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 jasper76 wrote:
My bet on Warscythe:

S +2, AP2 Melee, Armorbane, Two-Handed...basically the same exact thing as the Edge of Eternity, except for that added Executioner.

95% sure...they do that alot with these artifacts lists...take a weapon, and just tack on 1 special rule. IIRC, the only weapon artifacts in the Tyranid codex are normal weapons where everythihng is the same except 1 special rule added.

I imagine this is what Warscythes will be as well.

Precision Strike seems like something they'd value at 10 points.

col_impact wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

Do you guys realize that when a CCB lord joins a unit it really sucks for the CCB lord? No Look Out Sir and no assigning hits to the chariot profile. Really bad for the CCB lord.

Well since the rules that the CCB can't LoS are made up, I don't see that being an issue.

Have you actually read the Look Out Sir rules? It's pretty clear that you can not Look Out Sir for a bargelord.

Spoiler:

Look Out, Sir and Shooting

When a Wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he is allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

Spoiler:

Look Out, Sir and Assaults

As with shooting attacks, if a non-vehicle character has a Wound allocated to him, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he’s allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

So since it's patently obvious that the bargeLord loses Look Out Sir and also loses the ability to tank shots on his vehicles when he joins units, its generally a very bad idea for him to join units.

Wound is allocated to the infantry character's profile, allowed by the chariot rules, which can look out sir. No conflict.

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 NecronLord3 wrote:

Wound is allocated to the infantry character's profile, allowed by the chariot rules, which can look out sir. No conflict.

Besides the massive conflict that the barge is still a vehicle? duel profiles has its up and downs. but it doesn't become one or the other when its convenient.

 Desubot wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Wound is allocated to the infantry character's profile, allowed by the chariot rules, which can look out sir. No conflict.

Besides the massive conflict that the barge is still a vehicle? duel profiles has its up and downs. but it doesn't become one or the other when its convenient.

Does for tournament organizers.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

Wound is allocated to the infantry character's profile, allowed by the chariot rules, which can look out sir. No conflict.

Besides the massive conflict that the barge is still a vehicle? duel profiles has its up and downs. but it doesn't become one or the other when its convenient.

Does for tournament organizers.

Well thats nice

Buts it not universal.

Etherway that unit and model is a tough cookie.

None of those formations take regular Necron Lords (vs. Overlords).

And the Solar Themasite wargear is for Overlords and Crypteks only, but there isn't really anything in the text or fluff that would lead me to believe it would not be bearable by a Lord (unless it was specially made by Crypteks for Overlords only).

Kind of makes me wonder if Necron Lords may be a thing of the past???

I think so or are just unit upgrades that don't get wargear.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
I think so or are just unit upgrades that don't get wargear.

You mean like a sergeant or something?

If they care to account for pre-existing models, they'd have to keep warscythe and res orb options for the Lord.

I'd be mildly dissapointed if they knixed the Lords altogether. I have 2 conversions with SoL and Res Orbs that I'm fond of, and were a PITA to put together

 NecronLord3 wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

col_impact wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
My prediction is GW will reaffirm the chariot is RAW 3++ and can join units.

The 3++ will stay. IC will not.

Most likely this... Santa Logan is specifically allowed the invuln save but is also specifically not allowed to join units.

Do you guys realize that when a CCB lord joins a unit it really sucks for the CCB lord? No Look Out Sir and no assigning hits to the chariot profile. Really bad for the CCB lord.

Well since the rules that the CCB can't LoS are made up, I don't see that being an issue.

Have you actually read the Look Out Sir rules? It's pretty clear that you can not Look Out Sir for a bargelord.

Spoiler:

Look Out, Sir and Shooting

When a Wound is allocated to one of your non-vehicle characters, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he is allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

Spoiler:

Look Out, Sir and Assaults

As with shooting attacks, if a non-vehicle character has a Wound allocated to him, and there is another model from the same unit within 6", he’s allowed a Look Out, Sir attempt.

So since it's patently obvious that the bargeLord loses Look Out Sir and also loses the ability to tank shots on his vehicles when he joins units, its generally a very bad idea for him to join units.

Wound is allocated to the infantry character's profile, allowed by the chariot rules, which can look out sir. No conflict.

Wounds are allocated to models and Look Out, Sir applies to models. The chariot is a model type "vehicle - chariot" that has Independent Character so its a vehicle character and specifically disallowed from Look Out, Sir.

Futhermore, a chariot that joins a unit loses the ability to allocate hits to the chariot profiles. That rule begins with



Since the chariot is no longer in a chariot unit it cannot use chariot hit allocation rules and follows the normal wound allocation rules.

What this means is that a bargeLord that has joined a unit is much weaker from the joining and the ability of a bargeLord to join units is nothing to worry about as long as people play it correctly according to the rules. The ability is very self-limiting.

In this image I think it shows the gauss gun 'conversion' is actually an add-on for re-boxed warriors, its close enough to show the top rail along with the tube and how neat it all is. This has got me expecting some re-boxing with removal of the last of the green rods and the adding of bigger bases and inscribed tubes as needed for the different kits.

Yeah, I was of a similar idea. The conversion page seemed too "convenient" to me, showing up a week before they were showing off the Warriors with it. Supposedly there won't be any new models with this release, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it in the near future.

New base sizes, awesome. That won't cause trouble at tournaments, especially not as the older bases give you an advantage over the new bases.

It's too bad about the bases. I just started building a Necron force and I've already modeled the old bases and worked my butt off to make those broad-stance warriors fit them. Now that I've put in the work, they come out with nice, comfy bases that would have looked so much nicer.

Wow I wasn't going to buy the Exterminatus Part 3 but now I think I might have to. If the regular codex doesn't have the same types of goodies in it, I feel like I would be limiting myself by NOT playing a Mephrit detachment with the Mephrit warlord traits. So tired of just rolling on the strategic table and hoping I get #4 all the time.

Oh except that this is already completely sold out on the webstore... fantastic.

Immortals removed from troops and put back in elite`s........

Sigvatr wrote:New base sizes, awesome. That won't cause trouble at tournaments, especially not as the older bases give you an advantage over the new bases.

docdoom77 wrote:It's too bad about the bases. I just started building a Necron force and I've already modeled the old bases and worked my butt off to make those broad-stance warriors fit them. Now that I've put in the work, they come out with nice, comfy bases that would have looked so much nicer.

I'm going to check with the tournament I'm going to in March to see what the ruling is. I haven't finished the bases on any of mine, I really feel for the people who have. Worst comes to worse, you can always just tack on the new ones underneath, but if you've meticulously created the bases for some of your models, it's going to suck.

Warmonger2757 wrote:Wow I wasn't going to buy the Exterminatus Part 3 but now I think I might have to. If the regular codex doesn't have the same types of goodies in it, I feel like I would be limiting myself by NOT playing a Mephrit detachment with the Mephrit warlord traits. So tired of just rolling on the strategic table and hoping I get #4 all the time.

Depends on what's in the Codex, and if Necrons get their own full Supplement like Champions of Fenris or Waaaghh Gahzkull or Haemonculous Covens.

Motograter wrote:Immortals removed from troops and put back in elite`s........

Not gonna happen. The only way that would feasibly occur is if Flayed Ones move to Troops, which I don't see happening atm.

Blood Angels had two troop choices removed with no replacements and at one time immortals were elite and warriors were the only troop choice. It may not happen but i`d be prepared for it

What are people's thoughts on what the point cost for warriors will be?

they already had the (seeminly standard now) point decrease with the last edition. that did come with a significant nerf though. I'm kind of doubting much will change for them.

I don't see Warriors or Immortals changing cost. Both are about right for what they do. Points issues lie more obvious in other parts of the codex.

Yeah, like I'll totally be rebasing over 200 Necron infantry models.

Wait, I'm not

 Sigvatr wrote:
Yeah, like I'll totally be rebasing over 200 Necron infantry models.

Wait, I'm not

Bingo.

This must be how SM players felt when they changed the Terminator base size.

Requizen wrote:
This must be how SM players felt when they changed the Terminator base size.

They also got new models for that released.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that people with the old ones had to rebase to fit the new models.

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that people with the old ones had to rebase to fit the new models.

No they didn't. And still don't.

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that people with the old ones had to rebase to fit the new models.

Lol no they did not. No one has to change base size

Requizen wrote:
Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that people with the old ones had to rebase to fit the new models.

No, they never had to. There has been the rule that you can use what ever came with the model when you bought them. You can easily tell the difference as the old Terminators are metal, smaller and look completely different.





The issue with the change here is the models are staying the same with Necrons and SM.