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It says it's an a5 copy of the rulebook, not a quick start leaflet

It also mentions including an easy start guide.

 BrookM wrote:
It also mentions including an easy start guide.

Contents has both listed.

This was posted on Facebook by someone who got this info at Historicon. No idea how accurate it is although it does tie in with earlier rumours.

Shooting Pintle MGs force a tank to go open topped
only 4 pins needed to drive away an airplane
officers can now pull out dice when they activate to "assign" the pulled dice to units within 6". I.E.- A 1st Lt, when activated, can pull out 2 additional order dice and give them to units within 6".
Templates- HE now is on a template, no more 3d6 hits on one squad. Hit everyone under template, including units next to each other.
LMGs will have ROF increased
Armoured Reece can only Reece if it doesn't have an order die
Flamethhrowers no longer "auto-hit"
Tough fighter now do not give an extra attack in melee, instead they give a chance of and extra wound when they roll a wound.

There are also US and British paratrooper and Italian plastics being worked on.

Huh, that officer rule actually makes them good for something other than a +something to leadership and having free SMG's / assault rifles.

I'm also curious to see just how much of a ROF increase the LMG will get.

 BrookM wrote:
Huh, that officer rule actually makes them good for something other than a +something to leadership and having free SMG's / assault rifles.

I'm also curious to see just how much of a ROF increase the LMG will get.

speculation is +1 die for LMG and MMG (4 and 5) and the German book will have option to upgrade units to MG42 which adds further fun.

+1 die at 20 pts is nothing (you don't see germans loading up on LMGs and MMGs). I was hoping for something that made them different (like units that take pins from a machine gun instead take D2 pins or something).

decker_cky wrote:
+1 die at 20 pts is nothing (you don't see germans loading up on LMGs and MMGs). I was hoping for something that made them different (like units that take pins from a machine gun instead take D2 pins or something).

again, just repeating speculation. no one outside of the playtest groups has had eyes on the actual rules. much like the doomsayers on the fb group ragequitting and crying about template deviation and whatnot despite a) alessio saying there's no deviation and b) no one has had eyes on the template rules yet

If it's just +1 shot, it's still a waste of two models and 20 points then. Pass.

 judgedoug wrote:


speculation is +1 die for LMG and MMG (4 and 5) and the German book will have option to upgrade units to MG42 which adds further fun.

IIRC the +1RoF rumour said that it was also supposedly accompanied by a significant points decrease. As points aren't changing I would think that the changes would go further than +1 RoF, there was talk of additional pins from LMGs a few months ago.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:


speculation is +1 die for LMG and MMG (4 and 5) and the German book will have option to upgrade units to MG42 which adds further fun.

IIRC the +1RoF rumour said that it was also supposedly accompanied by a significant points decrease. As points aren't changing I would think that the changes would go further than +1 RoF, there was talk of additional pins from LMGs a few months ago.

Yeah, d2 and d3 for LMG and MMG respectively. Again, all speculation. I have heard zero information regarding LMG and MMG rules changes directly from a specifically reputable source.


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 BrookM wrote:
If it's just +1 shot, it's still a waste of two models and 20 points then. Pass.

What are you passing on specifically?

I hadn't realized that taking a LMG was actually putting armies down in effectiveness until now (I play Germans). Making LMG's cost 10 points or giving them +1 ROF would be really nice - it would at least bring them up to points parity cost. An extra pin would be nice as well (give it an ability called "Suppresive"?)

BTW, where do I find the current erratta for Bolt Action anyways? Warlord's site isn't the most friendly to navigate.

He's passing on LMG's and MMG's. Lots of people consider them worthless.

They either need a lot more shots, or more shots and the ability to generate extra pins. Personally I'd do it where LMG's generate 1 extra pin for the unit and MMG's generate 2. That way LMG rifle units can put out 2-3 pins, and an MMG can put out 3 pins on their own. An easier way would be to do the "1d2 extra pins if the LMG hits" rule, but thats just how I would do it. Then you could have the Hitler's buzzsaw rule be units with an MG 34 or MG42 get a +1 to their pin roll.

I do find it wierd that rules wise, 3-4 men with rifles (bolt actions no less) can mechanically match the firepower of a fully automatic LMG firing with a dedicated loader.

Since we know the cost isn't changing, theyll have to get a base rules change, so its either more pins for the unit shooting, more shots, or both. All we can do now is wait and see.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
He's passing on LMG's and MMG's. Lots of people consider them worthless.

Passing on LMG's in Bolt Action: Speculation Edition?


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 Stormonu wrote:
BTW, where do I find the current erratta for Bolt Action anyways? Warlord's site isn't the most friendly to navigate.

http://www.warlordgames.com/downloads/pdf/ba-errata.pdf


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 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Since we know the cost isn't changing, theyll have to get a base rules change, so its either more pins for the unit shooting, more shots, or both. All we can do now is wait and see.

Yup, and until someone sees the book or Alessio talks, literally everything we know about LMG and MMG in BA2 is... nothing. :/

 judgedoug wrote:

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
He's passing on LMG's and MMG's. Lots of people consider them worthless.

Passing on LMG's in Bolt Action: Speculation Edition?

Yup, and until someone sees the book or Alessio talks, literally everything we know about LMG and MMG in BA2 is... nothing. :/

Yes?

I mean, I took it as 'yes, based on this speculation, if true, then I won't be taking that unit/option/etc.'

Hopefully the rules, when we finally get to see them, will tell a different story.

Until then, speculate away!

BrookM's a rather level-headed individual, so I don't think he's throwing his toys into the canal...

...yet!

I think the role of LMGs and MMGs is one of the areas here BA really struggled, both as a balanced rules set, and as an evocative WWII rule set. We know that artillery (in all forms, down to mortars) were the cause of the vast majority of casualties, but on a company or platoon level, the machine guns were the huge bulk of firepower. I'd rather have the current rules than historically accurate rules (where you can run pretty compelling scenarios of a platoon against a single dug in MMG), but right now, the LMG is markedly underpowered. I play Germans, and there is literally no reason to take an LMG and three rifles over four assault rifles, aside from shame.

I have hope that they'll fix them, I'm just curious how.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
He's passing on LMG's and MMG's. Lots of people consider them worthless.

....

I do find it wierd that rules wise, 3-4 men with rifles (bolt actions no less) can mechanically match the firepower of a fully automatic LMG firing with a dedicated loader.

Very much this really.

 Alpharius wrote:
BrookM's a rather level-headed individual, so I don't think he's throwing his toys into the canal...

...yet!

Oh heavens no, I binned or gave away most of my stuff ages ago aside from a few choice units. Way ahead of you and captain ardex defensor there guv.

Warlord games released some new metal infantry:

http://us-store.warlordgames.com/collections/new-releases/products/volksgrenadiers

The Volks Grenadiers. I have to say these are a really nice alternative to the Grenadiers kit if you want late war infantry that aren't in total love with their Zeltbahns. These models are hardly limited to representing Volks Grenadiers and can be used to represent Heer Grenadiers, W-SS and so on.

Though, did we really need -more- German infantry?

Just went up on the WG website

http://www.warlordgames.com/bolt-action-2-incoming/

Yah for transport operating their own guns.

I'm surprised to see army lists in the new rulebook at all let alone adding Japan to it.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
Just went up on the WG website

http://www.warlordgames.com/bolt-action-2-incoming/

Yah for transport operating their own guns.

I'm surprised to see army lists in the new rulebook at all let alone adding Japan to it.

Two reasons

1. Bolt Action 1 has the "getting started" lists - this allowed you to get the rulebook and a box of infantry and dice and start playing. Makes the most sense to continue this trend.
2. The new Bolt Action Free Standing Display Unit that stores can get at a significant trade discount has ultrapopular boxes of plastic infantry and vehicles for US, Germany, Britain, Russia, and Japan, so it only makes fiduciary and marketing sense (see 1, above) to have starter lists for all 5 of those armies in the main rulebook that are part the FSDU.

BA 2nd Ed rulebook and starter up for pre-order with special offer for existing customers. General Patton figure comes with orders of the hardback rule book direct from Warlord games. The US Airborne are on the wish list!









Contents:

24 New Plastic US Airborne

12 Plastic German Grenadiers

Plastic SdKfz 251/10 AusfD. 3.7cm PaK half track

Plastic Ruined Farm

A5 Softback Bolt Action 2 Rules Book

Quick Start Guide

Quick Reference Sheet

12 Plastic Pin Markers

Plastic Templates and Tokens

Construction Diagrams

10 Six Sided Dice

10 Order Dice



http://www.warlordgames.com/pre-order-bolt-action-2-and-the-band-of-brothers-starter-set/

 Bonegrinder wrote:
BA 2nd Ed rulebook and starter up for pre-order with special offer for existing customers.

I'm missing it; what/where is the special offer for existing customers?

In a direct email if you're a previous warlord customer. Free infantry box with each pre-order.

I see they're going the 40k route and giving sergeants giant machetes now to draw enemy fire.

Judging by the haircut he's a pathfinder, so having a machete to help clear drop zones doesn't seem too off.

Very excited for the US Airborne, and psyched that it comes with pathfinders (though Warlord's promo shots don't distinguish them). Hopefully there's a signal gun on the sprue.

Is there BARs on a few of those figures? That would require a new entry for them, since the current one doesn't include any BARs.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
BA 2nd Ed rulebook and starter up for pre-order with special offer for existing customers.

I'm hoping Warlord offers LGS something to compete with this - I love all the offers Warlord sends out, but it makes it very difficult to support gaming stores that carry their product.

decker_cky wrote:
Very excited for the US Airborne, and psyched that it comes with pathfinders (though Warlord's promo shots don't distinguish them). Hopefully there's a signal gun on the sprue.

 Bonegrinder wrote:
BA 2nd Ed rulebook and starter up for pre-order with special offer for existing customers.

I'm hoping Warlord offers LGS something to compete with this - I love all the offers Warlord sends out, but it makes it very difficult to support gaming stores that carry their product.

Even with the great discounts from my favourite places, it doesn't compare to getting a free box of soldiers. If you didn't need them, sell them on eBay or the like for a good price and you could have the rulebook for a steal.

As I said - hopefully Warlord provides a credit or something to their LGS for sales of BA2 books that allows them to make an offer that's even close to comparable.

The hardback price is crazy, since you get the hardback, a Patton figure, and a plastic infantry set for less than the price of a plastic infantry set.

decker_cky wrote:
As I said - hopefully Warlord provides a credit or something to their LGS for sales of BA2 books that allows them to make an offer that's even close to comparable.

The hardback price is crazy, since you get the hardback, a Patton figure, and a plastic infantry set for less than the price of a plastic infantry set.

Warlord offers the exact same website deals to their retail trade accounts. (For example, when it was "buy a starter set and get a free tank", they offered the same to the trade retail stores). However, (sweeping generalization fallacy ahead!) since most LGS owners are incompetent, lazy, or dishonest, they offers wind up not being extended to customers and they put the freebies as stock to sell on their shelves while complaining that online sales are ruining their livelihoods

 BrookM wrote:
I see they're going the 40k route and giving sergeants giant machetes now to draw enemy fire.

Well...