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Some glueing and GSing yet to do but I won't be doing it all tonight and I felt like showing off

So here are my two snipers ready to take their places in the squads of 3rd platoon, 5th Dunedin Rifles! (cue fanfare)

I remember seeing a picture a while back of a Barrat light 50 anti-materiel rifle being fired in the dark. The muzzle flash was suitable insane, and hence here is my own rendition of this event. When (if) I get around to painting the thing I might try some light source action. The rifle rest will end up being some kind of tree/shrub/bush type thing, depending on how the GSing and flocking goes

Looks interesting. Will you be sculpting "flames" on the 'twisted' GS?

I think the twisted gs is the flames(right?) i see the potential for that to look amazing, so paint it!


also where did you get the guns?

I know the heads are pig iron production but where ar the weapons from?

fire4effekt wrote:I think the twisted gs is the flames(right?) i see the potential for that to look amazing, so paint it!


also where did you get the guns?

The twisted GS is supposed to be the flash. My sculpting skills are a bit pathetic so I try to do things a bit more simply. Heh, I have time to tinker with models just now, painting requires a bit more time I don't have yet. Rest assured it will be one of the first to be done though

Crablezworth wrote:I know the heads are pig iron production but where ar the weapons from?

Weapons are Hasslefree miniatures CAD guns. I'm using the Type 2 for Lasguns, Type 1 for carbines/laspistols and Type 12 for sniper rifles. The Type 9 was also tempting, but I wanted a slug-thrower, rather than an energy weapon. There are some nice SAW-type guns in there too.

hassle free

looking good as usual. I really love the sniper detail. I think I remember the picture you are on about.

Keep it up.

Those Weapons look really good ;D

The "muzzle flash" is in no way doing it for me. It doesn't look like a muzzle flash at all. I've never seen escaping, hot gas exit a muzzle in a twisty braid. Also, the front of the Barret releases a huge ball of smoke, The gasses exit the vents in the side of the muzzle.

Other than that, the models look really nice.



Ghidorah

I would have to agree with ghidorah here, due to the effects of a muzzle flash the smoke seen ejecting from the side vents (the barrett .50 is a good reference to this) the smoke trail would be angled backwards towards the trooper thats firing the weapon.



As you can see, the points either side of the tip are ment to take the flash, rather than the end of the barrell, this will make the shot alot more discreet.
there shouldnt be much of a flash from the actual barrell as the flash hider (side vents) were made to draw the flash and smoke backwards from the rifle and dispurse quickly.



Side note: barrett .50 wasnt the best example as it sounds like a flashbang when it fires, but it has the perfect design compared to the look your going for.


hope that helped somewhat

Ghidorah wrote:The "muzzle flash" is in no way doing it for me. It doesn't look like a muzzle flash at all. I've never seen escaping, hot gas exit a muzzle in a twisty braid. Also, the front of the Barret releases a huge ball of smoke, The gasses exit the vents in the side of the muzzle.

Other than that, the models look really nice.
Ghidorah

Its a fair point. My personal experience of real muzzle flash is, thankfully, zero and I was working from a half remembered picture. I actually managed to find the pic I was thinking of though, and I might have to re-visit the flash as being too small

The twisting of the GS was designed to give some kind of texture to what is a rather chaotic event (and my sculpting skills are limited). I may ponder further and re-post, or I might get lazy and ignore the new reference pics I found through the magic of Google (all rights to whoever took the pics originally, etc)

The new ref pics look like the man decided im gonna shoot at random stuff in the desert lol.

Safest place to shoot, limited things to hurt.

I really like the idea your going with on this. I do have to agree tho that the "flash" isnt really doing it. Maybe try some smoke cotton (get it at hobby shops) or some steel wool maybe. Try that route. Again tho dont give this up Im sure it will look supreme in the finished stage

that'd work. soke it in pva then pull it into your desired shape.

Since you've already done the work on them, paint 'em up and see what they look like. If you don't like it, go with the smoke cotton and see how that does for you.

Using example #2 from your post...
Some points to note, if you haven't already:




#1) You can clearly see the end of the of the barrel with the muzzle vent.
#2) Looking at the entire cloud, you can see that it moves backwards from the vent and at a downward angle. This is evidenced by the furthest point of the flash being slightly lower than the point of origin (muzzle vent).
#3) You can clearly see that the flash is longer than it is tall, which also supports a front-to-back and slightly down-sloped trajectory from the vents.
#4) The forward flash is FAR smaller and semi-mushroom shaped.
#5) The forward flash also seems to taper towards a middle ground as evidenced by the edges of the puff contracting as it extends outwards.

Whether or not this may help you is as yet undetermined, but there it is all the same.



Ghidorah

First of all, your reference pics are not of a barret..
But that's not important... what is is that you realize that the muzzle flash from the barrel's fron end barely exists while most of it blows out in a 45 degree angle from the muzzle, as it is designed to to dhit to not get the recoil to blow the arm off the shooter, and never does a barret create trails that are similar to rocket smoke trails..

it's a great idea, but more has to be done

@Ghidorah - I had noted most of these things, but its nice to see an independant view

@Muller - I realise now that the reference pics aren't actually a Barrett (my faulty memory) but they were tagged as being of test firings of .50 BMG ammo, and I don't see how the response of the Barrett would be substantially different

The rearward action of the side vents was something I hadn't appreciated before, but thankfully the side flashes are moulded onto a wire armature, so they have now been bent appropriately.

I think next steps include carving the existing GS a bit to use as a base, especially the front flash, and then build up the side flashes somehow. Thinking of a combination of putty and some kind of cotton wool substance to get a softer edge to the blast.

hehe, yeah it looks like a reciolless rifle (from the barrel build) in the pic.

Looking forward to updates