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nekooni wrote:

 nudibranch wrote:
Wait wait, I can now run a unit of 100 DCA/crusaders/flahellants?? What the what???
(I kinda want to run a unit of 100 crusaders now as the ultimate tarpit.)

How, exactly? I mean, 10 each still totals at 30 plus 12 melee-equipped Acolytes, but 100?

On the transports: Doesn't the formation say that all models are Faction Inquisition or something along those lines? Shouldn't that clearly override the more general FAQ rule?

That being said the Navy formation is - thanks to the FAQ - awesomely stupid. A transport that's apparently only able to transport a single model into battle.

New formation: Ecclisarchy Battle Conclave. 1 Ministorum Priest or Uriah Jacobus. 3-10 units in any combination of Arco-flagellants, Crusaders or Death Cult Assassins. All models in the Formation form a single unit, and all models get the Shield of Faith rule.

 pretre wrote:

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Going by that, if you wanted to have a Land Raider that had both Crusader AND normal weapon options plus an upgrade sprue you'd be paying £65.50.

Suddenly £48 seems really fething good.

Doesn't give me any extra models to use though. If I want crusader I get the crusader box.

Don't have particular use for the extra guns. Not good enough scratch builder to build extra hull.

Deathwatch land raider is still just one model you are pushing around. Usually I know which land raider I want when I buy the model.

Jetbikes and Bikes, Warwalkers, etc.

Vanguard Veterans, flamers of tzeentch. There's plenty of examples.

Last time I checked I can get no jetbikes, warwalkers, vanguard veterans or flamers of tzeentch in any land raider box so not sure why bring those up to post about land raider.

"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

First of all: Yes, they should have access but I don't think it's very important nor makes or breaks Inquisition as a faction or the Codex: Imperial Agents as a book. Which I've already said. I've never suggested that they are walking force shield generators or would become ones if granted an invuln save. I've said that, judging by how essential some people think an invuln save is to an Inquisitor that one could think they are walking force shield generators, and thus wouldn't work or be playable at all without it (as a shield g enerator without a shield is pointless). I think Inquisitors - and the Codex: Imperial Agents - do not loose their right to exist just because Inquisitors don't have access to an Invuln save.

Right so they should have them - we agree - good.

If you actually read other people posts, No one said you could not play Inquisitors without them what we actually we said they should have them because its a sensible option and it fits the fluff. You then starting going on about shield generators which you repeat above which has not bearing on anything and implied that we somehow were deathstar power gaming or something which made no sense.

We repeatedly said that this was not the make or break point of the codex but was just one of the many failures within it. Bt you kept hapring on as if we were saying it was amake or break point which we NEVER said - just that it was

1) stupid not to allow a invlun
2) Against the lore
3) symptomatic of the lack of effort in putting this together.

As I've already answered I was under the impression that DCAs as Squads are a new thing. See above - SoB aren't an army of mine yet, so I'm not THAT familiar with the rules. My mistake.

Yep - as has been clearly established there are significant downsides to this new official dex, most notably the removal of the signature Special Character as an option in exchange for two rather pathetic detachments - one of which is clearly intended to give other Imperial Armies cheap access to Priests for deathstars. Its a shame and again points to lack of effort or interest.

The Navy stuff isn't ever part of the Inquisitorial Formation from what I can tell - and we haven't seen the Detachment that's attached to it, have we?
The other possible way to get a Valkyrie would be as a DT for e.g. the Acolytes, and that would be of the same faction as the Acolytes for sure.
*edit* Well, now that we KNOW that Valks are a DT, we can rest this issue, can't we?

Nope - because RAW they can't even start the game aboard them - hopefully this will be FAQed but currently its arguable if even the unit that buys them as DT can start in them, never mind the Inquisitor! What everyone is saying they should have done was made everything in this book Imperial Agents Faction - then there was no issue. But they didn't because?

 reds8n wrote:
"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

Ok that confuses things even more !! Interesting about the new Canoness and Prescion shots - can vehicles have them - either way its a little bit of good news!

Good catch! That might be the confirmation of a Sisters of Battle codex.

 reds8n wrote:
"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

I was thinking the same until I saw that it was only the models special rules they were referring to. The digital and CIA both have the rules so I wouldn't look too much into this unfortunately.

I wont be surprised if a seperate codex comes Q1 2017

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

I was thinking the same until I saw that it was only the models special rules they were referring to. The digital and CIA both have the rules so I wouldn't look too much into this unfortunately.

Aren't the rules different, though? Acts of Faith changed, I thought.

 reds8n wrote:
"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

The e-dex is called Codex: Adepta Sororitas though - it already is the 'other book'.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
"Codex: Adepta Sororitas OR Codex: Imperial Agents...."

.... wait....

.. does that mean there's a separate book coming ?

I was thinking the same until I saw that it was only the models special rules they were referring to. The digital and CIA both have the rules so I wouldn't look too much into this unfortunately.

Aren't the rules different, though? Acts of Faith changed, I thought.

The only special rules not listed with the Veridyan is Shield of Faith and Martyrdom, those didn't change afaik.

terry wrote:
I wont be surprised if a seperate codex comes Q1 2017

I would be.

i think the next quarter is going to be much more chaotic than anything else.

The e-dex is called Codex: Adepta Sororitas though - it already is the 'other book'

Probably that then -- if they update the digital edition then we'll know.

.... presumably they'd have to remove the Saint from the e-version at the same time ?

So just making sure since it wasn't clarified Cortez still perils on any doubles when using sanctic demonology?

Here's a rules question. The Canoness AoF gives Hatred, what happens if you activated it after the first round of combat?
Lets say the Faith Test failed or you simply didn't do it when you or your opponent charged. So what happens if you activated it during the second/later turn of combat?

Afaik it does absolutely nothing...

Just read through the leaked pages someone posted on imgur.

I have little interest on either SoB or Inquisition, but the Legion of the Damned detachment is simple and its command benefit very useful.
While it is sad to see that the Legionnaire Sergeant can no longer take combi weapons, the command benefit more than compensates for it.
Now I can wipe away the dust on my LotD squad in the shelf and use it more often.

 reds8n wrote:

Probably that then -- if they update the digital edition then we'll know.

.... presumably they'd have to remove the Saint from the e-version at the same time ?

Doesn't that seem like something that would cause some PR problems for GW? Updating a digital codex by removing information? When the updated Ghaz book came out, did it remove the Green Tide?

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
Just read through the leaked pages someone posted on imgur.

I have little interest on either SoB or Inquisition, but the Legion of the Damned detachment is simple and its command benefit very useful.
While it is sad to see that the Legionnaire Sergeant can no longer take combi weapons, the command benefit more than compensates for it.
Now I can wipe away the dust on my LotD squad in the shelf and use it more often.

Do you have a link?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
Just read through the leaked pages someone posted on imgur.

I have little interest on either SoB or Inquisition, but the Legion of the Damned detachment is simple and its command benefit very useful.
While it is sad to see that the Legionnaire Sergeant can no longer take combi weapons, the command benefit more than compensates for it.
Now I can wipe away the dust on my LotD squad in the shelf and use it more often.

Do you have a link?

Here you go.

http://imgur.com/a/nXw9C

Hm. Now I'm trying to think - does the formation benefit of "Everyone gets Shield of Faith" they keep throwing around do...ANYTHING?

I'm thinking about who would not have SoF in the first place...and it seems to me they all have better than a 6++. Priests, Crusaders, DCA...

SoF doesn't improve your invuln save by 1 does it? Just grants a 6++, right?

the_scotsman wrote:
Hm. Now I'm trying to think - does the formation benefit of "Everyone gets Shield of Faith" they keep throwing around do...ANYTHING?

I'm thinking about who would not have SoF in the first place...and it seems to me they all have better than a 6++. Priests, Crusaders, DCA...

SoF doesn't improve your invuln save by 1 does it? Just grants a 6++, right?

You do get Adamantium Will as someone reminded me.

the_scotsman wrote:
Hm. Now I'm trying to think - does the formation benefit of "Everyone gets Shield of Faith" they keep throwing around do...ANYTHING?

I'm thinking about who would not have SoF in the first place...and it seems to me they all have better than a 6++. Priests, Crusaders, DCA...

SoF doesn't improve your invuln save by 1 does it? Just grants a 6++, right?

Arco-flagellants could really use it.

If you take the Ecclesiarchy Battle conclave and Jacobus then you should (if they haven't changed the warlord trait) gain a +1 to your SoF invul to all units in the formation. Take nothing but Arco-flagellants and you have a 5+ invul +5 feel no pain unit that does 5 rerolling hits on the charge (per model) with either rerolling wounds or rerolling invul saves.

Sagittarii Orientalis wrote:
Just read through the leaked pages someone posted on imgur.

I have little interest on either SoB or Inquisition, but the Legion of the Damned detachment is simple and its command benefit very useful.
While it is sad to see that the Legionnaire Sergeant can no longer take combi weapons, the command benefit more than compensates for it.
Now I can wipe away the dust on my LotD squad in the shelf and use it more often.

Saw the LotD changes, little irritated. I’ve been working on a counts-as squad that I now need to re-jigger the gear on. The hard part will be finding a MM that works. The main reason I built him with a plasma cannon was the fact that I had an on the shoulder one. That and ignore cover plasma is nothing to sneeze at. Let’s see how much of the squad I magnetized.

For those who can’t see the pics:

LotD heavies are restricted to a MM or HF. Specials are plasma/flamer/melta. Sarge has a few swaps. He can swap his bolter for a chainsword/power weapon/fist (for normal points) and then take from a chart, where he has access to bolter/stormbolter/plasma pistol.

Everything else looks to be the same.

The inability to take a Plasma Cannon on the LotD killed my desire to make some. Ignores Cover Str7 AP2 blasts were going to be so cool.

Overall, I have nothing to gain from this book. No changes to Assassins vs. the White Dwarf rules or the digital Dex. Nothing useful for Deathwatch and a downgrade for Inquisition and Legion of the Damned. No go for me.

Well, one good thing from this is the Immolator officially got it's firing point back.

Coteaz has objective secured now and also provides his preferred enemy: Daemons even if he is not the warlord.

So the only character outside of skull caddies got buffed!

Huh. that's actually interesting, I was wondering what the whole point of that benefit was.

I seriously can't believe they made a whole new faction for valks (a fething transport aircraft) so nobody besides an officer of the fleet can actually start on the thing.

tneva82 wrote:

Last time I checked I can get no jetbikes, warwalkers, vanguard veterans or flamers of tzeentch in any land raider box so not sure why bring those up to post about land raider.

Go back to the original conversation. It was models that got cheaper.


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And finally! Someone who knew the codexes did the review. Thanks, Goon!

 Vankraken wrote:
I seriously can't believe they made a whole new faction for valks (a fething transport aircraft) so nobody besides an officer of the fleet can actually start on the thing.

It increases the sales of Skyshield Landing Pads.

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All those units moving to Elite Slots means more Kill Team options

 Vankraken wrote:
I seriously can't believe they made a whole new faction for valks (a fething transport aircraft) so nobody besides an officer of the fleet can actually start on the thing.

On the bright side, it’s a nice framework that FW can put things in.

 pretre wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Last time I checked I can get no jetbikes, warwalkers, vanguard veterans or flamers of tzeentch in any land raider box so not sure why bring those up to post about land raider.

Go back to the original conversation. It was models that got cheaper.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
And finally! Someone who knew the codexes did the review. Thanks, Goon!

Where is this review?