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Hmm...

i'd say it depends on the % overcosting that all forgeworld stuff gets in points and dollars.

Looks Orky , 4 wheel would look better for IG?

It doesn't have the ground clearance of a military vehicle, and why the hell doesn't it have doors? Doors are what stop the bullets.

Like the modern-armoured (to an extent) truck-ness.

ShumaGorath wrote:It doesn't have the ground clearance of a military vehicle, and why the hell doesn't it have doors? Doors are what stop the bullets.

Probably due to it being a fast assault vehicle, rather than an armoured one...

I agree it should be higher off the ground, otherwise looks pretty cool. Presuming it has similar stats to an ork trukk, it presumably has no real armour, so doors would indeed be an unnecessary luxury

insaniak wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:It doesn't have the ground clearance of a military vehicle, and why the hell doesn't it have doors? Doors are what stop the bullets.

Probably due to it being a fast assault vehicle, rather than an armoured one...

Hellhounds manage to be fast without sacrificing doors.

I like the model but I don't get the niche it would fill. Is it supposed to be a 6 person, open-topped, chimera? IG version of a Land Speeder? Are we really planning on assaulting anyone when we get out of it or are we assumed to only get out when we get blown out?

I'd prefer a HMMWV (Humvee), personally, but I suppose that would be too recognizable.

DoW

Is not plastic? Is resin?

DO NOT WANT!

ShumaGorath wrote:It doesn't have the ground clearance of a military vehicle, and why the hell doesn't it have doors? Doors are what stop the bullets.

SAS pink panthers don't have doors, while a Humvee does. Coincidentally, the Humvee's speed is less. Perhaps the fast attack vehicle is designed to be fast while the armored humvee is designed to be... Well, armored? DPV's didn't patrol the streets of Baghdad. Rapid insertion is key to the forces that use FAV's, like Spec Ops...

Rico...

DogOfWar wrote:I like the model but I don't get the niche it would fill.

I think its niche is supposed to be a fast assault vehicle that mounts heavier weapons for a force of Drop Troop IG. I think it would be easier for one of these to drop alongside Elysians and Sentinels than a Leman Russ.

Looking at the older Elysian lists(which lack tanks but have flyers to somat fulfill that role), I sometimes wondered what would happen if they faced a foe that could field enough flyers to keep Valkyries and Vultures occupied and unable to support the Elysians, something Orks are more than capable of. Something like this could help fill that void that Sentinels and crew operated heavies can't always.

LunaHound wrote: Looks Orky , 4 wheel would look better for IG?

Techinically its 12 wheels on 3 axels. Besides that in all the old fluff imperial automobile were always described as having 6 or more wheels.
Kinda like this but with less glass and more armor: http://www.stupidvehicles.com/images/2008/november/kaz_limo_2.jpg

Platuan4th wrote:Looking at the older Elysian lists(which lack tanks but have flyers to somat fulfill that role), I sometimes wondered what would happen if they faced a foe that could field enough flyers to keep Valkyries and Vultures occupied and unable to support the Elysians, something Orks are more than capable of. Something like this could help fill that void that Sentinels and crew operated heavies can't always.

Okay, I'll buy that.

Not the model though, I like my Russes tyvm

DoW

@aka: 12 wheels?

I count:
- 2 wheels on front axle
- 4 wheels on 1st rear axle
- 4 wheels on 2nd rear axle
= 10 total wheels on 3 axles.

aka_mythos wrote:

LunaHound wrote: Looks Orky , 4 wheel would look better for IG?

Techinically its 12 wheels on 3 axels. Besides that in all the old fluff imperial automobile were always described as having 6 or more wheels.
Kinda like this but with less glass and more armor: http://www.stupidvehicles.com/images/2008/november/kaz_limo_2.jpg

12? I could see 10 (4 on each rear axel) but wouldn't 4 wheels in the front make it turn like a fat pig?

That car is ridiculous btw... I can't believe someone even built one. Though didn't Citroen make a 6 wheel estate car sometime in the 70s? Not sure...

DoW

EDIT: Ninja'd by JohnHwangDD!

Platuan4th wrote:Looking at the older Elysian lists(which lack tanks but have flyers to somat fulfill that role), I sometimes wondered what would happen if they faced a foe that could field enough flyers to keep Valkyries and Vultures occupied and unable to support the Elysians, something Orks are more than capable of.

Valks are pretty darn big, but with very little work, you could lose the huge Transport capacity and skeletonize it for a Valkyrie Transporter capable of airlifting a single Chimera or Hellhound. Being able to touch & drop a Hellhound-class light Tank would provide tremendous close-in support, and the Transporter itself could still provide supporting fire via its wing-mounted Rocket Pods, and perhaps Heavy Bolter Pods.

The Chimera-based Artillery vehicles would be too large, due to the oversized turrets or gun barrels, while the Hydra would be redundant due to the Vulture Gunships.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:Looking at the older Elysian lists(which lack tanks but have flyers to somat fulfill that role), I sometimes wondered what would happen if they faced a foe that could field enough flyers to keep Valkyries and Vultures occupied and unable to support the Elysians, something Orks are more than capable of.

Valks are pretty darn big, but with very little work, you could lose the huge Transport capacity and skeletonize it for a Valkyrie Transporter capable of airlifting a single Chimera or Hellhound. Being able to touch & drop a Hellhound-class light Tank would provide tremendous close-in support, and the Transporter itself could still provide supporting fire via its wing-mounted Rocket Pods, and perhaps Heavy Bolter Pods.

The Chimera-based Artillery vehicles would be too large, due to the oversized turrets or gun barrels, while the Hydra would be redundant due to the Vulture Gunships.

Hmmmm.... Chimeras are still pretty hefty. I'd be hard pressed to see a Valkyrie lug one around, even a stripped down Valkyrie.

Though you bring up an excellent idea! Maybe these FAV are Hellpuppies! Inferno cannon on a 10/10/10. Now won't that be cute?

DoW

Put it in plastic and Kid Kyoto will buy a dozen. I'm not kidding.

The rumors are the 6 wheeled variants will have more transport capacity, with a 4 wheeled variant featuring heavier weapons to operate as guntrucks, with things like Plasma Cannons turret mounted.

what a silly looking vehicle.. Is it only supposed to be used on paved roads?

Doors would make a vehicle FASTER not slower.. so no doors makes no sense due to aerodynamics :p

you could paint the wheels in several different schemes to make them look like they came from several IG vehicles.. that might look orky

Kirasu wrote:what a silly looking vehicle.. Is it only supposed to be used on paved roads?

Doors would make a vehicle FASTER not slower.. so no doors makes no sense due to aerodynamics :p

Speed != fuel efficiency.

A large box on wheels can quite comfortably travel 50mph with or without doors since the capacity of the engine plays a larger role at lower speeds (though doors could lessen drag and increase fuel efficiency). Aerodynamic designs that increase the potential maximum top speed of a vehicle only start to come into play at much greater speeds than any combat vehicle would be traveling.

But then again this is 40k - argumentum ad fireballum...

DoW

DogOfWar wrote:

Kirasu wrote:what a silly looking vehicle.. Is it only supposed to be used on paved roads?

Doors would make a vehicle FASTER not slower.. so no doors makes no sense due to aerodynamics :p

Speed != fuel efficiency.

A large box on wheels can quite comfortably travel 50mph with or without doors since the capacity of the engine plays a larger role at lower speeds (though doors could lessen drag and increase fuel efficiency). Aerodynamic designs that increase the potential maximum top speed of a vehicle only start to come into play at much greater speeds than any combat vehicle would be traveling.

But then again this is 40k - argumentum ad fireballum...

DoW

Actually drag not only effects fuel efficiency but overall speed/hp as well. So, yes, doors do make a vehicle somewhat faster, even after factoring in the extra weight added by the door. Take any two identical vehicles and take the doors off of one and the one with doors will win a drag race hands down.

As awesome as it is it looks like it would get high centered on the smallest of rocks...

I guess they are just trying to make an Elysian equivalent to the gun-buggy that the US Navy Seals use. Looks similar to me.

augustus5 wrote:

DogOfWar wrote:

Kirasu wrote:what a silly looking vehicle.. Is it only supposed to be used on paved roads?

Doors would make a vehicle FASTER not slower.. so no doors makes no sense due to aerodynamics :p

Speed != fuel efficiency.

A large box on wheels can quite comfortably travel 50mph with or without doors since the capacity of the engine plays a larger role at lower speeds (though doors could lessen drag and increase fuel efficiency). Aerodynamic designs that increase the potential maximum top speed of a vehicle only start to come into play at much greater speeds than any combat vehicle would be traveling.

But then again this is 40k - argumentum ad fireballum...

DoW

Actually drag not only effects fuel efficiency but overall speed/hp as well. So, yes, doors do make a vehicle somewhat faster, even after factoring in the extra weight added by the door. Take any two identical vehicles and take the doors off of one and the one with doors will win a drag race hands down.

I never said drag doesn't affect speed, I said it effects the top speed of a vehicle far less when that top speed is restricted by the environment. If you took the doors off a Land Rover and drove it on a drag strip I would wager you are correct and the drag would cause it to lose to a fully-enclosed Land Rover.

Over rough terrain (when your max speed would be closer to 50-60kph) however, I don't think the lack of aerodynamics on a doorless Land Rover would have as much of an effect. In fact, I would wager the reduced weight would be a bigger factor in who would potentially win the 'race'.

Then again, it's been a long time since I took physics so I could be wrong.

DoW

I think its pretty cool.. not to hard to raise the wheels higher either.

Jesus people.

It's a vehicle that gets kicked out the back of a Valkyrie variant. It has to be relatively light-weight, while not compromising the carrier's flight characteristics.

That's why it's designed like it is. Look at the FAVs that are used by modern Special Forces of all countries, and you'll see they're designed very much like this. Doors are either mesh or canvas panels attached on site, or just left off period. They also usually have a very low ground clearance, but a ridiculous suspension system that makes up for it.

I could get a buggy that looks just as good for much less from companies like ground zero games or its competitors.

While the model has the potential to look cool I just don't see what the real use for it is. Honestly, fast troop transport? Valk/Vend. Fast weapon platform? Valk Vend. The other Fast Attack choices the Guard have are just better than anything this can really do. Except Rough Riders which are just bad.