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HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 665pts
-TH & SS x10
-Land Raider Redeemer w/ multimelta & extra armor

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Troop
Tactical Squad 225pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad 225pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ bolt pistol and chainsword
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 265
-Multimelta
-Extra armor

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 265
-Multimelta
-Extra armor

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 265
-Multimelta
-Extra armor

I combat squad the Terminators with groups of 5 going into their own Land Raider Redeemer. So that will be 4 terminator assault squads in 4 land raider redeemers. vulkan rides in one of them... preferably the one that gets to start the game mounted up. 2 of the Term/LR squads will focus on being guards for the tacitcals as they attempt to hold objectives and the 2 other act as agitation for the opposition.

The tactical squads are equipped to take advantage of Vulkan's bonus... at first I was thinking scouts with sniper rifles. I put extra armor and dozer blades on the rhinos for extra survivability and mobility.

I normally prefer lascannons but I thought the Redeemers and the multimeltas would work well with Vulkan's special ability and for a bit of fluff.

Predict that I'll have problem with Anti tank hitting me before I get up to where I want to be because of the short range of my vehicle's weaponry; I won't be able to take them out before they get some Lascannon/Railgun shots in.

I'm not experienced with Ard Boyz so I wonder if this is a list that would suffer under any rulings that deal with composition.

Not enough troops if the missions are simular to last years. IG will outshoot, but you should have a good chance against just about everything else. It is a little too much of a one trick poney for my tastes but killing 20 TT/SS Assault terminators AND 3 land raiders will be difficult for most armies.

Here's an alternate list. This one utilizes more troops.

HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 650pts
-TH & SS x10
-Land Raider Redeemer w/ multimelta

Elite
Ironclad Dreadnought #1 180pts
-Replaced Storm Bolter w/ Heavy Flamer
-Drop Pod

Elite
Ironclad Dreadnought #2 180pts
-Replaced Storm Bolter w/ Heavy Flamer
-Drop Pod

Troop
Tactical Squad #1 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ bolt pistol and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #2 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ bolt pistol and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #3 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ bolt pistol and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 265
-Multimelta

Heavy Support
Devastator Squad 300pts
-Multi meltas x4
-Sgt w/ signum
-5 other marines w/ boltguns
Razorback w/ Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, and Hunter Killer Missile


I combat squad the Terminators with 1 group starting the game mounted up. The other 5 use the Heavy Support Landraider Redeemer. Vulkan rides with the group that starts mounted up. 1 of the Termie/LRR groups acts as an escort for tactical squad #1. The other acts as sort of security for tactical squad #2.

Ironclad Dreadnought #1 will act as agitation for the opponent. Ironclad Dreadnought #2 will act as sort of security for tactical squad #3.

Tactical Squad #1 acts as agitation for the opponent. Tactical squad #2 and #3 go for objectives. MM and flamer are to take advantage of Vulkan's special ability as well as provide anti horde and anti tank options. The sgts. get PFs to provide some hard hits whether for high toughness or anti-armor. Rhinos are equiped with Extra Armor and Dozer blades for survivability and mobility.

The Devastator Squad will be combat squaded with the MMs and the Sgt. holding a position for heavy support near one of the objectives being held by tac squad #2 or #3. The other squad, the rest of the guys with boltguns, ride around in the Razorback for agitation. The Razorback has been equiped Extra armor and Dozer blades for Survivability and mobility. The HK is for some semblence of anti tank.


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Alternative for the Devastator squad:

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 100pts
x2 Multimeltas

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 100pts
x2 Multimeltas

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 100pts
x2 Multimeltas

I get 2 more multimeltas plus better mobility for agitation


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Another option...

I drop one of the Attack Bike Squads for the following:

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 100pts
-Heavy Flamer x2

I'm hoping it provides for some horde agitation.

DEFINETELY go with the Attack bikes over the devs, with the devs, what happens when you take 1 wound? You lose an expensive marine that's what. The attack bikes will serve you WAY better, they have more firepower, are more mobile, and are more surviveable. The Land Speeders are good too, I would suggest them, especially against the Nob Bikers you're gunna be facing.

Drop one of the Ironclad Dreadnoughts, You don't want to risk one of them not coming 'till turn 3.
You could have 1 Ironclad in a drop pod, and 1 vanilla Dread kitted out for ranged combat. It would save you some points for the advice below:

The Bolt pistol on your sergeants does not give you an extra attack, consider Taking a Combi-Melta or Combi-Flamer in it's place, both are assault weapons, and both benefit from Vulkan's bonuses.

List utilizing Attack Bike and Landspeeder options as well as some suggestions from Canonness Rory and asugradinwa

HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 650pts
-TH & SS x10
-Land Raider Redeemer w/ multimelta

Elite
Dreadnought 130pts
-Replaced CCW & Stormbolter with Missile Launcher
-Extra Armor

Elite
Ironclad Dreadnought #2 200pts
-Replaced Storm Bolter w/ Heavy Flamer
-Drop Pod w/ Deathwind Missile Launcher

Troop
Tactical Squad #1 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-melta and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #2 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #3 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 250
-Multimelta

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 100pts
x2 Multimeltas

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 100pts
x2 Multimeltas

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 100pts
-Heavy Flamer x2

If my calculations are correct that is 2515 points.

I'd Drop the Deathwind on that Drop Pod.

it is 12" range, and since the Drop Pod is immobile, you probably won't get to shoot at a whole lot.

Hmmm Army Builder says 2500 but maybe thats a bug/error

Edit: oops forgot to take off points for one of the LRR's extra armor

If you want to pull this comp trick you really need Deathwing. Fit in another LR maybe too, and you're all set for objectives.

Arctik_Firangi wrote:If you want to pull this comp trick you really need Deathwing. Fit in another LR maybe too, and you're all set for objectives.

Maybe I'll try another list for Deathwing. I like this list for Vulkan

Heh, sorry. You're ight, it is a good Vulkan list, with lack of Troops being the major issue as mentioned before. At 2500 you are going to have trouble tabling anybody, but you're great for objectives (force a draw most of the time) so long as you don't have to fight maxed bloodletters .

How about this? Its terminator heavy. I'm thinking I'll have the Termie squads combat squaded. That will give me 6 5man Termie squads... one of them will be footslogging it on to the field with Vulkan while the rest I'll have in as deep strikers... or maybe half footslog... the other half deep strike.

I've got 4 tactical which should help out with objective coverage and, if need be, I can always combat squad them as they drop.

For some support I have the Land Speeder and Attack Bike.

Another idea is that I trade off one of the tactical for more bikes and land speeders.


HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Troop
Tactical Squad #1 240pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod

Troop
Tactical Squad #2 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Troop
Tactical Squad #3 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Troop
Tactical Squad #4 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 50pts
-Multimelta

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 70pts
-Heavy Flamer
-Multimelta

I'm liking all the ideas, but how many points will that all come to? I mean I can see that that's probably only going to get any use in Apoc games, and that'll be a shame. BTW, where can I get a Vulkan model?

MC

Vulkan needs Land Speeders, they are the bread and butter of the Salamanders. Nothing else in the codex even comes close in points efficiency. I take 5 at 1750 and will up that to either 7 or 9 if I do 'Ard Boyz this year. Better yet, you can use the beacons when they deep strike (it's how I run my list: http://www.baldandscreaming.com/army-list-salamanders-1750/).

extermikator wrote:I'm liking all the ideas, but how many points will that all come to? I mean I can see that that's probably only going to get any use in Apoc games, and that'll be a shame. BTW, where can I get a Vulkan model?

MC

It comes out to 2500. The Vulcan model you can preorder on GW's site.

Danny Internets wrote:Vulkan needs Land Speeders, they are the bread and butter of the Salamanders. Nothing else in the codex even comes close in points efficiency. I take 5 at 1750 and will up that to either 7 or 9 if I do 'Ard Boyz this year. Better yet, you can use the beacons when they deep strike (it's how I run my list: http://www.baldandscreaming.com/army-list-salamanders-1750/).

Yeah, maybe I'll replace my attack bikes in the previous list with more Land Speeders and in my Terminator Heavy List maybe drop a Tactical for more Land Speeders.


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Here is the Termie spam with more land speeders. I took out one of the Tacticals. Brings total to 2470

HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 400pts
-TH & SS x10

Troop
Tactical Squad #1 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Troop
Tactical Squad #2 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Troop
Tactical Squad #3 250pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Drop Pod w/ Locator Beacon

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 50pts
-Multimelta

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 140pts
-Heavy Flamer x2
-Multimelta x2

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 140pts
-Heavy Flamer x2
-Multimelta x2


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This is the Vulkan list meant for Ard Boyz. Made both Dreads footslog and took out some attack bikes in favor of more Land Speeders. Comes to 2475

HQ
Forgefather Vulkan He'stan 190pts

Elite
Terminator Assault Squad 650pts
-TH & SS x10
-Land Raider Redeemer w/ multimelta

Elite
Dreadnought 130pts
-Replaced CCW & Stormbolter with Missile Launcher
-Extra Armor

Elite
Ironclad Dreadnought #2 145pts
-Replaced Storm Bolter w/ Heavy Flamer

Troop
Tactical Squad #1 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-melta and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #2 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Troop
Tactical Squad #3 260pts
-Multimelta
-Flamer
-Sgt w/ combi-flamer and powerfist
-Rhino w/ extra armor and dozer blade

Heavy Support
Land Raider Redeemer 250
-Multimelta

Fast Attack
Attack Bike Squad 50pts
-Multimeltas

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 140pts
-Heavy Flamer x2
-Multimelta x2

Fast Attack
Land Speeder Squadron 140pts
-Heavy Flamer x2
-Multimelta x2

Well, I don't think I'll be doing Ard Boyz 09 this year... too little time to get everything bought (buying from scratch since I dumped my last army), built (wysiwyg is gonna kick my rump), or to get practice in (summer school work and aerobics are gonna take my weekends). But I'm going to shoot for next year...

In the meantime, any comments on the latest iterations of my lists (post previous to this one)? I'm most likely going to take the one with the Land Raiders, and I might take out Extra Armor on the dreadnought to make room for meltaguns on my tac squads.