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Made in gb
Hanging Out with Russ until Wolftime







Gwar!'s Wondificent Army Rosters (Now with 33% more Randomness)
Part 1: Smallest Army by Model Count)

Hello and welcome to the first instalment of Gwar!'s Wondificent Army Rosters (GWAR), updated whenever I can be arsed to do so.

What in the name of the Allfather is the GWAR?
The GWAR are a series of Army roster lists exploring the extremes of Army Rosters (Smallest, Largest, Cheapest etc. etc.). I am making these lists merely because I can and because I enjoy knowing these things for the sake of knowing them. It is also interesting to see the large variances in codex design and for seeing how the older codices fare again the newer ones.

Why in Russ' name should I read this crap?
Well, because it is interesting. It's mostly knowledge for the sake of knowledge. Read it or don't, I'm not gonna mind (Much -Cries-)

Where can I send suggestions/fanmail/hatemail/Pandas/licorice?
Just shoot me an e-mail or catch me on Skype. Any and all criticism is welcome

And Now for Something Completely Different (That is, Clear Rules and Iron Clad Clarifications)
1) This list is based of physical model count. It does not have criteria on Points, FoC Slots or IRL Cash Price (those are for later lists).
2) Swarm Bases count as 1 Model for the Purposes of these lists (For example, a Ripper Swarm of 3 Bases counts as 3 Models).
3) While I will be posting the total points costs of the rosters, I will not be posting the individual points costs or (in general) the equipment of units. This is to prevent Games Workshop Attack Pandas from, well, attacking.
4) For the sake of completeness, the rosters will contain not one total points cost, but two. The first will be the Lowest Points possible points cost (No Upgrades or the Cheapest Mandatory Upgrades/Wargear. This will be referred to forthwith as "Low End") and the Highest (Most Expensive Weapons and Wargear Combination/Maxed out Points cost. This will be referred forthwith as "High End").
5) Similarly, where there is a tie for the lowest Number of models for a slot (Most often in the Case of HQ's) I will use the Cheapest Option with the No/Cheapest Mandatory Upgrades/Wargear for the Low End Roster, while using the Most Expensive Weapons and Wargear Combination/Maxed out Points cost in the High End Roster.
6) Where an choice of unit would result in a cheaper unit, but more models, the more expensive, less models option is chosen, even for the Low End Roster.
7) For the Purposes of these lists, all points level restrictions on legacy codex Special Characters have been lifted.
8) In addition to the above basic rules, any army specific notes I feel need to be added will be placed just after the heading of each roster.
9) Please PM me to let me know of any mistakes that have crept in, otherwise I will set my Reprogrammed Games Workshop Attack Bamboo on you! You know who you are!
10) In order to maintain a level of consistency, I shall be making lists only for the "Current" Codices. However, in the cases of codices that make more than one sort of army, in which case I will post rosters for a "Mixed" full codex army, and a "Variant" List army. For example, Dark Angels can make a Mixed Dark Angel force, a Pure Ravenwing Force or a Pure Deathwing Force. Where necessary the definitions for the “Variant” army will be detailed in the preceding roster notes.

IMPORTANT NOTE: As this is the first in the Series, please bear with me as we go through teething problems like figuring out the best way to display it all. If you have any suggestions, ideas or even hatemail, send me a PM. Though if you send me hatemail I'll set the Bamboo on you!

The list of Rosters to be included in the GWAR series are:
Codex: Black Templars
Codex: Blood Angels
Codex: Chaos Dæmons
Codex: Chaos Space Marines
Codex: Dæmonhunters (Mixed)
Codex: Dæmonhunters (Pure Grey Knights)
Codex: Dark Angels (Battle Company)
Codex: Dark Angels (Pure Deathwing)
Codex: Dark Angels (Pure Ravenwing)
Codex: Dark Eldar (Kabal)
Codex: Dark Eldar (Wytch Cult)
Codex: Eldar
Codex: Imperial Guard
Codex: Necrons
Codex: Orks
Codex: Space Marines
Codex: Space Wolves
Codex: Tau Empire (Sept Worlds)
Codex: Tau Empire (Farsight Enclaves)
Codex: Tyranids
Codex: Witch Hunters (Mixed)
Codex: Witch Hunters (Pure Adepta Sororitas)

[A word on the formatting
In order to reduce the amount of repeated data, it is necessary to utilise two different formats for the rosters.
The first one consists of the Low End Roster with the points cost at the end, followed by the High End Roster with the points cost at the end. This is the format used when any unit differs between the two rosters (Most commonly in the case of HQ units).
The second consists of a single roster, with both the Low End and the High End points costs placed together that the end. This is the format used when the models do not change between the Low End and High End rosters.


OK Gwar!, I'll bite! What armies are you doing?
In order to maintain a level of consistency, I shall be making lists only for the "Current" and “Official” Codices (So no BoLS Armies and no 3rd edition Tau lists for example). However, in the cases of codices that make more than one sort of army, in which case I will post rosters for a "Mixed" full codex army, and a "Variant" List army. For example, Dark Angels can make a Mixed Dark Angel force, a Pure Ravenwing Force or a Pure Deathwing Force. Where necessary the definitions for the “Variant” army will be detailed in the preceding roster notes.

This is beginning to sound interesting. Will you be updating these or are you going to give them the Dark Eldar treatment?
Unlike GW, I care about making sure things stay current. As such, I will try and keep the lists updated as codices are released and with each new list, will go back and amend minor formatting changes and definition changes as needed.

So, without further ado, lets get this started!
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In joint 21st place are:
Necrons and Witch Hunters (Pure Adepta Sororitas)!
Well, here we are, with the losers. Each of these codices are, of course, ancient 3rd edition ones and have a minimum limit of 10 on their only Troops Units, resulting is a Minimum Model Count of Twenty One Models.
Hows that for prefect Placement! Armies that need 21 models coming in Joint 21st place.
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Necrons
Low End Roster:
HQ: Necron Lord
Troops: Two 10 Necron Warrior Squads
Points: 460

High End Roster:
HQ: Nightbringer
Troops: Two 10 Necron Warrior Squads
Points: 760
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Witch Hunters (Pure Adepta Sororitas):
Low End Roster:
HQ: Palatine
Troops: Two 10 Strong Battle Sisters Squads
Points: 255

High End Roster:
HQ: Saint Celestine, Hieromartyr of the Palatine Crusade
Troops: Two 10 Strong Battle Sisters Squads
Points: 837
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In 20th place it's:
The Imperial Guard!
Yes, the Imperial Guard languish in second to last place, all on their lonesome with a rather unique nineteen model minimum. The reason for this oddness is because of the way Heavy Weapon Teams are represented now. Whereas before it was 2 models, now it is only the one, resulting in Two 9 Man Squads plus and HQ Character. How very interesting!
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Imperial Guard
Low End Roster:
HQ: Lord Commissar (or Primaris Psyker)
Troops: Two Veteran Squads with 7 Veterans, a Veteran Sergeant and a Veteran Weapons Team
Points: 220

High End Roster:
HQ: Commissar Yarrick
Troops:
Veteran Squad with 7 Veterans, a Veteran Weapons Team and Sergeant Baston
Veteran Squad with 7 Veterans, a Veteran Weapons Team and Gunnery Sergeant Harker
Points: 740

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And all on their lonesome at 19th is:
The T'au Empire (Farsight Enclaves)!
Ah yes, the T'au, loved by few, reviled by many, including every Necron, Inquisition and Dark Eldar player in the world, although not without a hint of bitter-sweet joy, as the update to 5th edition hit T'au relatively hard. With the second Codex, Farsight admittedly got a bit of a buff, but remains a paradoxical mystery, emphasising close combat while being part of the most non-close combat craving list in the game. In any case, the Farsight Enclaves list resides here, in 19th place, with an also unique minimum of 14 Models. This is because you are required to take at least one elite Crisis Battlesuit squad. How very interesting (again)!
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Tau Empire (Farsight Enclaves)
Note: While Commander Farsight technically cannot fulfil the 1+ Commander requirement, the GW FAQ states that he may, so for the purposes of these lists, he shall fulfil this requirement. Furthermore, the Hard-Wired Drone controller has not been included in the High End Roster, as it forces additional models to be taken.

HQ: Commander Farsight
Elites: 1 Crisis Battlesuit
Troops: Two 6 Tau Fire Warrior Squads
Points: Low – 327, High – 578
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Welcome to 16th place. Sharing the honour of this award goes to:
The Dark Eldar and The Tau Empire (Sept Worlds)!
Yes indeed, as we get towards the middle numbers more and more armies will be sharing places I promise you that! Nothing really extraordinary about these armies, other than they have 6 Model Minimums for their troops rather than the usual 5 or 10, resulting in a 13 model minimum army. Ok, Ok! Dark Eldar technically have a minimum of 5, they have to buy a transport as well.
So without further ado, the two rosters for your viewing pleasure:
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Dark Eldar (Kabal)
Note: For the purposes of these lists, the Dark Eldar “Kabal” Army is defined as a Dark Eldar Army that does not have a Wyche Lord leading it. Furthermore, while the Fluff behind Asdrubael Vect indicates it consists of him and his retinue, it is one model for game purposes, so is thus included in the High End Roster.

Low End Roster:
HQ: One Haemonculus
Troops: Two 5 Eldar Raider Squads with Raider
Points: 215

High End Roster:
HQ: Asdrubael Vect
Troops: Two 5 Eldar Raider Squads with Raider
Points: 939
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Tau Empire (Sept Worlds)
Note: Neither Aun'Va nor Shadowsun are eligible for this roster as they force you to take additional Models. Furthermore, the Hard-Wired Drone controller has not been included in the High End Roster, as it forces additional models to be taken.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Shas'el
Troops: Two 6 Tau Fire Warrior Squads
Points: 182

High End Roster:
HQ: Shas'o
Troops: Two 6 Tau Fire Warrior Squads
Points: 463
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And with the easy bit done, allow me to welcome to... joint 6th place, shared by no less than nine different Armies, namely Black Templars, Chaos Space Marines, Dæmonhunters (Mixed), Dæmonhunters (Pure Grey Knights), Dark Angels (Mixed), Dark Angels (Pure Deathwing), Dark Eldar (Wyche Cult), Space Marines and finaly Witch Hunters (Mixed). Yes, as it turns out, a lot of armies have five models as the minimum for their Troops units. I would normally put something insightful here, about how interesting the armies are or some observation about them, but I don't want to die of old age before I finish, so without any further delay, here are the nine armies that consist of a minimum of eleven models.
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Black Templars
Note: Being Forced to take an Emperors Champion only at the 750 Points mark allows the Black Templars to get away with only the 1 HQ needed and not take an Emperors champion at all!

Low End Roster:
HQ: Castellan
Troops: Two 5 Man Crusader Squads
Points: 255

High End Roster:
HQ: Black Templars Chaplain
Troops: Two 5 Man Crusader Squads
Points: 540
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Chaos Space Marines
Note: While one could argue that the lower points limit is 220, I remind you that Summoned Lesser Daemons cannot count as the Mandatory 2 Troops, thus we defer to the humble vanilla Chaos Space Marine.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Chaos Lord
Troops: Two 5 Man Chaos Space Marine Squads
Points: 240

High End Roster:
HQ: Abaddon the Despoiler (or a fully upgraded Power Armoured Chaos Sorcerer)
Troops: Two 5 Man Plague Marine Squads
Points: 715
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Dæmonhunters (Mixed)
Low End Roster:
HQ: Grey Knight Brother Captain
Troops: Two 5 Man Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Squads
Points: 161

High End Roster:
HQ: Grey Knight Grand Master
Troops: Two 5 Man Grey Knights Squads
Points: 925
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Dæmonhunters (Pure Grey Knights)
Note: Due to the nature of the Dæmonhunters codex, the High End Roster for a Pure Grey Knights army is the exact same as the above “Mixed” army. However the Low End Cost (due to using Grey Knights rather than Stormtroopers) is different.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Grey Knight Brother Captain
Troops: Two 5 Man Grey Knights Squads
Points: 361
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Dark Angels (Battle Company)
Note: For the purposes of these lists, the Dark Angels “Battle Company” is defined as a Mixed Full Codex Dark Angel Army

Low End Roster:
HQ: Chaplain (or Company Master)
Troops: Two 5 Man Tactical Squads
Points: 280

High End Roster:
HQ: Azrael, Supreme Grand Master
Troops: Two 5 Man Tactical Squads
Points: 525
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Dark Angels (Deathwing)
Note: For the purposes of these lists, the Dark Angels “Deathwing” Army is defined as a Dark Angel Army with Belial, Master of the Deathwing and only Deathwing Terminator Squads as Troop Choices.

HQ: Belial, Master of the Deathwing
Troops: Two 5 Man Deathwing Terminator Squad
Points: Low – 560, High – 725
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Dark Eldar (Wyche Cult)
Note: For the purposes of these lists, the Dark Eldar “Wyche Cult” Army is defined as a Dark Eldar Army with a Wyche Lord or Lelith Hesperax as an HQ Choice, and then following the amended Force Organisation Chart for such an army.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Wych Dracite
Troops: Two 5 Eldar Wych Squads
Points: 165

High End Roster:
HQ: Wych Archite
Troops: Two 5 Eldar Wych Squads
Points: 711
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Space Marines
Low End Roster:
HQ: Space Marine Captain (or Librarian (or Chaplain (or Master of The Forge)))
Troops: Two 5 Man Scout Squads
Points: 250

High End Roster:
HQ: Captain on a Space Marine Bike
Troops: Two 4 Man Space Marine Bike squads with an Attack Bike each.
Points: 700
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Codex: Witch Hunters (Mixed)
Note: Due to the identical points costs for Adeptus Arbites Squads and Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Squads, it is possible to take one of each, rather than the two of only one as it might be construed below. Furthermore, while the Fluff behind Inquisitor Lord Karamazov indicates it consists of him and his retinue, it is one model for game purposes, so is thus included in the High End Roster.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Palatine
Troops:
Two 5 Man Adeptus Arbites Squads / Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Squads
Points: 135

High End Roster:
HQ: Inquisitor Lord Karamazov
Troops: Two 5 Man Adeptus Arbites Squads / Inquisitorial Stormtrooper Squads
Points: 619
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So, that was a nice long read wasn't it! Don't worry, only a few more armies to go, and speaking of which, lets meet six of them now! That's right, with a minimum of just 7 models are Blood Angels, Chaos Dæmons, Dark Angels (Pure Ravenwing), Eldar, Space Wolves and Tyranids, who all share the joy of being 2nd place. Who has come out on top? If you haven't worked it out yet, Start Paying Attention!
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Blood Angels
HQ: Astorath the Grim
Troops: Two 3 Man Death Company Squads
Points: Low – 340 Points, High – 790 Points
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Chaos Daemons
Note: Due to the identical points costs for 3 of the 4 non-upgraded heralds, it is possible to take one of the below, rather than all three as it might be construed below.

Low End Roster:
HQ: Herald of Nurgle/Tzeentch/Slaanesh
Troops: Two 3 Base Nurgling Units
Points: 128

High End Roster:
HQ: Fateweaver, Oracle of Tzeentch
Troops: Two 3 Base Nurgling Units
Points: 411
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Dark Angels (Ravenwing)
Note: For the purposes of these lists, the Dark Angels “Ravenwing” Army is defined as a Dark Angel Army with Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing and only Ravenwing Attack Squads as Troop Choices.

HQ: Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing
Troops: Two 3 Man Ravenwing Attack Squads
Points: Low – 445, High – 635
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Eldar
Low End Roster:
HQ: Autarch
Troops: Two 3 Eldar Guardian Jetbike Squadrons
Points: 202

High End Roster:
HQ: Asurmen, The Hand of Asuryan
Troops: Two 3 Eldar Guardian Jetbike Squadrons
Points: 382
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Space Wolves
Low End Roster:
HQ: Logan Grimnar
Troops: Two 3 Man Wolf Guard Packs
Points: 383

High End Roster:
HQ: Logan Grimnar
Troops:
3 Man Wolf Guard Pack
Wolf Guard Pack with 2 Wolf Guard and Arjac Rockfist
Points: 1033 Points
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Tyranids:
Low End Roster:
HQ: Tyranid Prime
Troops: Two 3 Base Ripper Swarms
Points: 140

High End Roster:
HQ: Hive Tyrant
Troops: Two 3 strong Tyranid Warrior Broods
Points: 805
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And so it is written in the Weave that all things must come to an end. Well, except Taxes. Death will be overcome, but the government will always be corrupt So as we come to the final army, yes you guessed it, it's Orks, strutting about in 1st place as the King of the Small Armies.
“But wait!” I hear you cry “Orks are supposed to be a Hoard Army!” Yes, they are supposed to be, however thanks to the Avatar of the Emperor that is Phil Kelly, Orks are able to take an army of a Whopping FOUR models! Now, I will admit, it has no scoring units, and you will in all likelihood never win a single game with it, but who cares about playability! We just know it can be done! So, with my thanks for reading through this most likely awful to read article, I present to you the current army with the smallest possible number of models in Warhammer 40k:
DA MEK ORKZ!
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Orks
Note: The High End Roster points cost does not include Grot Oilers, as they are technically models.

HQ: Two Big Mekz
Troops: Two Deff Dreadz
Points: Low – 240, High – 556

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Warning: The following is a list of numbers and statistics. Reading this will make you boring and lame, not cool and awesome like Gwar! is.

Highs and Lows:
Highest High End Points Cost: Space Wolves (1033 Points)
Lowest High End Points Cost: Eldar (382 Points)
Highest Low End Points Cost: Dark Angels (Deathwing) (560 Points)
Lowest Low End Points Cost: Chaos Dæmons (128 Points)
Largest Raw High/Low Difference: Dæmonhunters (Mixed) (764 points difference)
Smallest Raw High/Low Difference: Dark Angels (Deathwing) (165 points difference)
Largest Percentage Difference: Dæmonhunters (Mixed) (474.53% difference)
Smallest Percentage Difference: Dark Angels (Deathwing) (29.46% difference)

Averages:
Average Minimum Army Size: 11.18 Models
Average Low End Points Cost: 270.18 Points
Average High End Points Cost: 696.09 Points
Average High/Low Difference: 425.91 Points
Average Percentage Difference: 194.83%

Please e-mail me if I have forgotten any statistics or made any errors.

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rAdelaide

Despite not understanding why... I enjoyed reading this.

I would be interested to know which of these would be 'functional' lists (ie you mentioned the orcs had no scoring units...).

Also, for the high end units, you could upgrade models (ie your CSM army has 2 squads of PM's, but no mention of the aspiring champion with plasma pistol or powerfist!)

However - good stuff - intellectual exercises like this are interesting.
   
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darkkt wrote:Despite not understanding why... I enjoyed reading this.
Glad to hear it
I would be interested to know which of these would be 'functional' lists (ie you mentioned the orcs had no scoring units...).
Don't worry, future lists will address these things, like "Largest Min FoC Chart Army" etc. If this is received well I am going to work on a Monster Largest Army by Model count list, though I suspect I will have to split the posts between high end and low end, as i will probably break the forums if I post both together!.
Also, for the high end units, you could upgrade models (ie your CSM army has 2 squads of PM's, but no mention of the aspiring champion with plasma pistol or powerfist!)
Rest assured that the Cost for these Upgrades is included wherever possible. I just needed to prevent GW Panda attacks!
However - good stuff - intellectual exercises like this are interesting.
It's why I did it. For some reason I find hours of playing with spreadsheets fun >.<

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Lubeck

Interesting read! I wasn't even aware of Mekz being able to take Deff Dreadz as troops - will have to read my Ork codex more closely! Your statistics at the end were interesting, too.

For some reason, I like doing stuff like this, too. Although my favourite pastime (especially at work without codices) is to work out which weapon with which gunner has the highest probability of doing X to Y.
   
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You could make high end chaos space marines more expensive by taking thousand sons over plague marines, since the squad has to include an expensive sorcerer.

Too much time on my hands.

Eldar Corsairs: 4000 pts
Imperial Guard: 4000 pts

Corregidor 700 pts
Acontecimento 400 pts 
   
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Well I read it..

I dont really understand the point of the low end high end part. The objective is to make an army with the lowest model count. Whats the point of low end high end.. Or is it meant to be just interesting to know.

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Gwar... I don't really see the point of this. Anyone could do this crap, but nobody would because it's a silly idea.

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Cheese Elemental wrote:Gwar... I don't really see the point of this. Anyone could do this crap, but nobody would because it's a silly idea.


Just because anybody could doesn't mean that everybody does. Personally, I get sick of seeing the same IG list with meltas in chimeras and a handful of tanks. I also get sick of seeing the same Ork biker rush list, and the Eldar list with impossible to kill Farseers bike zaniness. It's only by thinking outside of the box and doing weird things like this that you can innovate new previously unthought of lists. Plus, this gives an interesting look at what race to play if you hit a weird tournament style (1 HQ 2 Troop max?). Gwar!, you can consider me a fan. I can't wait to see more.

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GWAR have you thought of making this an article?

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This reminds me of the time I tried cataloging the actual number of functionally different options and diversity available to the different codices. It didn't really reveal anything interesting, and did get mocked in the OT Zone.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210136.page
   
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I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:You could make high end chaos space marines more expensive by taking thousand sons over plague marines, since the squad has to include an expensive sorcerer.

Too much time on my hands.
Actually, I had thought about this, but the Plauge Marines come out on top. 5 Man 1k Son unit makes out at 192 Points. 4 Man Plauge Marine squad with Champion
(i.e. 5 Man) maxes out at 220 Points
Shaman wrote:Well I read it..

I dont really understand the point of the low end high end part. The objective is to make an army with the lowest model count. Whats the point of low end high end.. Or is it meant to be just interesting to know.

Continue Gwar.
I suppose it was just to be interesting to know. I mean, I think it is interesting that a 11 Model Dæmonhunters army can vary between 161 and 925 Points.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Gwar... I don't really see the point of this. Anyone could do this crap, but nobody would because it's a silly idea.
Well, no-one was asking you to read it.
daedalus wrote:Just because anybody could doesn't mean that everybody does. Personally, I get sick of seeing the same IG list with meltas in chimeras and a handful of tanks. I also get sick of seeing the same Ork biker rush list, and the Eldar list with impossible to kill Farseers bike zaniness. It's only by thinking outside of the box and doing weird things like this that you can innovate new previously unthought of lists. Plus, this gives an interesting look at what race to play if you hit a weird tournament style (1 HQ 2 Troop max?). Gwar!, you can consider me a fan. I can't wait to see more.
Don't worry, I am gonna work on more. I just have to decide what I should do next. I suppose the logical progression is to work out the maximum number of models possible per army.
SPARKEYG wrote:GWAR have you thought of making this an article?
I have, but I thought I'd post them up in the forums first for everyone to critique and so people who do not follow articles can read them too
Polonius wrote:This reminds me of the time I tried cataloging the actual number of functionally different options and diversity available to the different codices. It didn't really reveal anything interesting, and did get mocked in the OT Zone.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210136.page
Great minds think alike eh?

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Good, if quite random, work...!

Instead of just seeing 'smallest roster', surely it would be more useful to see 'smallest roster within a certain points'

So, for example, the smallest number of models one can get for 1000pts. Or the largest. Etc...

??

   
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ArbitorIan wrote:Good, if quite random, work...!

Instead of just seeing 'smallest roster', surely it would be more useful to see 'smallest roster within a certain points'

So, for example, the smallest number of models one can get for 1000pts. Or the largest. Etc...

??
That's a nice idea actually. I would be glad to take requests on whatever criteria people would like to see
I am currently working on a "Most Models possible in One FoC" list now, tweaking the formatting because lets face it, while I was able to get away with repeating rosters for the Low/High points here, I wont be able to with the Maxed out rosters.

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This will never, ever, make it into WD. Which is precisely why I like it.

I really should be spending my time more constructively. 
   
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Anti-Mag wrote:This will never, ever, make it into WD. Which is precisely why I like it.
Of course it wont. It is interesting, unbiased, well edited (scratch that, edited whatsoever) and doesn't try and sell you Crap LotR models.

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I really like this, it reminds me of some of my reporting. To that end, I was wondering where the goal of this is? It's comprehensive, well written and in a good layout, but I am left, having read it, wondering the following:

Why did you do this? (initial statement of objectives)
Why would I read this? (initial statement of objectives)
What have I gained now that I have? (to include in conclusions)

Just constructive advice, it's a great bit of work but it's not really explaining why it exists.

But yeah, nice, I much prefer the article writing Gwar to the rules arguing Gwar.

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MeanGreenStompa wrote:I really like this, it reminds me of some of my reporting. To that end, I was wondering where the goal of this is? It's comprehensive, well written and in a good layout, but I am left, having read it, wondering the following:

Why did you do this? (initial statement of objectives)
Why would I read this? (initial statement of objectives)
What have I gained now that I have? (to include in conclusions)

Just constructive advice, it's a great bit of work but it's not really explaining why it exists.

But yeah, nice, I much prefer the article writing Gwar to the rules arguing Gwar.

Kudos.
No, thank you for the advice. It exists because I was bored and I find spreadsheets fun
I'll work on improving the introduction for the next one

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Despite not comprehending how anyone finds spreadsheets fun, I enjoyed this.

I was thinking of doing somthing a bit like this but instead working out the most expensive and cheapest (pointswise) bare minimum 2 troops 1 HQ.

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Very interesting. I'm certain that I'll keep on reading these. I feel like an intellectual magpie - picking at shiny bits of knowledge just because they're there.

Keep it up, my magpie tendencies need satisfying.

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oggers wrote:Despite not comprehending how anyone finds spreadsheets fun, I enjoyed this.

I was thinking of doing somthing a bit like this but instead working out the most expensive and cheapest (pointswise) bare minimum 2 troops 1 HQ.
Glad you liked it! And yeah, the Cheapet Minimum FoC is pretty much the same as the low end lists here (with the exception of Orks for sure). The Maximum Cost Min FoC is something I am planning to do later

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Awesome stuff Gwar! When are you going to do cheapest (money-wise) army's?

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Lord of battles wrote:Awesome stuff Gwar! When are you going to do cheapest (money-wise) army's?
"updated whenever I can be arsed to do so."
Turns out the Maximum Model List is gonna be a bit more work than I thought, so it might be a few days

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This is the most interesting thing i've read this week.

   
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I await the next one with interest.

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Wait wait wait...

Trolls know math now?!!?!?!


In all seriousness, I'm quite interested in this whole thing Gwar!, and I hope to see the cheapest army sometime soon (Hopefully)

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So anyway, I have completed the Math and part of the writeup for the next list, which is the Maximum Models possible in a single FoC. All I have left to do is the Prose, which is my weakpoint :( I however, value your feedback and would like to know:
1) Is there anything you would like to see changed format wise?
2) How much prose do you want between each list? Lots? Some? None?
3) Would you guys like for me to put an FAQ as an introduction, covering things like "Why the feth did you do this" etc.
4) What would you like to see for an introduction at all!
5) Would you like me to keep the "Variant Army Definitions" (which will be updated in this thread once I get the second one posted), before the actual roster or in a seperate subsection?


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Cryonicleech wrote:In all seriousness, I'm quite interested in this whole thing Gwar!, and I hope to see the cheapest army sometime soon (Hopefully)
I was thinking about doing this, but then I realised it is not actually helpful at all, as we all know the answer is Orks (AoBR Stuff on Ebay) or Marines (See: Orks), so I think instead will be doing lists of "Cheapest 1000/1500/2000 Point army".

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I guess I should have said cheapest list rather than cheapest army.

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This is awesome*!!!

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How about cheapest list if you only buy from GW

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This is actually pretty damn cool.

I've been toying with largest (model count) lists this week for a discussion elsewhere... will be interesting to see if our results are the same.

Keep it up-- interesting stuff!




 
   
 
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