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So i play CSM. What units would be good to deal with him. His toughness 8 is a PAIN! I have 2 oblits, a vindicator, abaddon, and maybe like some marines with missile launchers. What units( anything in the chaos army, regardless of whether i have them or not) would work best for this. Also, a little advice on dealing with those 14 armor on all sides tanks would be helpful. Thanks!

Melta guns for the tanks, autocannons or missile launchers for the night bringer.

Lash of Submission. A 155 pt. DP can pretty much negate/kite a Nightbringer for the entire game.

If you wanna beat him the non cheesy way just ignore him and go for the warriors/phase out.

i dont really like LoS as i prefer a nurgle/warptime DP. But i usually just avoid him and flank his necrons, who he barely can move without falling off the table edge hehe so just charging rhinos works fine, just disembark kill all units with an orb and dominate.. as us chaos players are all too familiar with CHAOS FTW!!


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Vache Glace wrote:Lash of Submission. A 155 pt. DP can pretty much negate/kite a Nightbringer for the entire game.

This isn't a bad way to keep him out of CC range, but I don't think it would work more than once on the same opponent.

Personally I think a squad of havocs with autocannons would take him down just fine in a turn or two. Strangely the same amount of points, but it wouldnt force you to use your DP as a nightbringer nanny.

If you are feelin lucky. Gift of chaos turns him into spawn on a 6. Good units to give it too, a Tzeentch DP and aspiring sorcerers can cast it twice in one turn also while in CC. And ahriman can cast it 3 times a turn.

Yes its unlikey. But, i have done it before.... More than once

@Mrwittwer hes immune to instant death. And i was seriousl considering some havocs tobegin with but wasnt sure in general terms what would you suggest giving a squad of 5

mrwittwer wrote:If you are feelin lucky. Gift of chaos turns him into spawn on a 6.

Biggest problem being you need to be within 6" to use it, which is the nightbringer's kill zone.

Run away from the the biggy!!!

Havoc squads with missile launchers math hammer=30 shots=20 hits=10 wounds=5 failed saves=dead nightbringer.

It takes 30 str8 shots to kill him. Waste of time don't bother. That's 20 dead necron warriors that could be killed with the same firepower.

Bottom line if you face the nightbringer the necron player only has 1 necron lord, and 1 res orb. Kill the Necron lord and necrons instead, force a phase out.

the Nightbringer is just like the monolith in terms of overall game play: scary unit that doesn't do too much damage if ignored. It's more of a distraction than anything else, just ignore him and klil off the little guys running around his legs.

Just tangle him up with the cheapest units you have available. Overall, he is a pretty much a big waste of time to even shoot at.

All you need is something that costs less than he does to tarpit the deciever, while you annihilate his rather vulnerable warriors.

@Wrexasaur:

It depends....the Deciever will NEVER be tarpitted if he doesn't want to be.

While Nightbringer can only be tarpitted by stuff over a certain statistic.

So, it's not that easy to tarpit them, but you can block movement with vehilces and units as normal.
C'Tan as mentioned are there to be a big target to draw some more powerful shooting away from other elements.

And the most simple answer is to just deal with the other 'necrons' to deal with the C'Tan. Else the best option are:

Hellfire Rounds = ace.
Gift/Boon of Chaos.
Sniper Rifles...and pretty much anything else that ignores the Toughnes values for wounding as the 4++ is pretty meh against the stuff named above.

Do death guard have piosoned attacks?
if so thats your solution. I don't know personnaly as I don't play CSM

@VikingScott:
The answer is: no.

For some dumb reason C'tan are not immune to instant death, does not come up much since they have Tough 8 but force weapons or instant death weapons eat them alive. A Lord with MoS and a daemone wpn, or anyone with force wpn, can instant death him. Typhus is another great option he has poision so he can actually wound him, and then use force wpn to seal the deal. It's so lame they are not immune but untill nex dex comes out C'tan are just trophies for the skull taker!

The only poisoned attacks available in the CSM codex is Nurgle Deamon weapons which are only available on Typhus and Nurgle chaos lords, both of which are subject to instant death from the nightbringer.

That being said Nightbringer=1 less res orb.
Nightbringer + Monolith (s)=low phase out number
Just phase them out.

@Brazila:

Please read the previous posts, we have gone over the Blissgiver and it does not work vs. a C'Tan just because the lord can't wound the C'Tan.

Typhus vs. C'Tan: the C'Tan would simply decide not to fight him (tempest ability)...which would leave Typhus with just trying to WoC the C'Tan to death.

@Schadenfreude:

A low phase out number isn't exactly a 'terrible' thing.

Halsfield wrote:

Vache Glace wrote:Lash of Submission. A 155 pt. DP can pretty much negate/kite a Nightbringer for the entire game.

This isn't a bad way to keep him out of CC range, but I don't think it would work more than once on the same opponent.

There's no way for a Necron player to adapt to it, beyond shooting the Lasher to death. He's a big model, slow, and almost impossible to totally block line of sight to unless using a crazy double/triple monolith wall.

Mass Destroyers certainly can shoot a Daemon Prince to death with relative ease, but your point investment is ridiculous at that point.

Tarpit Nightbringer with summoned lesser daemons (Fearless, S4, invulnerable save, etc.) and murder the rest of his forces to force phase out (or take objectives, whatever the mission requires).

Against AV14, meltagun spam should work fine. Chosen can have 5 in a unit, regular CSM squads of 10 can have two. Slap in rhinos, instant tank hunters. Your monstrous creatures (DP, Greater Daemon), dreads, and defilers can rip them apart as well, plus there's always meltagun oblits and characters/champs with meltabombs. You should have plenty of options.

@Skarboy:

Like I said, If Nightbringer doesn't want to be tarpitted by Lesser Daemons in combat, he won't be.
The most you can do with lesser daemons is get in the way of his movement, rather than locking him in combat. (Re: his tempest ability)

Your suggestions vs AV14 with respect to the Necron codex isn't totally accurate.
DP and GD can't scratch the monolith, living armor says 'no' to them.
Dreads and defilers are decent killing it in combat, while the vindi at range.
Meltas are really hit or miss, they don't get the 2D6, so you will have to rely on rolling a 6, in which case the mono then has a 1/6 chance to be wrecked after the said 6.

sourclams wrote:

There's no way for a Necron player to adapt to it, beyond shooting the Lasher to death.

Shooting him to death is pretty much what necrons have going for their entire army. The DP must be within 24" of the nightbringer and if you have warriors/monolith somewhere in between there he is going to be within range for shooting of a large number of units. Once the lasher is out of the way the nightbringer is free to tear up the rest of the army.

schadenfreude wrote:Havoc squads with missile launchers math hammer=30 shots=20 hits=10 wounds=5 failed saves=dead nightbringer.

It takes 30 str8 shots to kill him. Waste of time don't bother. That's 20 dead necron warriors that could be killed with the same firepower.

Bottom line if you face the nightbringer the necron player only has 1 necron lord, and 1 res orb. Kill the Necron lord and necrons instead, force a phase out.

If this was a response to me I was talking about autocannons so let's get that out of the way first. Next, it would take 3 squads of 4 missile launchers 3 rounds to deal 5 wounds (2/round). With ACs you would be doing 2.5/round with the same amount of weapons(so equal chance of killing in 2 rounds or 3). So 50% chance that you will kill him an entire round earlier.

They would certainly all be better when turned on the necrons themselves but this is a post entitled "dealing with the nightbringer" so I'm trying to help the guy with what he wants help with.

@Halsfield...where are you getting 4 autocannons = 12 shots?

Sanctjud wrote:@Halsfield...where are you getting 4 autocannons = 12 shots?

In my dreams?

Nah, it's more like your hopes...

sancjtud wrote: Nah, it's more like your hopes...

Well feel free to check my math again. My hopes cling to .5 wounds per round. Feel free to dash them against the rocks of reality.






wtf dakka, first it looks like a double post so I edit the text out of the second one. Then my quote disappears. Then the first reply disappears and only the edited (doubled) post remains.

How are we back here? "Ignore the X, go for phaseout." died with the onset of 5th edition. Nowadays the warriors can be in reserve. You need to be really lucky to pull a phaseout, or just already dominating when the warriors come on, in which case you don't need phase out.

Sanctjud wrote:@Skarboy:Like I said, If Nightbringer doesn't want to be tarpitted by Lesser Daemons in combat, he won't be.
The most you can do with lesser daemons is get in the way of his movement, rather than locking him in combat. (Re: his tempest ability)

Doesn't the tempest only affect units of under S4? Aren't lesser daemons S4, thus making them resist the tempest? Did they FAQ it or something? Otherwise, there's nothing I can see that wouldn't let lesser daemons tarpit him...

Skarboy wrote:

Doesn't the tempest only affect units of under S4? Aren't lesser daemons S4, thus making them resist the tempest? Did they FAQ it or something? Otherwise, there's nothing I can see that wouldn't let lesser daemons tarpit him...

The tempest may not be a problem for them, but the gaze of death certainly is a problem.