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I was reading my SM codex last night and happened to peruse the timeline a little closer than usual since I'm working on getting my Crimson Fists up and running. The fluff regarding Waaaagh! Sniggrod (spelling?) wiping out most of the chapter on Rynn's World looks to occur very early in M41, like 700-999. The current age is 999990.M41 IIRC, meaning the Crimson Fists have had almost 100k years to recoup their losses. So are they back up to snuff or still missing members?

If I were to field a "modern-fluff" CF army, would it be sensible to include Kantor - given the 100k year difference? Dante was what, 10k? and he was considered ancient for a marine... I guess the easy way to play it would be to field them as a pre-Rynn's World army?

Definatly hasnt been 100,000 years as warhammer 40,000 is only 40,000 years in the future. horus heresy was only 10,000 years ago. But otherwise I think that it was in M41 989 that they were attacked according to the rulebook so its only been like 10 years.

I think i read soem fluff somewhere that said they are back up to around half strength now. can't remember where.

Either way, my Crimson Fist army is the 5th Company as i am assumign they are at at least half strength now.

Gavin Thorne wrote:I was reading my SM codex last night and happened to peruse the timeline a little closer than usual since I'm working on getting my Crimson Fists up and running. The fluff regarding Waaaagh! Sniggrod (spelling?) wiping out most of the chapter on Rynn's World looks to occur very early in M41, like 700-999. The current age is 999990.M41 IIRC, meaning the Crimson Fists have had almost 100k years to recoup their losses. So are they back up to snuff or still missing members?

If I were to field a "modern-fluff" CF army, would it be sensible to include Kantor - given the 100k year difference? Dante was what, 10k? and he was considered ancient for a marine... I guess the easy way to play it would be to field them as a pre-Rynn's World army?

M41 means 41st milenium, a milenium is only 1000 years so how can 100,000 years ago still be in M41?

Well Lexicanum states that they are fewer than 500 Crimson Fists Space Marines but the SM codex also has an entry where Pedro is assisted by an eldar and in the last sentence it says he has rebuilt the chapter from ruin over the years.

Overall I believe it is not completely rebuilt but definitely at fighting strength. I really wanna know who the eldar, that is gonna have Pedro's blood on their fists, is though.

I also believe your time line is a little off so, yes it would be fine to include Pedro as he is very much alive and stubborn.

Any info on their Terminator suits because I think that they don't have them anymore.

IvanTih wrote:Any info on their Terminator suits because I think that they don't have them anymore.

I looked , harder than I normally would, for info on this but all I got was a history of the CF that states they were left with many specialists and not many normal marines which leads me to believe they would have a few suits of TDA available.

Not sure on sources of website and all but a quick fix would simply be to say that a squad of 1st company vets equipped in TDA had "luckily" been requisitioned by an Inquisitor and the location was unknown.
The CF's loyalty to the Inquisition and the secretive nature of the organization would make this plausible.
So they would have survived New Rynn.

Also I'd like to believe their monastery was a little like the Fang for SW in that the suits of TDA could have survived in a highly armored vault, hidden deep in the chasms of the Hellblade Mountains, safe from the magic missle that nearly wiped out a chapter.

Lethargic Ulfur wrote:
I looked , harder than I normally would, for info on this but all I got was a history of the CF that states they were left with many specialists and not many normal marines which leads me to believe they would have a few suits of TDA available.
Not sure on sources of website and all but a quick fix would simply be to say that a squad of 1st company vets equipped in TDA had "luckily" been requisitioned by an Inquisitor and the location was unknown.
The CF's loyalty to the Inquisition and the secretive nature of the organization would make this plausible.
So they would have survived New Rynn.

according to the book Rynn's world, much of the 1st company was assigned to the protection of New Rynn City prior to the disaster. According to the planet strike "Battle for New Rynn city" organization chart the crimson fists had 19 suits of terminator armor.

Lethargic Ulfur wrote:
Also I'd like to believe their monastery was a little like the Fang for SW in that the suits of TDA could have survived in a highly armored vault, hidden deep in the chasms of the Hellblade Mountains, safe from the magic missle that nearly wiped out a chapter.

unfortunatly the armoury was hit by the rogue missile and their plasma store exploded destroying the chapter monastary

As for the orginal post as of the book Crimson Tears, the crimson fists are at about 500 marines

PS: Kantor is only 500 years old (IIRC)

Joetaco wrote:

Lethargic Ulfur wrote:
I looked , harder than I normally would, for info on this but all I got was a history of the CF that states they were left with many specialists and not many normal marines which leads me to believe they would have a few suits of TDA available.
Not sure on sources of website and all but a quick fix would simply be to say that a squad of 1st company vets equipped in TDA had "luckily" been requisitioned by an Inquisitor and the location was unknown.
The CF's loyalty to the Inquisition and the secretive nature of the organization would make this plausible.
So they would have survived New Rynn.

according to the book Rynn's world, much of the 1st company was assigned to the protection of New Rynn City prior to the disaster. According to the planet strike "Battle for New Rynn city" organization chart the crimson fists had 19 suits of terminator armor.

Lethargic Ulfur wrote:
Also I'd like to believe their monastery was a little like the Fang for SW in that the suits of TDA could have survived in a highly armored vault, hidden deep in the chasms of the Hellblade Mountains, safe from the magic missle that nearly wiped out a chapter.

unfortunatly the armoury was hit by the rogue missile and their plasma store exploded destroying the chapter monastary

As for the orginal post as of the book Crimson Tears, the crimson fists are at about 500 marines

PS: Kantor is only 500 years old (IIRC)

Thanks,CF terminator question has been a mystery for me.

Thanks for the feedback and info, folks. I was definitely off on the timeline - got carried away with the 9's and 0's.

It's probably already been said, but it takes about 10 or so years to fully train and prepare a human for becoming a Space Marine, so yes, the Crimson Fists would still be considerably under strength, seeing as it's only been a decade since the assault on Rynn's World.

'Course they are, since GW isn't going to advance the time line even a second.

IIRC aren't terminatros only foudn in the 1st company (also called the Crusade Company)? Also i think Pedro, as well as beign chapter master, is also the captain of the 1st company.

Not sure onthe exact rules but in my army i have a squad of Termies and a squad of Sternguard Vets, i have painted them all with 1st company markings.

Soladrin wrote:'Course they are, since GW isn't going to advance the time line even a second.

Not exactly being fair there. It is now M42 in the fluff (though if you can find a discernible difference between it and M41, then you win a medal)

Easy in M42 everything is more expensive. And we can now feel the pain a clerc feels when he orders a space marine assault.

There are some books set in the M42.