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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

I attended the Semi at 3 Geeks in Bangor, Maine. It was a pretty good crowd. 18-20 players, some from as far away as White Plains, NY, Cape Cod, and so forth. I came up from Manchester, NH, which meant about 4.5 hrs of driving. Thankfully I have a friend in Portland who was attending, so we drove up Friday afternoon, he took the wheel from Portland to Bangor, and we got in a practice game Friday evening.

Friday night’s practice game was pretty tough. My friend was playing IG infantry horde, and it’s just a brutal, brutal list. We played Mission 1, which is his only tough mission of the 3, and I managed to get the win. He concluded that movement trays were an absolute necessity for his 50+ man guard units, and they really did help him play very quickly. We both had hopes of representing well for our tournament team, Cold Steel Mercenaries.

3 Geeks is a nice store, with nice guys. They had plenty of space, but unfortunately were a bit short on terrain. It’s nothing that a few hours with 2” insulation foam and a hot wire couldn’t fix, but for some reason they haven’t invested the effort yet. Probably because they usually don’t need to fill this many tables at once.

The armies I can remember were:
4 SM (mostly mech, but one infantry horde w 20 terms + vindis & speeders for support)
4 CSM w/double lash or lash+ abaddon (mostly mech, lots of oblits but also some LRs & defilers mixed in)
3 Eldar (mech & mixed)
2 IG (one tank & valk heavy, the other a 250+ model infantry horde with a few chimeras)
2 Tau
1? Ork (might have been another; the one I know of was a pretty standard mixed list)
1 Tyranid (mostly monsters, 2 walking tyrants w/full guard squads, 4 x stealers, 2x 23 or 24 termagaunts, acid biovores)

I brought DP + sorc + Greater daemon double lash chaos, big squad of termies, 6 oblits, LR, several squads of CSMs in Rhinos (except for the one in the Raider). I usually use no cult troops, but threw in a small squad of noise marines as an extra scoring unit. My usual squad of 8 lesser daemons as well.

Round 1

I got a lucky draw against the infantry horde Marines. This actually could have been a challenging game if he had more terrain and played more defensively, such as setting up defense in depth using the vindis and termies to limit my access to his Troops, and maybe gotten a couple of lucky first turn transport pops with his speeders. Alas for him I got first turn, immediately immobilized one vindi, stunned/weap destroyed the other, and started killing speeders. He blew two casting rolls to Libby Gate his termies into my lines, and I gradually pulled him apart with lash, oblits, and assaults here and there, as he advanced somewhat futilely towards me. I could never quite finish off the vindis, but between the three speeders, 2 of the 6 ten man tac squads, the two full termie squads + librarian, I got 17 KPs. He killed my prince (bad saves), a rhino, a squad of oblits and my terminators (bad saves, again). 17/6kps = massacre, got 2 bonus points. Got about 1875vps, giving up about 870.

My opponent was very pleasant but clearly has not played in a lot of tournaments. Out of 2.5 hrs I would estimate my turns took at most a total of 45min. And we got finished just under the buzzer. He did have a lot of infantry models to move, but he wasted a great deal of time during this game. Still, it did seem to be simply an issue of insufficient practice/experience, not deliberate slow playing.

Round 2

Up against marines again, but this time clearly a very experienced and confident tournament player. He was a pleasant guy, very positive and high-energy, also documenting the game with the video function on his camera. He ran, roughly: Shrike w/10 assault termies, Null Zone libby in landraider w/5 man assault termies, 10 tacs w/las, flamer in rhino, 10 tacs w/las, melta in rhino, 5 tacs in twin-las razor, 3 squads of 3 LS Typhoons- two with missiles & HB, one squad w/HB & multimeltas. This was a very tight game. My opponent played a solid, aggressive style, pushing me on the back foot and keeping me from making much forward progress for the first few turns. I had a couple of points of luck- one, generally good armor saves (except right at the end), and two, he never stopped my Lash in three castings with the hood in range. I had some bad luck too, including my landraider immobilizing itself on dead speeders in my own DZ, and failing all my armor saves to lose a small three man squad holding one of the objectives at the end. Overall the dice were pretty even. This battle was all over the table, and I gradually ground it out, pounding the termies and speeders, and barely reaching any of his scoring units at the end. I had second move, so I was able to kill the last speeder contesting the only objective on my side of the table, lash one of his ten man squads off the objective my three man squad almost held, and kill everything he had around the other objective on his side. Though sadly I needed to Run about 4” with a tac squad to hold that objective, and rolled a 1. So I won 1 objective to 0, though inches and a single save away from getting all three. I did have more KPs as well, so got the massacre. This time only +1, IIRC. Got about 2200vps, giving up around 1000.

Overall this was a very tight, exciting game. My only disappointment was that my opponent, despite clearly being a very experienced and skilled player, repeatedly engaged in dubious claims about the rules. We had ~10 different disputes that were solved with easy reference to the rulebook or the FAQ, virtually all of which he had wrong. He attempted things like claiming a cover save against Lash, telling me that my Greater Daemon had to Deep Strike, and insisting that the FAQ entry re: a new unit assaulting into an existing combat had reversed how the rule works (as opposed to just adding a third bullet point expanding it). I could not say for sure that he was genuinely attempting to cheat, but the sheer volume of dubious claims made for a fairly sad and disappointing impression. In fairness, on turns 1 & 2 we both forgot that my possessed landraider was only BS3, and he was gentlemanly about my moronic error.

We were on table 2 for this game, and could hear some unpleasantness from table 1 (the players seemingly could not agree on anything, and only got in 2-3 turns), but did finally hear that it came out a massacre as well. So I knew that the winner was probably ahead of me on points, as we both had had two massacres, but he must have had more bonus points.

Round 3

This was against the tyranid player. He seemed a very nice guy, though clearly more in it for the gaming than the modeling. His army had very little painted, and one of his carnifexes was actually just spare bits from a carnifex (claw, fun, tail, head) with a bit of green stuff on a base. About an inch or so tall. We discussed it briefly and easily agreed that it would count as the size of one of the real carnifexes for purposes of LOS. This was a tough mission against his army. I did get second turn, as I wanted, but he rapidly advanced almost his entire army to sit on the center objective, which was also well-screened by a thick wood, for plenty of 4+ cover. He Outflanked with his four 8 man stealer squads, planning to get into my back shooting units where possible (wound up killing my Daemon Prince but nothing else), and otherwise to hold quadrants for the secondary objective. He had squads of 23 and 24 termagaunts for objective-holding, and the monstrous creatures to provide the punch. Instead of the traditional Dakkafexes he used three 113pt fexes with Barbed Stranglers, so they had pie plates and longer range. He had a T7 5W carni with strangler and deathspitter as well. He used three acid biovores hiding in the back to bombard my Rhinos and attempt to kill any squads that left themselves exposed. His two walking tyrants with full guard had twin-linked devourers and Psychic Scream. He also had three zoanthropes with warp blast and psychic scream. This game largely came down to me lashing stuff where I needed to, and concentrating fire on the big bugs, as I knew I could clear the little ones with minimal assault power (and a little light shooting for the stealers). My opponent did not seem to be stalling, but the game did proceed slowly, and we only got in five turns within the time allotted, with no time to even roll Random Game Length.

At the end of the game he had his biovores in the back, one carnifex guarding them, a squad and a half of stealers running away from me to hold quadrants, and a carnifex and zoanthrope sitting on the objective. I lashed the zoanthrope off, as the Carni was in combat with one of my CSM squads. I failed to roll the 5 or 6 I needed to assault the carni with a full squad of oblits. Failed to roll the 4 or 5 I needed to get a second CSM squad with Fist onto him. And failed to roll the 5+ I needed to get my greater daemon onto him. This last was my fault, as if I had simply Run my Lesser Daemons a single inch, they would have been able to get out of the way and give my GD a 4” path to reach the carni. And I did roll a 4 for the GD’s diff terrain. So I needed to play better there. Anyway, I still had most of my army, and was in three of the four quadrants with scoring units. I picked up the Minor, holding three quadrants to his 1. If I had played a bit better, or managed to get a sixth turn, I would probably have had the massacre. VPs (not that they mattered in this round) were 1804 to around 700.

I was biting my nails a bit, as two Eldar players were on table 2, and one of them eked out his third Major win. So battle points would be fairly close.

At the end I had enough points to clinch the win, with the Eldar player in 2nd, and my third round Tyranid opponent taking 3rd. Orks were 4th, and my friend’s horde IG were 5th, thanks to his 3rd round opponent playing utter stallhammer. If my friend’s 3rd round opponent had played at a normal pace and not deliberately stalled, the horde IG would have gotten a Massacre and taken 2nd. It is very sad what some people will resort to. Being a good competitive player is sometimes also about losing with grace. The best competitors also display good sportsmanship.

Random note: I always enjoy reporting how my Lesser Daemons do, as they’re widely panned. I chose not to bring the two squads of 18 I brought in the local qualifier, as I was concerned that too much Difficult Terrain would spell their doom. I needn’t have worried, as it turned out, with the light terrain at 3 Geeks. My 8 girl squad did very nicely. In game 1 they came in too early and had to hide in the corner, but they did that just fine. In game 2 they joined forces with the Greater Daemon to beat down the remnants of the 10 man assault Termie squad and finish off Shrike (they actually did the final wound). In game 3 they assaulted and eventually destroyed one of the Gaunt squads, in the process dealing two wounds to a Hive Tyrant (who counter-assaulted) due to No Retreat. Good times.

So far I have enjoyed my first experience with the ‘ard Boyz, but have to say that overall it is not quite as much fun as regular tournaments. Playing with heavy prize support, but no painting or sportsmanship, seems to invite and encourage the worst elements of the competitive side of our hobby. And I miss seeing more fully and nicely painted armies, though there were at least 2-3 at this event. I’m on the fence about going to Chicago. If I’m going to encounter behavior like my friend’s 3rd game, it’s a waste of time and money. But OTOH, I may well encounter some of the great players who DO display sportsmanship. Guys like 40kenthus, PlayerA, Clay Williams, and the like. Games against folks like that are amazing. Games like the one I had in round 2 (rules questions aside) are awesome games. And may be worth the risk.

Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
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Painlord Titan Princeps of Slaanesh






Dallas, TX

I say go. Usually the players that are the worst aren't the players that win, they just drag down others that deserve to.

Plus, I've noticed a definite LACK amongst the gaming stores around the country to put their foot down on disqualifications. That guy that obviously and deliberately stalled, for instance, should have been disqualified. At an unnamed location where my friend played, a player refused to listen to the judge when they said the game was over on game 2, because there was less than 10 minutes left and they wouldn't be able to play two full turns, one for him and one for my buddy.

Hopefully, at the real GW HQ, there will be a more watchful eye to ensure the worse players get their just desserts.


There is an aspect of disappointment with 'ard boyz though. I remember a conversation with my friend afterwards that went like this:

me: "Yeah I could have called him on it, but it wasn't that big a deal."

him: "It cost you that assault! You should have put your foot down."

"It might have gone that way anyway, I didn't want to be a jerk about the whole thing."

"Why not? There's no sportsmanship."

Apparently for him, no sports score encourages him to be a jerk about things. Sad to see.

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far away from Battle Creek, Michigan

I think you should expect the behavior to be the same or worse in Chicago.

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Well done for surviving what to me sounds like some of the worst or close to anyway, tournament conditions.



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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

Thank you, gentlemen. It was definitely a challenge, though I think I evaded the worst of it, as I didn’t eat the true slowhammer garbage like my friend. I’m usually not one for letting rules issues slide, and the willingness and ability to pull the rulebook or the FAQ really quickly and show the point certainly came in handy multiple times. It's certainly possible to do it politely, without being a jerk.

What I will probably have to do (if I go to Chicago) is time the turns, and count the rules problems/questions and who was right how many times. That way I have numbers if I need to call a judge due to shenanigans.

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Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.

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Yes I think you should do that. I'd bet you'll find there will be surprisingly few problems.
   
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Congrats Ragnar. See you in Chicago.

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Congrats again Ragnar. I was there as well (with the urban Tau on the display board) and there were quite a few sore sports in the mix. I witnessed quite a few heated rules disputes going on at that tournament. My third round player literally screamed at me that he could multi-charge two of my suit squads when in fact, he could not. I let him have it because the poor guy looked like he was going to have an anuerism. Also, we were both out of the top 5 by a long shot. He also took his time and made sure that his 180+ Orks were at max coherency...

Terrain was another issue there... when you play an army of primarily T3 4+ save models and there's no cover... it wasn't pretty.

Overall, I had fun at 3 Geek, but I won't be going there for another tournament. I'll stick to Crossrad Games in Standish. Better terrain, better sportsmanship (even at the prelims), and just an all-round more relaxed atmosphere.

 
   
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Sinewy Scourge




Murfreesboro, TN

olympia wrote:I think you should expect the behavior to be the same or worse in Chicago.


I hope not! My semi's experience was spectacular, not a single issue that couldn't be quickly solved by opening a rule book and no hurt feelings. I can only hope that by this point most of the whinners and people of dubious character have been weeded out.

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I am sorry to hear that the people held the games back so much; I live in Orono, ME and am hoping to get my SM army over to 3Geek sometime (so far I have only played against my friends who use my ~1000pt Ork army and need me to refresh them on the rules every god damn turn, haha). Here's to hoping I have better luck with my opponents.

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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

Sgt. Scruffy- thanks! Your Tau looked awesome. I can certainly understand how you felt about the terrain. Hopefully they'll decide to do something about it soon. Seriously, $100 for foam and paint, and a single afternoon's work with a hot wire, would give them plenty of hills to stock those tables with some LOS blocking. Oh well.

Lt. Cobalt- I don't think slow-playing is the norm out there. IME most tournament players are very happy to play at a reasonable pace. The guys at 3 Geeks were very nice. I think it'd be well worth your while to check out the store. I will say I really liked Crossroad Games down in (is it Standish, or Berwick?) when I went there for a tournament one time. Nice, spacious store, good friendly people, and mostly quite nice terrain.

Adepticon 2015: Team Tourney Best Imperial Team- Team Ironguts, Adepticon 2014: Team Tourney 6th/120, Best Imperial Team- Cold Steel Mercs 2, 40k Championship Qualifier ~25/226
More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
DT:70S++++G(FAQ)M++B++I+Pw40k99#+D+++A+++/sWD105R+++T(T)DM+++++
A better way to score Sportsmanship in tournaments
The 40K Rulebook & Codex FAQs. You should have these bookmarked if you play this game.
The Dakka Dakka Forum Rules You agreed to abide by these when you signed up.

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Oh don't get me wrong, I have made purchases from 3Geek and found the people there to be very helpful and friendly; I just have never had the opportunity to get my army over there for an actual game.

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Brownville, ME

I was one of the guys kicking around at 3 Geek, *the big with the long chin hair*, the whole terrain thing was to keep it more of a GT feel, terrain having an impact, but as far as LOS blocking, with the new rules its almost impossible to actually block anything from line of sight.
   
 
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