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I was thinking about this. In the SM codex and in the fluff it says that female space marines can't be possible due to the fact that the gene seed or whatever it was is keyed to male tissue types. But I think it's possible to create enhanced female warriors but just not in the same way as males for space marines. The SOB's would be the most likily canidates since they go through strict training anyway. I think these enhanced females should need far fewer implanted organs (and no gene seed) than the males because the process will enhance the properties of the vital organs that they already have rather than implanting more, therefore the process would take less time. The process should enhance the female's speed, agility, healing from injuries, and such. Because the females don't have all of the implanted organs of a space marine, appearance wise they'll look just like regular females. I'll work on in detail later of how it'll be done but I think COULD be possible...

There have been a lot of threads about this. Most of it has resulted in some extreme NERD RAGE. You can even check out Doc Thunder's Female Space Marine Conversion threads for what this might look like.

tigonesskay wrote:I'll work on in detail later of how it'll be done but I think COULD be possible...

It's science fiction. It's possible if you say it is.

Female Marines?

Sisters of Battle.

I'm all for the idea of female space marines. I think they would be plenty more efficient/powerful. Have you seen women in aerobics classes? They're fething amazing. And I'm not talking about step-aerobics either. Now combine THAT with organ augmentations... hella dope.


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Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Female Marines?

Sisters of Battle.

Not really... they're devoted warriors in power armor but they don't have the augmentations of Space Marines.

My bad. It's just they have the same statline as manly Spess Mehreenz that had me convinced of that.

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:My bad. It's just they have the same statline as manly Spess Mehreenz that had me convinced of that.

and isn't that awesome? We augment those battle betties and they'd be OP!

is it possible, given the current fluff and canon and background to have Adeptus Astartes that are Female and are still in strict accordance with the fluff? No, probably not.

Is it possible to have enhanced warriors with all fours on the statline, wear power armor and carry bolters? Of course. The galaxy is a big place, everybody is looking for an advantage, and it's not hard to think of a matriarchal society with advanced tech that is fighting off the Imperium with female super soldiers.

To avoid the worst of the nerd rage, avoid the following things:
1) Marines with breasts syndrom. I'm not saying it can't be done well, but odds are pretty high that female super soldiers in full power armor would look pretty indistinguishable from males.
2) Trying to shoehorn female marines into "official" canon. Yes, the fluff is your own, but it's not worth your time to convice us that, say, the Salamanders have an all female company.
3) "hey, maybe the missing legions were struck from the record because they were women"

so i herd da 1k Sonz wer all wominz butt dey all got blowd up by Arrimen

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:so i herd da 1k Sonz wer all wominz butt dey all got blowd up by Arrimen

OMG 1k Daughters! OP!

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:My bad. It's just they have the same statline as manly Spess Mehreenz that had me convinced of that.

SoB would be pretty OP if they had the same stats as SM.


SM bio-enhancements don't work on women because the background says so. You can't argue with it just like you can't argue with the C'tan hating chaos or the orks being spores. It's a 40k fact.

Technically, you could Count the sisters as Spehss Marines, but then again, you could do taht with Orks.....

I don't think it's possible......

The fluff doesn't support female Space Marines in any way, indeed going as far as to say they would die if implanted. This does not automatically mean it can't happen, however. If the gene seed of a chapter mutated so it worked with a female rather than a male then it's possible the High Lords of Terra would order a female Chapter made, so long as the Gene Seed was stable in all other regards. Rather than wasting precious Gene Seed...

However, even that isn't likely unless they're especially hard up for Marines. The other option is an experimental chapter from the Black Founding, which rather ties in.

The easiest way to do it is to use Chaos Marines though. There are any number of ways it could happen (Slannesh thought it would be funny, Tzeentch could do it because...well, whatever reason he had and Fabious Bile would likely do it Just Because)

Sisters of Battle are not Marines. They wear Power Armour but the rest of there statline is a Guard Veteran rather than a marine. It's like saying an Inquisitor is a Marine because he can wear power armour. Plus, of course, none of them have the various implants that make a Marine.

They just won't need the same implants as space marines and won't need the gene seed at all. They just have organs that are only keyed to female tissue types.
As far as their stats is concerned The SM will of course be stronger but since the females will be faster and my aglie they'll have a profile like this
WS-5 BS-5 S-3 T-3 W-1 I-6 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-3

Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:My bad. It's just they have the same statline as manly Spess Mehreenz that had me convinced of that.

Their stats are the same as a Guard Veteran (+ Power Armour), not Marines.

If you play CSM, just make them Slaneesh worshippers. Slanesh is capable of changing his/her gender, or even being both genders. Maybe all the sergeants are both genders, and as a gift, some marines are changed to females?

If anyone questions you on it, just say, "It's Chaos. It does what it wants. It doesn't have to make sense."

tigonesskay wrote:As far as their stats is concerned The SM will of course be stronger but since the females will be faster and my aglie they'll have a profile like this
WS-5 BS-5 S-3 T-3 W-1 I-6 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-3

That's just silly. Higher Initiative than Dark Eldar? The same Weapon and Ballistic Skill as their captains? Unmodified Strength and Toughness? (Or do you think regular women are S2 T2? And I5?)

Any bonus to being "faster and more agile" that women have is completely irrelevant on 40k's scale. Eldar are faster than anyone, but they don't even have those ridiculous stats on basic troops. Sisters of Battle are all women, and they just have all the same stats as guard veterans.

(Also, the fastest runners in the world are men more often than women.)

tigonesskay wrote:They just won't need the same implants as space marines and won't need the gene seed at all. They just have organs that are only keyed to female tissue types.
As far as their stats is concerned The SM will of course be stronger but since the females will be faster and my aglie they'll have a profile like this
WS-5 BS-5 S-3 T-3 W-1 I-6 A-1 Ld-8 Sv-3

Are you talking about rules, or fluff? Because that stat line would make your female super soldiers better than Eldar Aspect Warriors, or even arguably Harliquins. Women might be a bit more agile than men, but they are not more agile than Eldar, particularly not when stacked against Eldar women (Howling Banshees).

Also, to the background, keep in mind that most of 40k operates with an unreliable narrator. Female marines are impossible, to the best knowledge of the Adeptus Mechnicus, or even more likely, to the best knowledge of the Adept who was given this information by the AM, but that doesn't mean they are actually impossible. Even in real life, very little can be said to be truly impossible. Things might be impossible given current techniques, knowledge, understanding and technology, but there can always be advances that change things.

What's more likely is that there is simply no reason to create Female Space Marines. Why would anybody in the Imperium do this? Unless there's a particularly vicious warrior culture that only allows women to fight, why would they make the change to try to have female marines? Women can fight, I don't think anybody seriously doubts that, but human history includes few if any female warrior cultures outside of mythology, and that makes it less likely that there would be a female warrior population for a Chapter to draw from. (Of course, even there, it's possible that 38,000 years and the evolutionary stress of space travel and colonization could create such a culture).

I think the real question that needs to be asked in any Female SM situation is: Why do you want them? What is it that makes them appealing to you?

Real space marines goes through MANY process of extra implants with the most important gene seeds and black carapace . Sisters of battles and even initiates ( scouts )
dont even have any of those upgrades.

So sadly, only male Space Marines exists. But its ok , because Acts of faiths are so powerful too !

Polonius wrote:

What's more likely is that there is simply no reason to create Female Space Marines. Why would anybody in the Imperium do this? Unless there's a particularly vicious warrior culture that only allows women to fight, why would they make the change to try to have female marines? Women can fight, I don't think anybody seriously doubts that, but human history includes few if any female warrior cultures outside of mythology, and that makes it less likely that there would be a female warrior population for a Chapter to draw from. (Of course, even there, it's possible that 38,000 years and the evolutionary stress of space travel and colonization could create such a culture).

I think the real question that needs to be asked in any Female SM situation is: Why do you want them? What is it that makes them appealing to you?

Since it takes so long to make space marines the females would take far less time to create since they won't need all the organs that a space marine needs. Therefore you'll be able to have more of them. I had a hiccup when I put the profile I meant to put their initiative of 4 for regular troops and possibly 5 for elites. As far as background they could be 1. Former MIA sob's or female IG that got captured by dark elder or by chaos. They got "experimented" on. Only but a few of them survived the torture with their souls intacted. 2. IG females were turned into super soliders by accident. It could of been as of a result of a medical experiment or a vaccine or some other factor. Instead of letting a good thing go to waste the process was repeated and mastered.
As far as armor and appearance that's a tricky one. Just simply placing a femal head on space marine armor won't do. I thinking more of a cross between elder female armor, and the female inquistor armor.

Female space marines? sure, just dont give them giant breasts or hentai fluff. yes im looking at you doc thunder

To a point I actualy disagree with you tigonesskay. Now, it's possable there are no Female Space Marines because one of the genetic therapies used to create space marines has to interact with something on the Y chromasome to function. (though not likely, they're isn't much of anything on the Y chromasome)

However, if women could become Space Marines, I don't think they would look all that different in armor to males in armor. Assuming the organs and therapy work the same, the woman would gain mussle mass and increased bone structure (including height), fused rib cage, black carapase, etc. In the end, they'll look essentaly like a space marine, save for slighly narrower sholders and wider hips. As SM power armor isn't exactly formfitting, it'd make the most sense just to modify the bodysuit, and use the same armor for female marines as for male ones. Unless they're out of armor, there's not much reason to be able to tell the differance.

In my opinion, female Space Marines can happen. I think it actually should happen at some point.

it could be because of a gene seed screw-up, or a sister of battle wanted the SM therapy and made her own Chapter. idc how, I'm just saying it can and probably will happen.

I think I might actually write a short story on this.

ShadowAngel159 wrote:In my opinion, female Space Marines can happen. I think it actually should happen at some point.

it could be because of a gene seed screw-up, or a sister of battle wanted the SM therapy and made her own Chapter. idc how, I'm just saying it can and probably will happen.

I think I might actually write a short story on this.

1) It can't happen.
2) You will be ridiculed. Don't say you weren't warned.

Uhoh

GW says it can't happen, so it can't. End of discussion.

But really, why do you want female Space Marines? What's wrong with the Sisters?

Supersolder vs. not supersolder.

GWs been known to contradict their own fluff rather often, so it's really only a temperary end. But you are correct, GW's old fluff resorces do state it doesn't work on women. Not that that would stop me from playing someone with female marines.

Why do they have to be an exact copy of the male space marines? Couldn't they be just amped up SOB's or IG with a totally different procedure to enhance them?

Well, here's my question. Would you ever want to meet the female equivalant of Anngron?... I still have my theory's that s/he was just always experiencing her time of the month... But yeah, really? Really? This sound like a good idea? Why even bother?

I find it ironic that people don't realise that battle Nuns with freaking Flamethrowers are much cooler than Genetically Enhanced Chemically Controlled Super Warriors.

tigonesskay wrote:Why do they have to be an exact copy of the male space marines? Couldn't they be just amped up SOB's or IG with a totally different procedure to enhance them?

Their ability to "amp" stuff up is pretty much epitomized by the process Space Marines go through. A totally different procedure would most likely cost too much for too little benefit.

There are some enhanced warriors that still aren't space marines though; besides the various drugs and minor enhancements frequently given out to the IG, inquisitors, stormtroopers, and SOBs there are a whole bunch of upgrades made to the temple assassins. The problem is (a) these enhancements are mostly made in regards to the individual abilities a temple assassin needs to have, instead of the more general grab-bag of abilities space marines get, and (b) these enhancements are presumably so expensive that they can only be given to a very few people who are incredibly skilled and gifted. There seem to be quite a few other enhancements given to various Inquisitorial agents, but nothing that would put them at Space Marine level.

The other big one for enhanced warriors would be the Mechanicus Praetorians, although I think those are really a type of servitor, and are pretty far removed from a regular human.