as practice not concerned about the overall.

First round, the TO approached him and told him flat out, he didnt care what his opponents scored him for theme or comp, he was going to mark him 0's. This already was a moment of contention. After his first game, he tabled his opponent. He expected to recieve full bonuses for it, but the TO hurried over to tell him no he didnt. His opponent marked him full for theme and half for comp, scores he wasnt going to recieve.

Game 2 was against a fellow WC member, who won the tourney. The player with the Nobs won with a minor victory and recieved top marks in theme and medium in comp. The TO said he wouldnt give him those points unless his opponents would come up and argue. Well his opponents did, and he was denied.

Final round he matched up against shooty Tzeentch demons on the only board with Buildings having more than 1 floor. The TO expressly told him that he purposely did it so he would lose. His opponent for the match was a friend of mine, a good player, and merely a pawn it seemed. The mission was KPs and it was annouced that they would be percentage based. The game ends 4-8 in the favor of the Nobs, a massacre by GT standards. Since it was percentage based the math had the demons with a 3.6% advantage. A tie, right? No, a lose, the TO declared that there would be no margin for a tie.

After some remarks and protests from the other players his scores were "released".

Was the TO in his right or is this an abuse of power. Note that all said is true not heresay.

Also the largest transgression (which has only a few facts to support) was the lose of player's choice. Virtually half the hall declared they had voted for the nobs and the prize did not go to them, nor the amazingly painted exodite eldar.

That is some straight BS.

Guess WC knows that Ghengis Con is off limits now....due to douchebaggetry.

Who was running the bikers Dave? And who won overall?

This sounds awful , the TO needs to explain his actions.

whats wrong with Nob bikers btw?

By the way, the TO made a brief public appology by awarding him the "Thanks for not punching me in the face" award

Wow, what a load of crap. Huge fething douche right there.

I don't see the problem. If you go to a tournament, you play by the tournament organizer's rules, and according to the organizer's discretion.

Wow, what the hell.

I don't like nob biker lists either, but damn.

Nurglitch wrote:I don't see the problem. If you go to a tournament, you play by the tournament organizer's rules, and according to the organizer's discretion.

WTF? You're kidding right? This is a TOURNEMENT.

What kind of rules are "I dont care what everyone else scores you, I'm zeroing you just because...."

Obvious trolling here.

Nurglitch wrote:I don't see the problem. If you go to a tournament, you play by the tournament organizer's rules, and according to the organizer's discretion.

What rules? I didn't know "I don't like your army, so I'm gonna be a dick to you all day" was a rule.

Nurglitch wrote:I don't see the problem. If you go to a tournament, you play by the tournament organizer's rules, and according to the organizer's discretion.

So on that note, it was OK to ruin the event for a player that drove nearly 2 hours and had to pay 40 buck to get in.


One final note. The TO won the same tourney 2 years prior with Big Bugs.

It's like inviting 20 people over to your house for a party, and then saying that instead of having a party they're all going to have to help you write a paper or leave.

It's within your rights to do so (and they'll probably just leave, as I would if I had brought the biker nobs), but it's stupid and anti-social, and there's no excuse for it. No one who goes to a 40k tournament expects the TO to come in and try and screw them over while their opponent's are having a good time.

Thats complete BS and that TO should be ashamed of himself for straight up ruining someone's time and fun at the tournament.

Simple solution: don't play in that tournament anymore. If the TO is a douchebag, then people will stop playing in his tournies.

The TO could've at least made it clear that if you brought an extreme power list that you wouldn't be elligible for anything. Then the Nob Biker guy wouldn't have wasted his time, or at least brought another army.

But as it stands, this is ridiculous. Absolutely. Bending rules, and gearing games towards a loss, just because some douchebag has probably had some bad experiences with a list? He's damn right for awarding that "Thanks for not punching me in the face", because I sure as hell would've.

I'd probably have more fun burning that $40, than wasting my time with this crap. Thanks for letting me know not to attend this tournament.

Darkness wrote:
One final note. The TO won the same tourney 2 years prior with Big Bugs.

So wait, he entered his own tournament and won?

If the TO wanted opponents to score the rounds, then he should have just left it
at that rather than go out of his way to 0 score the guy.

Sidstyler wrote:

Darkness wrote:
One final note. The TO won the same tourney 2 years prior with Big Bugs.

So wait, he entered his own tournament and won?

Sounds like before he became the current TO, that he brought a cheesy list himself to that tournament 2 years ago.

Sidstyler wrote:

Darkness wrote:
One final note. The TO won the same tourney 2 years prior with Big Bugs.

So wait, he entered his own tournament and won?

No, he won it two years ago. Another person ran it then.

The Big Bug note was for his views with xtreme lists

That's one of the most heinous things I've ever heard.

Did he run just the tournament, or the entire convention?

If just the tournament, you should definitely talk to the convention organizers about this to make sure that he doesn't run any more events.

Yikes.

The conventio is huge. 4 days and everything from historical to larping. He was just the TO for the 40k event.

From what you've said it sounds pretty bad. If a TO has an issue with certain combos, army lists, or people, he should explain those issues up front, in the flier for the tournament.

I wonder what his point of view was? I've been to quite a few tournies, the people running them are volunteers, doing it so that other people have a good time. I've never had an issue like this, so it's very surprising.

Well, I was tempted once upon a time to tamper with player scores when I worked Conflict London.

One of the players was playing the Min-Max Nid army of numbing inevitability. Not only this, but he just plain got up my nose. Over eager to know his placing, bullied his way to the front of the queue to drop his latest result off....

I didn't in the end, but his smug grin as he collected his trophy churned my gut. Not a pleasent player....

I don't get why the TO started the problems in the first place- did he come out and say, "You've got an OP army, so suck", or was there some history between he and the Nob player? I definitely agree he's a tool, just wondering why he'd ruin the rep of his tourney over army compisition.

No history, just a friendly rivarly between Denver gamers and Colorado Springs gamers. The Nob player always wins Players choice and/or Sportsman if if he doesnt win overall with his nurgle to virtually all events in CO.

and this is a example of the problems we might see with the circuit this year. this event isnt on it but GW seems to be going to the let's let the majority of events be run for us(smart and saves money) but it has the potential to have gak like this happen

I cant believe someone did this gak to kenny(he got a best sport award at his first GT) and he looks like a cage fighter. great opponent who looks like he could thump you if he gets mad

this TO is an idiot( kenny should have seen if he wanted to do the man dance or give him back his money)

Darkness wrote:No history, just a friendly rivarly between Denver gamers and Colorado Springs gamers. The Nob player always wins Players choice and/or Sportsman if if he doesnt win overall with his nurgle to virtually all events in CO.

Is it the WC label? Anytime I read about WC on the forums, it's never a fan so to speak (Not stating I agree, hell I don't know any of them...just an observance). And it's 'Tournament' Shane

Yikes about the TO though, pretty over the top.

As the organizer, if you want to handicap or exclude specific lists, races, or tactics, be explicit about it up front. Changing the rules, or introducing new rules after everyone shows up is a bad idea and just an example of poor sportsmanship.

Darkness, sounds more like an unfriendly rivalry. I don't think that con would ever have my money again. I'd let the con staff know that that kind of crap was going on. That way they don't let him run anything again.

A good example of the rivarly is myself and Damian Garcia(Augustus on Dakka). We always trash talk, but love the opportunity to play each other and exchange advice. Damian is the unofficial leader of the elite Denver crowd and Kenny, as Stormboy99 has revealed his name, the leader for the WC in CO.