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I'd like some clarification on the BT LRCs. They seem to be lacking some of the essential rules in their codex (such as assault vehicle). Also, are they supposed to use their own rules for power of the machine spirit, or do they make use of the new space marine rules?

They are not lacking them GW never gave them it. (I know stupid). You also use their own rules for power of the machine spirit.

So the black templar LRC is treated the same as any other transport regarding disembarkation?

Klausmasterflex wrote:So the black templar LRC is treated the same as any other transport regarding disembarkation?

afraid so

Even with the so called 'assault ramp'? That kinda blows considering they invented the LRC...

It's a problem because the 'assault vehicle' rule is a new one that was invented and place in the codex SM.

Yeah RAW Black Templars cannot assault out of their landraiders.

Which is slowed.

Assault Ramp does nothing.

The official german FAQ from GW (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) says that you can assault out of it.

Of course, RAW, you can only use it if you're German, playing in Germany, with a German copy of rules. Obviously.

Pg 42 of the BT codex, under the Frag Assault Launchers, it specifically states that any unit that charges on the same turn the unit disembark from the Crusader will count as having frag grenades.

So while the entry itself does not state that a BT Crusader is an assault vehicle, the entry does imply that it is an assault vehicle. As such and in fairness, BT Crusaders should be counted as assault vehicles. Unfortunately, we cannot say the same for their Godhammers.

SJ

This is due to the assault ramp rules being in the main rule book at the time the BT codex was released, correct? It is safe to assume that their raiders were intended to be assault vehicles and that this is just a huge RAW screw up on GWs part?

jeffersonian000 wrote:Pg 42 of the BT codex, under the Frag Assault Launchers, it specifically states that any unit that charges on the same turn the unit disembark from the Crusader will count as having frag grenades.

So while the entry itself does not state that a BT Crusader is an assault vehicle, the entry does imply that it is an assault vehicle. As such and in fairness, BT Crusaders should be counted as assault vehicles. Unfortunately, we cannot say the same for their Godhammers.

SJ

Nothing about assault launchers makes it okay to assault from a moving vehicle. They cause your unit to count as having frags if you assault from it (which you can do if it didn't move).

Agree regarding spirit though. I mean why would the hand to hand marines not be able to assault out of their vehicles? Other than if they're all dead and broken when is what happens when I play against BT

Gabe wrote:The official german FAQ from GW (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) says that you can assault out of it.

Of course, RAW, you can only use it if you're German, playing in Germany, with a German copy of rules. Obviously.

Because the german FAQ says it applies to the english codex, doesn't that mean they actually can assault? Templars won our local ard boyz, and this was entirely due to many land raiders with assaults launched out of them, so it is an important issue, and even so I can't find anywhere in the rules where it says that a foreign language affects the validity of the FAQs.

Gabe wrote:The official german FAQ from GW (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2530040_Errata_Codex-Black_Templars.pdf) says that you can assault out of it.

Of course, RAW, you can only use it if you're German, playing in Germany, with a German copy of rules. Obviously.

It may help to read the pdf...

Obviously the land raider is part of the errata, not the Faq section of this PDF.
Please notice is says german/english codex, therefore will be applied to both.

As much as i like the option to get better rules, i am sorry anything mentioned to apply to both sources can be used not only by us.

I think its funny they have different faqs / erratas for different countries.

Someone should complile them and translate.

It has to do with translating different languages. There are common use term in each language that has no meaning in another language. This is, also, why humor varies according to language.

Hollismason wrote:I think its funny they have different faqs / erratas for different countries.

Someone should complile them and translate.

focusedfire wrote:It has to do with translating different languages. There are common use term in each language that has no meaning in another language. This is, also, why humor varies according to language.

Shouldn't a customer expect to get the same "answer" if GW has only 1 merged worldwide available web-presence?

I would assume an errata is written in english and translated then, but BT seem to have a german errata / faq vs an english faq.

OTOH i cant complain since i get the errata...

BoT:

LR are always equipped with the assault ramp ( as per the model ), i don't see a reason to deny any LR-passenger to assault.

During the edition the BT codex was released I think you could assault out of vehicles? or am I out to lunch? If it is the case thats probably the reason it does not have the "assault vehicle" rule. They should imo tho.

Twalks wrote:During the edition the BT codex was released I think you could assault out of vehicles? or am I out to lunch? If it is the case thats probably the reason it does not have the "assault vehicle" rule. They should imo tho.

No there wasn't a rule even in 4th to do it. I think its just a case of people not reading their own rules. Its easy enough to do, hell all LR are LR right?

Actually im not sure on this anymore, it makes sense but then.. what about all the gimp storm shields people have in these armies?