Eldar footsloggers - Check 'Army lists' for the new topic please

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**Space_Potato**

I'm not sure if this is meant to go in this section, but what the hell.

Hello, I may soon be starting up an eldar army. Footsloggers. I do not own the codex, so I come to the people of Dakka for answers.

Are footslogging eldar a viable choice?

Also I plan to build the following army (I don't know the points values, or upgrades, so any suggestions are welcome):

10 dire avengers
5 dire avengers
5 dire avengers
6 rangers
3 jet bikes
5 fire dragons
5 fire dragons
5 dark reapers
Autarch (fusion gun and scorpion chainsword + whatever)

I will probably be taking Exarchs on everything.
How much will this army (points-wise) cost with upgrades, gubbinz, etc?
Is the above list competitive?
Any tactics anyone can reccomend for the build? (I plan to alternate bladestorms on the DA's in later turns, and blast the crap out of eveything else that moves, with jet bikes gunning for the far objective, unless anyone can come up with something better)

Any variations on the list are cool by me (I have no idea about costs, but I want to keep it at around 1000 points - I may be a bot ambitious about what I can fit into the list)

S_P

Automatically Appended Next Post:
It appears I was ridiculously over-optimistic.

After looking through some White Dwarf's, I'm now looking at:
Farseer (spirit stones, singing spear, Doom, Fortune) - 133
10 Dire Avengers (exarch - dual catapults, Bladestorm) - 152
10 Dire Avengers (exarch - dual catapults, Bladestorm) - 152
10 Dire Avengers (exarch - dual catapults, Bladestorm) - 152
10 Guardians (Bright Lance platform, warlock - singing spear) - 138
5 Fire Dragons (exarch - firepike) - 100
5 Fire Dragons (exarch - firepike) - 100
3 Jetbikes - 66

Total - 993

Any comments? Changes? Associated tactics? Also, can a mod move this to army lists please?

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**reidy1113**

If you are going to footslog Eldar you need some Guardians. I know everyone says that they are rubbish but you'll need the long range heavy weaponry to start with to pick off enemy units. Dire Avengers are good and so too are Rangers. Fire Dragons will most likely be targeted so they are better in transports IMO. Jetbikes are pointless. 3 of them? No need. Another Farseer will help.
In honesty I wouldn't footslog with Eldar. Toughness 3 and relatively low range weaponry makes victories few and far between as you will be easily crushed. Possibly throw in some Swooping Hawks though if you are going to go with the footslog idea as they shake things up a bit by Deep Striking behidn the enemy, dropping grenades then pop-shotting.
The great thing about Eldar is the variety of armies you can have with them: Mechanised, footslog, artillery, sniping etc... Go with the one that suits your style of play and most importantly, have fun with them. It isn't always easy to win with Eldar but it is easy to have great fun playing them, as I do a lot. The look on my opponents faces as my Grav- Tanks float around relatively untouchable as they drop in Fire Dragons to pop that pesky Land Raider or Trygon the enemy has or Dire Avengers/Guardians with a Farseer/Warlock which crush an horde of Orks/Guard/Gaunts in one round of shooting.

Basically, try what you think is best for you and most of all, have fun!!!

**Crimson Cobra**

The Avatar is practically required if you're going to try this because he makes all eldar within 12" fearless.

**Exarch_Nektel**

You need the Avatar, keep the Farseer, and drop Some Dire Avengers for more defenders. Also, the fire dragons WILL NOT last long. Drop them for wraithlords.

**Space_Potato**

Sooo......

Less Dire Avengers
No Fire Dragons
Wraithlords
More Gurdians
No Jetbikes

I figured I would use the jetbike to harass enemy support and snatch/contest last minute objectives, but what the hell

Another Farseer or the Avatar? What it recommended?
What's peoples views on having warlocks in Guardian squads?

Thanks for the input dudes(or dudettes)

:EDIT: Also, what are people's opinions on rangers, wraithguard, support batteries and dark reapers?

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**epil**

Your probibly going to want some elite choice, the eldar have awsome elite choices. Strikeing scorps for infiltrating. Or banchies for power weps. Or the harlies for kick *&( killer clowns.

**BobTheChainsaw**

All I know is that 'Footdar' is considered a joke at YTTH, so... they're probably not the best.

**Space_Potato**

The Footdar will crush all beneath their boots.

Eventually.

I am drafting up a 1500 list (I had to up the army size to include everything).

At the moment it is:
Farseer
Avatar
4x Guardians with bright lance
2x Dire Avengers
3x Vypers EML
2x Dark reapers

Will post the list for your C&C when it's done

S_P

**Space_Potato**

Okay peeps, here's the list, for your C&C.

Maugan Ra - 195
Avatar of Khaine - 155
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Bright lance platform, Warlock - singing spear) - 138
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Bright lance platform) - 110
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Bright lance platform) - 110
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Eldar Missile launcher platform) - 100
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Eldar Missile launcher platform) - 100
Guardian Squad (10 guardians, Eldar Missile launcher platform) - 100
Dark Reapers (5 reapers, Exarch, Tempest launcher, Fast shot) - 227
Vypers (2 Vypers, both with Eldar missile launcher) - 130
Vypers (2 Vypers, both with Eldar missile launcher) - 130

I have gone very much for Fearless Guardian spam. The Lance squads are dedicated anti-tank, whereas anything with an EML is in for versatility.

Any comments welcome dudes. Also, can a mod move this to army lists please?

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**wuestenfux**

Well, a Farseer with fortune and an Avatar are a must-have.
Moreover, you need to fill all HS slots.
I'd consider 2 Wraithlords with bright lances and emls, and a squadron of 3 Warwalkers with scatter lasers.
Then you need a counter-strike unit, like Harlies with kisses incl. a Shadowseer.

**Space_Potato**

Is a farseer really that necessary? Can I not replace one with some warlocks in my guardian units?

Anyways, I'll take the counter assault unit stuff into consideration, I'm trying to take minis that are relatively small, as I don't have a wholelot of transport space.

Thanks for the input Wuestenfux

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**wuestenfux**

Well, a Farseer is mandatory here.
She eventually needs to fortune the Avatar or guide the Warwalkers, and runes are awesome.

**Space_Potato**

Ok, cheers for that, I'll implement that.

I'm working on a new list, with some vehicleage, and some counter-attack units. I'll get it up later on today.

S_P

**wuestenfux**

Okay. If you want vehicles I'd opt for blade storming DA in Serpents or Fire Dragons in Serpents.

**Space_Potato**

Here it is peeps:

Farseer (Rune of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Guide, Doom) - 130pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Guardians with Warlock (Missile Launcher Platform, Singing Spear) - 128pts
5 Rangers - 95pts
6 Striking Scorpions (Exarch, Scorpions Claw) - 123pts
6 Howling Banshees (Exarch, Mirrorswords, Warshout) - 123pts
- Wave Serpent (Twin-linked Bright Lance) - 135pts
Wraithlord (Bright Lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts
Wraithlord (Bright Lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts

As for the battle plan:
The whole army moves forward on turn 1 and hunkers down in cover. The Serpent with the Banshees whips to one side.
From here on in, it's shoot the living hell out everything, making assessments on the most threatening opponent.
Should the Avengers be assaulted, the shimmershield and defend will give them some durability, when they are later bolstered by the scorpions.
The banshees whip around a flank, deploy, and assault a threatening unit, where the Serpent continues to pester tanks.

How's that for a slice o' fried gold?

Comments are welcome dudes and dudettes

S_P

**TherVadam**

I think you could take off a Dire Avenger squad for the Avatar. Also, how many points is this, 1500? Sorry, too tired to do the math, but if you want to test this list, I'll try you on vassal, just pm me later.

**Space_Potato**

It's bang on 1500. And what the hell is Vassal?

Kind of a noob when it comes to the whole interweb thing

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**Devastator**

find gwar! avatar that will explain everything

**wuestenfux**

The army needs an Avatar.
It helps the troops to stay alive as they can walk in the Avatar's fearless bubble
and the Avatar is a monster in cc.
I'd consider Fire Dragons in the Serpent as they can hop out and destroy that damned tank.

**Space_Potato**

I'm not too keen on Fire Dragons, they're useful, I'm just not too fond.

What should I take out to fit the avatar in?

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**wuestenfux**

I think that 3 scoring units are sufficient.
For this, I'd drop one DA unit.
The Scorpions are a bit pointless unless their Exarch has the infiltrate ability
allowing the unit to outflank.

**Grignard**

I think foot eldar only get effective as points go up, as in my opinion you need that troop unit wraithguard screen

**Space_Potato**

I was thinking if using the Scorpions as an armoured counter assault unit, to charge those that charge my dire avengers.

Anyways, I'll take out the scorpions and replace one unit of DA with an avatar.
I have 130 points to play with. Any suggestions? I'm thinking a pair of EML Vypers....

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**wuestenfux**

Grignard is right about the Wraithguard.
It would give your army a big boost.

**Grignard**

Space_Potato wrote:I was thinking if using the Scorpions as an armoured counter assault unit, to charge those that charge my dire avengers.

Anyways, I'll take out the scorpions and replace one unit of DA with an avatar.
I have 130 points to play with. Any suggestions? I'm thinking a pair of EML Vypers....

S_P

If you're going to use a counter assault unit, I'd consider banshees over scorps. The reason is that if you have a farseer with doom, then banshees are probably better in cc. Also, if you're not infiltrating or flanking the scorps I think you're not using the unit to the best of its ability.

**Space_Potato**

I will be using banshees, and I can see what you mean about scorpions.

Can someone copy/paste my list, and make the changes necessary to get the Avatar and Wraithguard (with warlock of course) in, whilst keeping it under 1500pts please?

Cheers in advance if I don't reply right away

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**Grignard**

Space_Potato wrote:I will be using banshees, and I can see what you mean about scorpions.

Can someone copy/paste my list, and make the changes necessary to get the Avatar and Wraithguard (with warlock of course) in, whilst keeping it under 1500pts please?

Cheers in advance if I don't reply right away

S_P

The doom part with banshees is pretty important. Also, focus on things with armor like MEQs. Don't mess with orks, or anything that is good in HtH but doesn't have great armor, you'll want some other way to deal with that because you're wasting the power swords. Banshees are a great way to deal with high initiative or in cover targets because of the mask. Even if you're technically outmatched, if you can kill a few before they get to hit, you might end up ahead. Take the executioner, as IMHO you need that str 5 whack a lot more than you need a couple more attacks.

**Space_Potato**

I don't own the codex at the moment, I'm going from stuff I can find in White Dwarf mostly.

How much will the banshees cost if you take the previous unit I posted and replace the mirrorswords with the executioner?

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**DaveL**

Get the codex (or at least do a thorough read-through) first. Seriously. Otherwise, you're likely to end up with a small, slow, fragile army that doesn't work for you.
Maybe footdar does work for some people, but that doesn't mean they will for you. Look at the actual stats and think about the units and how you'd use them before you buy hundred of dollars' worth of models for an army that (to me, at least) seems very difficult to use well.

**Inquisitor_Syphonious**

BobTheChainsaw wrote:All I know is that 'Footdar' is considered a joke at YTTH, so... they're probably not the best.

I almost cried, I laughed so hard.

Space_Potato wrote:Here it is peeps:

Farseer (Rune of Witnessing, Spirit Stones, Guide, Doom) - 130pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Dire Avengers (Exarch, Shimmershield, Power Weapon, Defend) - 162pts
10 Guardians with Warlock (Missile Launcher Platform, Singing Spear) - 128pts
5 Rangers - 95pts
6 Striking Scorpions (Exarch, Scorpions Claw) - 123pts
6 Howling Banshees (Exarch, Mirrorswords, Warshout) - 123pts
- Wave Serpent (Twin-linked Bright Lance) - 135pts
Wraithlord (Bright Lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts
Wraithlord (Bright Lance, Wraithsword) - 140pts

As for the battle plan:
The whole army moves forward on turn 1 and hunkers down in cover. The Serpent with the Banshees whips to one side.
From here on in, it's shoot the living hell out everything, making assessments on the most threatening opponent.
Should the Avengers be assaulted, the shimmershield and defend will give them some durability, when they are later bolstered by the scorpions.
The banshees whip around a flank, deploy, and assault a threatening unit, where the Serpent continues to pester tanks.

How's that for a slice o' fried gold?

Comments are welcome dudes and dudettes

S_P

I don't know how without changing it too much, though as people have said, avatar makes a list like this go 'round.

Shaun of the Dead...

Space_Potato wrote:It's bang on 1500. And what the hell is Vassal?

Kind of a noob when it comes to the whole interweb thing

S_P

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