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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Galef wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Am I the only one incensed that they are pointing out how unbalanced the eldar scatbikes are instead of fixing the friggin things?

How exactly do they fix them, with no arguments being able to be made for or against using an FAQ/Errata, without bringing out a new Codex?

Points costs have been adjusted by FAQ's before. The Final draft of the Eldar codex FAQ has yet to be released. Maybe if we wish hard enough, they will make Scatter lasers 20ppm (double what they are now) for Windriders. That is the easiest fix.

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Again, then you get arguments about whether or not people "have" to use FAQs/Erratas.

The simplest fix would be to release a new Eldar codex, with the Scatter Lasers bumped up in price. But even then you'll get people arguing "I don't have to buy the new Eldar book, I can just use the old one! All it did was change Scatter Lasers in cost!".

If somebody is bound and determined not to use the rules, then there's really nothing you can do but not play against them. And I've literally never heard of anyone doing the latter. Like, ever.

I mean, there are good arguments against bringing out another Eldar codex just to adjust the point cost of one model (like that being a crazy waste of resources), but "people won't use it" isn't really one of them.

So when are those Traitor Legions leaks coming?

Requizen wrote:
So when are those Traitor Legions leaks coming?

Leaks should be hitting any day now.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Requizen wrote:
So when are those Traitor Legions leaks coming?

Leaks should be hitting any day now.

THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID LAST WEEK! I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE! I NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED IIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTT!

Seriously, preorders are Saturday and none of the people who currently have the book have leaked anything. I expect there to be an explosion of info when the preorder drops and the reviews come out.

I've been reading we'll see review copy leaks tomorrow night.

I'm really only interested in the Command formation "Omniscient Oracles", Fatey, 1-3 LoC. I wish it can be a part of the Daemonic incursion detachment

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I've been reading we'll see review copy leaks tomorrow night.

Well, not really a leak I guess, just review

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I've been reading we'll see review copy leaks tomorrow night.

Wonder if it has to be GMT, because it's Friday somewhere right now.

 SonsofVulkan wrote:
I'm really only interested in the Command formation "Omniscient Oracles", Fatey, 1-3 LoC. I wish it can be a part of the Daemonic incursion detachment

Even without being part of the Incursion, it probably will replace many Tetrads for several reasons
A) it doesn't require 4 FMCs, so if you just wanna do 3 it's more flexible and less expensive
B) All Tzeentch is probably better that 1 of each
C) LoC are always T6, even if you lose a model, making LoC have more durability than DPs. Plud they have more wounds
D) It has Fateweaver

I could go on, but you get the point

Honestly a Omniscient Oracles formation with FW + 3 LoCs will be cheaper than an average Tetrad and may allow a decent Warpflame Host Incursion
That list is terrifying.

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 VeteranNoob wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
I've been reading we'll see review copy leaks tomorrow night.

Well, not really a leak I guess, just review

You like to tease, don't you? Don't let that power go to your head

I can't blame the people holding review copies, it's really good that that is a thing (how do you go about getting those?). I wouldn't want them to spoil anyhting beyond what they are allowed. But I'm disapointed in the rogue elements not having any kind of insight at all XD

Here y'go, lads.

Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

His dataslate page got leaked and has a 4+ in the statline.

Edit: it's right above you.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

I don't see why he couldn't have a 4+ even if he doesn't have wargear that specifically gives him it. Nothing in his wargear makes him his WS/BS/T/I

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

His profile gives him an armor save of 4+.

"Nothing in his wargear gives him an armor save" isn't a thing.

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

he has both 4+ armor and 4+ invuln before any formations granting bonuses.


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 Roknar wrote:
I can't blame the people holding review copies, it's really good that that is a thing (how do you go about getting those?). I wouldn't want them to spoil anyhting beyond what they are allowed. But I'm disapointed in the rogue elements not having any kind of insight at all XD

My review will go up tomorrow night after pre-orders go live in the East. Sorry, but it's just not worth jeopardizing my relationship with GW and breaking my agreement. Some do and pics get leaked, but I'm sure you understand why we (I at least) stick to the rules.

 kronk wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

His profile gives him an armor save of 4+.

"Nothing in his wargear gives him an armor save" isn't a thing.

I have never come across a model that has an armour save that doesn't have wargear or a special rule that gives it to them, just seems strange. :/

 mrhappyface wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

His profile gives him an armor save of 4+.

"Nothing in his wargear gives him an armor save" isn't a thing.

I have never come across a model that has an armour save that doesn't have wargear or a special rule that gives it to them, just seems strange. :/

Do you not own any modern Codex? Very few of them list any sort of armour in their wargear. Codex Space Marines is an example of that.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

His profile gives him an armor save of 4+.

"Nothing in his wargear gives him an armor save" isn't a thing.

I have never come across a model that has an armour save that doesn't have wargear or a special rule that gives it to them, just seems strange. :/

Necrons.

 mrhappyface wrote:

I have never come across a model that has an armour save that doesn't have wargear or a special rule that gives it to them, just seems strange. :/

Check most of the Necron codex. Warriors have a 4+, yet the only wargear the have is their guns, same with Immortals with their 3+.
I think Bloodletters, Bloodcrushers & Fleshhounds have a 6+ on their profile, but no wargear giving them that.

It used to be incredibly common for models to simply have an armour save, but no wargear granting it. It is only the last 2 editions that unit entries have spammed wargear the grant armour saves.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Do you not own any modern Codex? Very few of them list any sort of armour in their wargear. Codex Space Marines is an example of that.

While I agree with your point, most of the modern codices do in fact have wargear armour save. Certainly all of the loyalist Marines, Eldar, heck even Dark Eldar which have pathetic saves have wargear or special rules granting those.

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Gw was smart when giving him that 4+ armor save. They knew it was a middle finger to their poster boy loyalists and their grav and did it anyway. Thumbs up gw!

Meh, so scarab occult can't be used in terminator formations.

Guh. Exalted sorcerors can only take force staves. Dull.

 Galef wrote:

 JNAProductions wrote:

Do you not own any modern Codex? Very few of them list any sort of armour in their wargear. Codex Space Marines is an example of that.

While I agree with your point, most of the modern codices do in fact have wargear armour save. Certainly all of the loyalist Marines, Eldar, heck even Dark Eldar which have pathetic saves have wargear or special rules granting those.

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They have wargear listed in the Armory section, but not in, say, the Tactical Marine's wargear.

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
Can someone confirm if Magnus has a 4+ armour save or is it just the 4+ invul? Some people are saying he has a 4+ armour because it says save: 4+ but nothing in his wargear gives him an armour save.

he has both 4+ armor and 4+ invuln before any formations granting bonuses.


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 Roknar wrote:
I can't blame the people holding review copies, it's really good that that is a thing (how do you go about getting those?). I wouldn't want them to spoil anyhting beyond what they are allowed. But I'm disapointed in the rogue elements not having any kind of insight at all XD

My review will go up tomorrow night after pre-orders go live in the East. Sorry, but it's just not worth jeopardizing my relationship with GW and breaking my agreement. Some do and pics get leaked, but I'm sure you understand why we (I at least) stick to the rules.

No need to apologize. Like I said, I'd rather you honor your agreement with GW .
Doesn't mean I wouldn't read leaks from other less reputable sources though


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Captyn_Bob wrote:
Guh. Exalted sorcerors can only take force staves. Dull.

Yea, some of their options or rather lack thereof seem puzzling.
They don't even have access to melee weapons, so you can't give them a claw or anything. No melta bombs and sadly no terminator armour....while the lower ranking generic sorcerer do.
They're kind of a mixed bag.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Here y'go, lads.

Thanks for share. But, daemons things please?

zamerion wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
Here y'go, lads.

Thanks for share. But, daemons things please?

Ah yea, thanks for sharing. I missed that in my dissapointment

I don't have the book, I'm simply a messenger that works a desk job and has a lot of time to catch the leaks from all over as they show up. Sorry, nerds!

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Gw was smart when giving him that 4+ armor save. They knew it was a middle finger to their poster boy loyalists and their grav and did it anyway. Thumbs up gw!

Why is giving a 4+ armor save a middle finger to poster boy loyalists when giving him NO armor save would be even more effective at making Grav less powerful without really affecting Magnus' durability?