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Yo, I'm a newbie and working on an ork army.

Here's what I got so far.

HQ
Boss Wazdakka Gutzmek
180pts

Elites:

1 squad x5 Nob bikers
3 power claws
2 big choppas
310pts

2 squads x11 lootas
330pts

troops:
1 squad x12 Slugga boys
1 big shoota
1 Nob
1 power claw
107pts

Dedicated transport trukk
wreckin' ball
grot riggers
50pts

1 squad x13 shoota boys
1 big shoota
78pts

fast attack:

1 biker mob x5 bikes
1 nob
1 powerclaw
1 boss pole
155pts

Heavy Support:

1 Battlewagon:
grot riggers
Kannon
2 rokkit launchas
armor plates
1 big shoota
145pts

which leaves about 110 pts to putz with for a 1500 pt army. I'm not interested in going all out green tide or speed cult. I just really like the bikes and thought Nob bikers would be a fun idea. Let me know what you think and where I could tweak it.
thanks

Ok lets start over, first of all boyz work best when you focus on one thing, so if you like bikes then we will go with that, firstly drop wazzy hes not worth the points and get 2 warbosses with pk on bikes, 2nd get 2 squads of 5 nobs with the same build as yours cept drop the uge choppas and give all models kombi shoota skorchas, next fill out with bikers, and make sure they got nobs with bp and pk's and sweep around and slaughter ur opponents

If your taking wazdakka I am sure you can take warbikes as troops - why don't you do that? If you take a warboss on a bike you can take nobz as troops too.

List unfortunately is massively messed up. Has a unit of nobz which aren't that big in size and don't have unique wargear so you can play with wound allocation.

You then have only one trukk racing ahead...easy target. You have one wagon which will chug behind and only carrying 13 boyz (I presume) so it's not even carrying full compacity, and orks suck in small units.

The bikers aren't too bad but you need more of them for mutual support. The nobz won't cut is because they're small and a easy target, you need more bikers!

Okay what if I scrap one lootas squad. Use the remaining points to fill out the bike mobs or to add another one? Would sticking a deff dread in this army be dumb? Would it be a good idea to give the lootas a trukk or perhaps make a couple burna mobs with trukks?

Yeah of course sticking a deff dread in the army will be dumb as your bikes move 12" and then 6". The boyz will be with the deff dread, but it won't give them any cover or vice versa.

what about the loota boys keep em or make one big mob with em? Maybe stick a second battlewagon with a killkannon in there.

Leave the lootas as is. If you can make them up to 12.

If you stick a wagon in with a killkannon you can only move 6".

Have a good long look at your list and look and think what direction you're going in, unless you want me to tell you what needs sorting as you're just guessing at things here and clutching at straws for chances.

Here's what my plan was: use lootas for cover fire and bikes to tie up the enemy so the boys can make it to close combat without being totaled. My overall goal was to get in close and tear it up because orks are terrible at range. I also have so many squads because I figured that would give the enemy too many units to target. I figure the battlewagon will draw alot of fire thats why I didn't give it the killkannon right away. Why waste points on something the enemy is going take down quick.
Does that sound solid?

i was going more for

2 x Warboss
2 x PK
2 x Warbike
2 x Attack squig

=280

5 x nobz
5 x shoota skorcha
5 x Bikes
3 x PK

=325

5 x nobz
5 x shoota skorcha
5 x Bikes
3 x PK

=325

6 x warbikes
nob
PK
BP

=190

6 x warbikes
nob
PK
BP

=190

6 x warbikes
nob
PK
BP

=190

=1500
and against spam armies like nids, drop 1 warboss and 1 nob squad and add

15 x burnaz

=225

15 x Burnaz

=225

alright good suggestion I have a revised list.

Still wanna go with Wazdakka as HQ

Elites
2 squads of 11 lootas

1 squad 7 nob bikers
3 pk

troops

1 squad 20 boys slugga/shoota

fast attack

1 squad 6 bikers
nob
pk

Heavy support

1 battlewagon
kannon
grot riggers
armour plates
2 rokkit launchas
1 big shoota

1405

Hows that look? The battle wagon is a transport for the boys mob. I wanna keep the lootas cause I already bought em. Probably give the nobs mob the kombi skorchas and use some of the excess pts. Can they carry kombis and pks or does it have to be one or the other?




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the cannon on the wagon is not a kill kannon

Ok really boyz you only need for added help to get objectives if anythin, i would go for cheap shoota boy squads and bikers as lootas cannot capture points, nobs might help byt you need a warboss so they can capture objectives and not take up an elites spot, the battle waggon doesnt seem right here, i really would suggest dropping it for more bikes, as i have said in other posts, boyz do well when they focus on one thing, and even in the amended army i gave you you need to tweak things to suit missions like having boyz to capture objectives, as only troops can do so. many space marine biker armies are scary, especially white scars as they can feild lots of them so try to maximise their presence finally, i would be careful with wazzy as he semes good, but IMHO i think he is a waste of points. and another note on your waggon, never take a kannon if you think ur gonna move and shoot with the continuous use of transport, as the furthest distance you can move and shoot is 6", look to keep it fast if ur gonna keep it in ur army, and for god sake please put shoota skorchas on ur nobs

2010/03/19 07:16:20 Subject: my boyz army needs some help

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Ok really boyz you only need for added help to get objectives if anythin, i would go for cheap shoota boy squads and bikers as lootas cannot capture points, nobs might help byt you need a warboss so they can capture objectives and not take up an elites spot, the battle waggon doesnt seem right here, i really would suggest dropping it for more bikes, as i have said in other posts, boyz do well when they focus on one thing, and even in the amended army i gave you you need to tweak things to suit missions like having boyz to capture objectives, as only troops can do so. many space marine biker armies are scary, especially white scars as they can feild lots of them so try to maximise their presence finally, i would be careful with wazzy as he semes good, but IMHO i think he is a waste of points. and another note on your waggon, never take a kannon if you think ur gonna move and shoot with the continuous use of transport, as the furthest distance you can move and shoot is 6", look to keep it fast if ur gonna keep it in ur army, and for god sake please put shoota skorchas on ur nobs

Alright I appreciate the advice, I really do. If I seem difficult its just cause I'm trying to figure it out. I will be putting the shoota scorchas on the nobz. I am going to rethink lootas and wazdakka.

ohh and youcan trade both ur wepons on a nob for other things cept 4 the uge choppa, as it is a 2h weapon, lootas do not fit in this army o dont think i sorry but ur bikes do, if ur really worried go old style hammer and anvil tactic and have like 90 boyz on one side of the field and 5 nobs and 2 warbike squads on the other


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Ohh and youcan trade both ur wepons on a nob for other things cept 4 the uge choppa, as it is a 2h weapon, lootas do not fit in this army as they are shooty and you need choppyand ur bikes do choppy, if ur really worried go old style hammer and anvil tactic and have like 90 boyz on one side of the field and 5 nobs and 2 warbike squads on the other