Ork 40K FAQ amendment rules Deff Rollas can be used when Ramming even if you speak English

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**nkelsch**

Apparently GW has a new ork FAQ for February 2010!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m960019a_Orkos_Febrero_2010.pdf

P. ¿Puedo utilizar la Apizonadora de muerte
para Embestir a vehículos, o sólo funciona al
aplicar su Brutalidad Acorazada contra
unidades que no son vehículos?
R. La Apizonadora de muerte infligirá 1D6
impactos de F10 contra vehículos , dado que la
Embestida es un tipo de Brutalidad acorazada.

Roughly translated:
Q. Can I use the deffrolla to ram vehicles, or does it only work against units that aren't vehicles?

A. The deffrolla will inflict 1D6 STR10 hits against vehicles, given that ramming is a type of "armored Brutality"

Are we gonna see a new english FAQ for February 2010? Does a Spanish FAQ show any official ruling from GW or only people who own a Spanish rulebook? Crazy eh?

UPDATE: ENGLISH LANGUAGE VERSION OF THE FAQ NOW RELEASED:

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m970066a_2010_Orks_FAQ

**MeanGreenStompa**

/twitch

**Tsannik**

it's both muy caliente and rojo loco!

**nkelsch**

Hey, I know it is a Deffrolla debate, but this 'offishul' GW document is Feb 2010 and on thier website... so they have burnt the toast now.

**Sanctjud**

Que? Bailando TacoRolla?

**MeanGreenStompa**

No, I was twitching with potential happiness.

It would bolster ork tank killing ability if so.

**Lost Boyz**

That solves the whole debate - if only we had known all along that ramming is a form of 'Armored Brutality'!!

I can finally re-attached the Rollas I have not been using! Orks need this. We are bad at bustin' armor with shooting. This is our 'Melta Gun'

**solkan**

Quick, someone needs to go over to Warseer and find someone to who can complain about blatant errors in the German codices and FAQ's!

**MeanGreenStompa**

Gracias a Jon 'carayak' Regul por su consejo para las FAQs!

**Lowinor**

Finally.

Now, maybe these strained exegeses of people trying to figure out ways how a Deff Rolla doesn't hit vehicles will end.

**Soup and a roll**

Que pasa? Estoy confundido :(

**warpcrafter**

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Tri**

Just a shame its not english... till its in the english FAQ you still can't use it. (note i'm personally in the for a D6 str10 hit ... its just the rules no longer work that wawy)

**insaniak**

Yeah, people will refuse to accept it until the English FAQ is updated. Particularly since there's a bit of a history of the various European GW's putting out the own FAQ's that have nothing to do with the studio.

**ginger_nid_dude**

Como te llamas? No, that's wrong. 15 hours of my life wasted on Spanish lessons then.

OT: What arguments does this mean we will be seeing a gw nid FAQ?

**ChrisCP**

Yay an answer in 'paper' even... Rules confirmations...sigh no love for the english :(

**Dashofpepper**

insaniak wrote:Yeah, people will refuse to accept it until the English FAQ is updated. Particularly since there's a bit of a history of the various European GW's putting out the own FAQ's that have nothing to do with the studio.

Except that this isn't coming from games-workshop.eu or games-workshop.AU or anything else - its from games-workshop.com.

**Monster Rain**

Si ellos no comprenden Espanol, no es mi problema.

Apizonadora de muerte PEG*.

*(FTW)

**Tri**

Dashofpepper wrote:
insaniak wrote:Yeah, people will refuse to accept it until the English FAQ is updated. Particularly since there's a bit of a history of the various European GW's putting out the own FAQ's that have nothing to do with the studio.

Except that this isn't coming from games-workshop.eu or games-workshop.AU or anything else - its from games-workshop.com.

Na GW finally worked out to do multiple versions from one location would be cheaper ... must have saved them lots of money not having to keep those other sites and domains separate.

**nkelsch**

This FAQ has a wide sweeping change to tank shocking in general as it defines Ramming as a subset... Which basically means "anything that is capable of tank shocking is also capable of ramming" which is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

I am also curious if this us a US Spanish FAQ or a EU SPAIN FAQ. Does GW make US spanish versions of their publications?

**Dashofpepper**

nkelsch wrote:This FAQ has a wide sweeping change to tank shocking in general as it defines Ramming as a subset... Which basically means "anything that is capable of tank shocking is also capable of ramming" which is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

I am also curious if this us a US Spanish FAQ or a EU SPAIN FAQ. Does GW make US spanish versions of their publications?

That's a misnomer. The FAQ didn't need to define ramming as a subset of ramming - the rulebook already does so in its first sentence, "Ramming is a special kind of tank shock."

The only reason deffrollas aren't widely used is because of the tremendous whining that erupted from people everywhere about it. Hopefully that's all fixed now.

**nkelsch**

Dashofpepper wrote:
nkelsch wrote:This FAQ has a wide sweeping change to tank shocking in general as it defines Ramming as a subset... Which basically means "anything that is capable of tank shocking is also capable of ramming" which is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

I am also curious if this us a US Spanish FAQ or a EU SPAIN FAQ. Does GW make US spanish versions of their publications?

That's a misnomer. The FAQ didn't need to define ramming as a subset of ramming - the rulebook already does so in its first sentence, "Ramming is a special kind of tank shock."

The only reason deffrollas aren't widely used is because of the tremendous whining that erupted from people everywhere about it. Hopefully that's all fixed now.

Have you read any of the threads asking if Trukks can Ram because they have the ability to tank shock? It is not as cut and dry as you seem to paint the debate that has droned on for over 2 years with no resolution.

Actually have you read any thread in YMTC for years? This is the first FAQ that has actually flat out said the words everyone likes to imply, that ramming is actually under tank shocking in a hierarchical format instead of just a fluff line as it stands now.

I found it on the SPAIN website, And there is a Nid FAQ as well:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=600005&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&start=2
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m890456a_Tiránidos_Febrero_2010.pdf

GW Spain doesn't write rules or contribute in any way to this game. Unless this is a pre-translated version of the studio's FAQ, this PDF is gutter trash snuck onto the website by a random dude within thier organization. I am an ork player, but I am not going to browbeat opponents with some foreign language document to win games. This is not the first time bad articles or FAQs have been published to Euro versions of the site and have been found to later be removed or contradicted by the studio.

**Skarboy**

!!!!!

****ing right on! This is the happiest FAQ update I've seen in quite awhile! Now, just translate to English, GW, so I can smash the goddamn landraiders that have been giving me fits!

**solkan**

nkelsch wrote:Actually have you read any thread in YMTC for years? This is the first FAQ that has actually flat out said the words everyone likes to imply, that ramming is actually under tank shocking in a hierarchical format instead of just a fluff line as it stands now.

No, it's not the first FAQ to say that. The Italian Ork FAQ, http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m970001a_Warhammer_40,000_Orki_FAQ_2009 appears to have come out a few months ago and also has the same extra answer at the end.

**nkelsch**

solkan wrote:
nkelsch wrote:Actually have you read any thread in YMTC for years? This is the first FAQ that has actually flat out said the words everyone likes to imply, that ramming is actually under tank shocking in a hierarchical format instead of just a fluff line as it stands now.

No, it's not the first FAQ to say that. The Italian Ork FAQ, http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m970001a_Warhammer_40,000_Orki_FAQ_2009 appears to have come out a few months ago and also has the same extra answer at the end.

Make it english and I will have no problem deffrolling landraiders off the table... But the impact on tankshocking as a whole and how it works is my question. Do Trukks get to ram now because rams are a sub rule of tank shocking so says the FAQ?

**Black Blow Fly**

I am wondering if King Cracker petition was passed around in Spanish gaming stores.

anyways it's a boon to those that advocate deffrollaz work when ramming.

G

**solkan**

nkelsch wrote:
solkan wrote:
nkelsch wrote:Actually have you read any thread in YMTC for years? This is the first FAQ that has actually flat out said the words everyone likes to imply, that ramming is actually under tank shocking in a hierarchical format instead of just a fluff line as it stands now.

No, it's not the first FAQ to say that. The Italian Ork FAQ, http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m970001a_Warhammer_40,000_Orki_FAQ_2009 appears to have come out a few months ago and also has the same extra answer at the end.

Make it english and I will have no problem deffrolling landraiders off the table... But the impact on tankshocking as a whole and how it works is my question. Do Trukks get to ram now because rams are a sub rule of tank shocking so says the FAQ?

I was just responding to the supposition that this was the first FAQ to have that question in it.

Of course, it's worth pointing out that for both the Italian and Spanish FAQ's, you can do this nice little side by side comparison with the English FAQ matching up questions until you get to the extra one at the end.

I'm just sad that no one's mentioned the lonely little French Chaos Daemon FAQ yet.

**oni**

Heresy I say! :(

**sourclams**

Why?

**Gorkamorka**

sourclams wrote:Why?

Some people just can't handle the fair truth.