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At a later date the contents of this first post were revealed to be a joke by the OP.



I got this info during a three way discussion with a buddy of mine and a friend of his...who's involved in game design. People will refute these "rumours" and thats cool, take this with a grain of salt if you wish. You Grey Knight fans though, I know you want news and I'm here to tell you that there's hope.

I wasnt really paying attention to the "Inquisition" part. Instead I mainly payed attention to the Grey Knight info. Just a couple of little tidbits though...

-Allies rules are indeed gone. No more mystics for you guard players. In fact...none for anybody.

-Inquisitorial stormtroopers brought in-line with Guard ST's.

-Somehow, assassins cannot be used in Grey Knight armies.

-Inquisitor's psychic powers have been boosted significantly, they're really powerful characters now able to wreak havoc BUT they're pretty easy to kill still...still human w/T3. They're really extreme with the ability to rival some of the Special Characters out there in power but with the survivability of Guardsmen with 4+ invuln's. You can still get terminator armour for them but you TRADE your 4+ invuln for Terminator armour for 2+/5++. Basically, you cannot make a tank out of them. Mystics are GONE BTW. I was surprised at this. Daemonhunter's cannont shoot down any old deepstriking thing anymore.

Now, where I was REALLY interested, and kept the guy talking for a while was with the Grey Knights. I hope I got most of this right, I never wrote any down but the jist of the conversation is here...

-"Shrouding" is now as-per night fighting rules. Infantry only gain effect.

-I wasnt able to get any info on the bonuses against daemons, but the "without number" rules are still there for core units and changed just a little bit. The rule isnt the same but it still represents how Grey Knight daemon/chaos drop sites (yes chaos lesser daemons are included) are normally highly infested and there is indeed a problem that warrents them being there.

-No Changes to Grey Knight Weaponry other than stated below. Incinerators are the same, Psycannons are same except for now they're simply Assault Weapons.

-ALL Grey Knights are able to use their SB's in CC now. They also get their charge bonus.

-Nemesis Weapons on power armoured knights are str 6 still, but now RENDING. Justicar loses his power weapon status and is now just Rending with an add'l attack for his SGT status

-The Generic big commander, Grand Master (but with name change), his Nemesis is not simply a Force Weapon, BUT "Demonic Nemesis" rules state that it can Kill Daemons like a Force Weapon can kill non-EW multi-wound Models.

-Terminator Nemesis weapons are still power weapons, but keep in mind...they can use their stormbolters now in CC.

-Storm Sheilds brought in line with SM codex. Terminators can trade SB's for Sheilds for +5pts. Nemesis' can be traded for T-Hamm for free....wierd.

-Storm Ravens are a Heavy support Choice. StormRavens are able to get Scout somehow, but not in their selection. Maybe another Special Character or some Grand Master skill or peice of Wargear or something allows it. No other Scouting or Infiltration availiable in the army. Deepstriking only.

-Dreadnoughts now an Elite Choice, ONLY elites though. Psychic Upgrade availiable but at two levels, think Epistolary/Codicier. (of course, since every Grey Knight is supposed to be a Psycher)

-LR's, now out of the HS slot, Dedicated only now A-la, blood angels. No rhino's, chimera's or razorbacks for Grey Knights still.

-Terminators are Elite OR HQ Retinue still...same as before. Of course this all enables 3xstormraven/Dreadnought and 2xTermi squads at the same time, but you're paying some steep cost in points.

-In a strange twist, PA Grey Knights in the FA selection slot can now have jump packs. Divine Intervention as well. They can still deepstrike via teleportation instead however. Dunno (forgot to ask) if Divine Intervention will apply to this deepstriking or not. It would make sense I suppose...possibly giving you a reason to have a choice between JP's(advantage in Stormraven) or deep strike (advantage to deepstriking below)

-Brother Captain Stern is MUCH like Mephiston. Powerful Psyker, more than normal wounds for a character(either 4or5), Non-IC, T5, 2+/4++, His "RR power" is now a psychic ability turning into a sort of "Warptime" allowing him to RR his hits/wounds/saves/Ld/Ect but with no bonus for the enemy like last time. I suppose thats because it can be nullified now. His price is right around Mephiston level. His "Demonic Nemesis" rules also extend to ANY IC. Basically, his Nemesis can still Slay Eternal Warriors of any type. They're really plugging this Character...he's the "big daddy" in the codex. Sort of a prodigy of Grey Knighthood that even surpasses the Grand Masters in skill.

-"Holocaust". No more "unit" casting for the terminators...only skillful characters can use this one. Can be cast during shooting AND CC if the character is able to throw two powers a turn. Essentially, its an incinerator blast with a 3"+d3 that hits FRIEND AND FOE. AP4, no Cover, No Invuln.

-Sgt Types can be upgraded for psychic abilities too (apparently, they "focus" the squad's psychic abilities like a lens), if they die, no more Phychics for the squad. RR's to hit for unit. This to hit can be for CC OR for shooting. I found out about it when I asked if Purgation squads were still availiable and if they did anything to make them better. He responded with this, five possible weapon upgrades, and the fact that cost went down for the upgrades just a bit to make them more useful. Speaking of that, upgrading incinerators and psycannons sounds like GW realises that you GIVE UP Nemesis weapons for these options...the cost for the weapon trade isnt nearly as much.

-Also, there was something about "Decent of Angels" for deepstriking units. He didnt mention the exact name of the ability, but apparently, Grey Knights are as adept at teleporting as BA's are with Deepstriking JP's.

He talked a little more about how the BA codex was a sort of "test bed" for some abilities that this codex was going to have. They look alot alike but the basic troops here are better...and the point costs reflect it. This army will STILL be very elite and small. But Psychics, characters, and speed with stormravens is "off the chain".

Elite BA's. Yay...

T_VanderZwaag wrote:Elite BA's. Yay...

It does sound like elite badasses, yes...

If 3/4 of that is true...I have a feeling my bank account is going to show A LOT of Games Workshop related transactions in the next coming months...

This sounds absolutely magnificent. I think my wallet just got exorcised.

I was sceptical at first when I clicked in here, but these rumours seem pretty much in line with the trend that the new codexes are taking.

....but Scouting Stormravens? JESUS! Thats fairly heinous. Good thing its not a normal ability, I'd hope that would be granted to only one Stormraven due to a special character or something. Maybe like a Stormraven 'pilot' like the tank commanders that marines and IG have access to? That might be interesting.

I also like the BC Stern idea. Sounds like the fluff may be pumping him up a bit! neat!

I talked to my bro that was also part of this discussion...he reminded me that it is indeed a Stormraven "Pilot" that gives the SCOUT movement. He has one other ability as well but he doesnt remember what it is other than its something protective.

Any idea on time frame?

/Thanks for the rumors

The idea of BC stern being hardcore is cool and all, but I don't like the idea of him not being an independent character.

He should never have a jetpack or any ability to fly... he's wearing terminator armor. no "wings" power would make sense for him. If they wanna pump him up, and make him have more wounds and do more damage, fine. but let him stay with his retinue.

I'm in a great position if these rumors are true... I have ~15 GK terminators and ~30 GK infantry sitting around my house gathering dust, along with 2 GK dreads and 3 GK land raiders Looks like they may be coming out of mothballs soon.

August was what he said, which is in line with the current rumours on its release I beleive.

Stern may not be able to fly, but you could easily stick him into a Stormraven.

Plus they could easily give him some "Gate" type Psychic power but thats pure speculation.

He really doesnt NEED any sort of speed since he's so resiliant though, heavier armour/saves than Mephiston with T5? Still unclear if he's EW or not. If he can RR all SAVES including cover or Invuln via some Warptime power, he'll be quite save just walking toward your lines with a look of HATE in his eyes....I like it.

This goes along what some of the Vegas rumors were saying; interesting stuff.

Two things that irk me though...

-Inquisitorial stormtroopers brought in-line with Guard ST's.
gak. Well, have fun you not-pure GK players.

-Somehow, assassins cannot be used in Grey Knight armies.
Fffffffffffffffffff

Also, I'm amused to see so many mechanics that I used for my fake data sheets here. I'm not saying that what the OP wrote is fake, but instead that either great minds think alike, or something else

Edit:

Beerfart wrote:August was what he said, which is in line with the current rumours on its release I beleive.

You did see the news about Daemon minis in August, yeah?

HOLY Imperator!!!!!!!!!


not exactly what i was expecting, but that sounds neat.

was there any mention of Jetbikes?


Love Rending on the NFWs

Not THAT surprising that new daemon minis would come out at the same time as this codex.

Now these sound interesting indeed...


In fact, they sound very much like news/rumor, so I'll move it there!

No Allies rules? And likely the same fate for Witchhunters, I would wager? Go gak yourselves, Games Workshop.

why would marines want to use their storm bolter in close combat? str6 rending with 2-3 attacks is better than two shots at str4 ap5. do you mean they get to keep their 2-CCW bonus to attacks with the stormbolter ala true grit?

Smashotron wrote:No Allies rules? And likely the same fate for Witchhunters, I would wager? Go gak yourselves, Games Workshop.

Someone is sad that he can't field an Inquisitor and two mystics?

Now for a general question, we know that in the past there have been mini releases + new codex within the same month, so technically August is still a viable month for a release. What I want to know though is how the announcements were handled during these months. Simultaneous? Non-simultaneous?

Smashotron wrote:No Allies rules? And likely the same fate for Witchhunters, I would wager? Go gak yourselves, Games Workshop.

Is the "no allies" rumor really that surprising? GW's pattern has been to simplify, remove complex/confusing rules, and make each codex independent of the others.

Bummer about the no allies / assassin. I had plans to add an Inq Lord and Vindicare to my (fluffy) sniper heavy guard force.


Oh well.

Ah, missed that part about him re-rolling all saves...

if he's toughness 5 or 6, with a 2+/4++ save, with 4 wounds.... then yes, i'm fine with him not being able to move

an interesting thing, it looks as though stormshield + nemesis weapons might be a viable option in this codex for GK... hopefully we will see that option available on power armor GK as well as terminators. I'd love to chuck a stormshield or two in with my power armor GK.

Vhalyar wrote:
Someone is sad that he can't field an Inquisitor and two mystics?

No, I just started converting my own heavy infantry models for my traitor IG army to count-as Sisters of Battle. I was hoping they would still be useful after the next WH codex.

Skarboy wrote:
Is the "no allies" rumor really that surprising? GW's pattern has been to simply, remove complex/confusing rules, and make each codex independent of the others.

I am not surprised, just being overly optimistic. But honestly, I think Daemons and CSM should have Allies rules and WH and IG should too. GKs with IG was always a stretch for me, but I think Sisters and Guardsmen have synergy in-game.

From what I understand, the way GW looks to be going with the Inquisition is a combined Inquisition book, a Grey Knights book, and a SoB book, so these rumors fit that pretty well (mainly the no assassin bit).

Unfortunately, if that IS true, it means we have longer to wait for Chaos Legions books (DAMNIT, I WANT MY THOUSAND SONS!)

it really makes sense, daemons second wave and daemon hunters dex in the same month

I bet they will make a whole big thing about it

Oh no, I was planning only on REDOING my grey knights not adding two them (apart from one tricked LR or two)

Oh well, at least I have a "Savings" acount

GK codex looks to be shaping up great. I can't wait to see what they do with assassins and their power level. Right now they are chumps compared to all the unique characters in the game. Assassins should have little problems taking out character targets. That's their whole reason for existing....LOL.

gothgar wrote:it really makes sense, daemons second wave and daemon hunters dex in the same month

No it doesn't.

For the ddemons we're getting : Fateweaver, The Changling, plastic demon prince, plastic seekers and plastic horrors, with an outside chance of a metal herald model or two and some are even saying plastic Bloodcrushers as well.

And for Grey Knights we'd be looking at something like : plastic troops, plastic termies, Stormraven, and a few metal models suc as special characters, odd weapon options etc etc. And the codex.

..in one month ...?

I would love for this to be the case.. although my wallet would scream otherwise, but -- especially 1 month after the launch of one of their core games -- I can't see GW releasing all of that.

It's not impossible that GK and DE have swapped places in the running order... but if so I don't think the available slot was ever August for either one of them.

If grey knights are released in plastic i hope they retain the level of detail on the metal models.

And that they keep the metal ones in production.

well even if they discontinue the metal ones and the codex becomes y like certain sparkely marines, those of us with the old metal ones will be able to say we began when GKs were



Jump packs on FA grey knights. not very fluffy, but would be a deadly unit.

I wonder if they will give the Troops the option for the jump pack.

scoring, 12" movement, Power armored MEQs with incinerators. i smell large quantities of WIN, but the fluff'o meter is crying foul.

Nice juicy rumours - seems more legit, nothing outrageous - everything sounds cool - can't wait.

Like I said in the other thread I really hope that Inquisitors are either eternal warrior or not independent characters. They should not have higher than toughness 3, but at the same time a single imperial guard squad with a powerfist sarge will just pick them out and murder them and a 4+ or 5+ invul isn't going to help much.