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Hey, new here google searches of female space marines eventually brought me to these forums which i found fairly interesting with the painting and modeling section. Currently I have about a total of 3 armies Tau, Tyranids, a small force of Damon Hunters, and lastly the one I'm working on Space wolves aka my Fox Marines army.

Now the Idea for this army is that instead of a wolf of which is a great choice for a pack mentality but for this army I'm going with a Fox(cause its my favorite animal). I know that foxes are usually live in the wild solo but they also at times stay in small 'families'.

part 1.

Currently the SM models I have are the standard SM and I have them painted in a snow camouflage style for my original idea of Ghost Marines, but I've decided to go with the space wolf army template instead thus daubing them "Fox Marines" for my choice of animal.

their current paint scheme is this (photobucket is being really weird and isn't letting me upload anything, uploaded to the dakkadakka gallery and now you can see them)


I decided to follow how the original Space Wolves did their armor, with 1 major primary color with a bright contrasting Trim color. The primary of the armor will be codex gray with blazing orange trim with highlights of lighter grays for the armor using dry brushing and a yellow and orange highlight for the shoulder trim. The eyes will be green with the metal parts being chain mail. Then lastly around the boots and lower shins will be a brown/gray mix for that muddy look of running around the battle field. Lastly the pelts with be complemented with a "Fox" pelt style to represent the Dire Foxes (equivalent of the space wolves home planet wolves) of my chapters home world.

What they will eventually look like is this. (fixed the quality cause I charged the batteries of my camera)


sample 2



In total I have about 35 regular marines (of which are 10 terminators, 23 power armor marines, 1 HQ terminator, 1 HQ wolf/rune priest) 2 of which are actual space wolf models (are shown in the pics) are the only wolf or I should say Fox element of my current selection of models.

- So basically I need to "Fox" up most of the other models to make the army look interesting and to make the models look like how most of the new Space wolf models look without having to scrap the lot and buy all new models, any inexpensive tips and tricks would be greatly appreciated for this part of my army. As well on another note my armies home planet is a primal world with general culture of the planet being of a Native American type of society with very slight Viking influences. So instead of pelts, skulls, and runes as the primary decoration of the space wolves, it will consist of Pelts, eagle like Feathers, some runes, and very few skulls. I do have some left over bits from my brothers space wolf army but it is very little with the wolf tails and a bolter or two.

Part 2.

Now part 2 of my army is probably everyone's favorite topic, Female Space Marines. Now lets start off with saying that I HAVE DONE MY REASURCH, and I know by the original cannon and fluff that female SM's technical wouldn't work, but at the same time there are enough gaps in the SM history to have a small chance of working.

1. Two of the original 20 Primarchs are missing and records say "All data expunged" and there is plenty of speculation as far as what happened to these 2 missing legions. For all we know one of them could have been an experimental female space marine legion that may have had minor achievements but ultimately the overall success rate of a recruit making it through the SM transformation process was too low and thus the idea was scrapped.

2. Here's a couple of links that incorporate females into their space marine army and give very good explanations why they are their.
-Fighting Tigers of Veda
http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls.html
http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls2.html

-Valkyries of the Omnissiah
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49560

Now how I am going to incorporate Female space marines is that they are only going to be about every 5th model if not a greater spacing, and primarily in the Wolf Scout unit.

On the Fox Marines planet the population is 60% female 40% male and in their culture Every One Fights, both men and women. With what happened to the chapter they can't exactly be picky about new recruits, because the brother of the primarch of the fox marine chapter stole away half of the fighting force to the powers of chaos and thus becoming the "Burning Legion Chaos marines". That coupled with one of the Adeptus Mechanicus had one of the female gene seed that was successful thus allowing female space marines to fill the gaps and the great losses the chapter has suffered. The fox marines in themselves are a 2rd founding chapter off the Space Wolves so the Chapter Primarch would originally have been a Space Wolf whom instead of a wolf gene chose a Fox gene insted. So it will only have around 1,000 space marines at a given time, well lets just say with about 500 of the 1,000 now gone the commanders and Primarch are gonna take what they can get their hands on to rebuild their chapter.

Now to the modeling part, from reasurch some of the best ways to do this is to either completely model some(not exactly an option i'm not a pro modeler and on a budget). Other way's I've heard is to use the GW wood elf archers and some Dark elf models form warhammer fantasy. As well as using some of the heads from the Chaper house Studios http://chapterhousestudios.com/webshop/ which has some female IG heads which can also be used for SM heads, along with the Reaper Miniatures which has a very nice selection here http://www.reapermini.com/. Note at the same time I would like to stay within the Games Workshop model range if by chance i go to a Games Day event where only GW models are allowed, and I would like to keep is as plastic as possible.

Now with heads out of the way, the primary of female representation in my army will be in the "Fox" scouts units where they have less armor on thus having a higher exposer of the female figure, where for this I could use the wood elf for dark elf plastics with a little bit of green stuff for minor modeling and covering to make them look like space marine scouts, any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

To sum it up any tip for making my mostly normal SM look more Fox(space wolf) like, and conversion tips and tricks for female space marines(specifically SM scouts) would be greatly appreciated.

Last note THIS IS THE MODELING AND PAINTING THREAD, LEAVE YOUR FLUFF IN THE FLUFF THREADS PLEASE.

I've been slowly working on modding my normal looking space marines to look more space wolf like and so far here's my first result.





and yes he dose have extra but padding.

Are any of the fem marines assembled or such?

I'm curious as to seeing one.

No, not currently. I don't have the parts for them yet but I do have a good Idea what I am going to use for them though.

Right now the first goal for this army is to get my current 33 ish very normal looking Space Marines looking more like Space wolves. Then purchase the new Space Wolf box set, a WE Glade guard box set, 2 SM scout boxes, and the female IG heads from Chaper house Studios. Along somewhere in there I will also purchase the new Space Wolf codex, i still have the 4th edition supplement one so I don't break any rules while I'm building them.

For the females in Power Armor it will be a simple head swap, but for the scouts its gonna be tricky. I'm planing on using a combo of WE archer parts and SM scout parts for the females and some green stuff (it will be my first time using it) and mostly Scout parts for the male scouts where it will be a ratio of about 2-3 out of 5 scouts will be female.

Also tack on 1 more box of Assault marines.

I thought all the models that he'd shown were female marines. Especially the Rune Priestess.

while the ones with helmets could very well be female marines, it would be kinda hard to pull of the Run Priestess with that much facial hair. Alas I asure you there will be female marines in my army, just not the whole army.

If you're going to be as full of testosterone as a Space Marine, it doesn't matter what sort of gonads you start with (actually it does, but since you're bent on female Marines we're ignoring the fluff that points out female Marines aren't possible), you're going to need to shave regularly. Ever seen a female bodybuilder? Like that, but bigger and more masculine.

indeed that is true.

Just some more modding to make them look more space wolf ish

here's my progress so far.





The one on the right is destined to become a female marine


the one on the front row far left is also destined to become a female marine. Just showing the progress that I've made and what I still need to do.
These one's I've painted over with the codex gray base of with is the first step of the paint-over, the two on the far right just need to be painted, and the one full gray guy needs a base coat of black.


gave this guy the gray over coat as well, and it looks like i still need to do some touch up.


the following are models I still have to do the paint over on, as you can see most of them are very Normal looking marines and need some Foxing up to make them look more like fox marines.



CC is welcome, more to come in time.

Thin down your paint with a little water, it goes a long way, and add higlights to the edges.

I don't know if you know this but there's a lot of Japanese mythlogy about foxes and fox spirits. They're called kitsune over here...

Hmm, I like this idea. I am excited to see more.

@Warmer - yeah I know but most of them are still in the first step of the paint over and will eventually look like this.



@ Jackanory - Yup, but I've been debating over how to incorporate some of the Japanese Fox Mythology into the army.

I also ordered the new space wolf codex last night so wile I'm building these guys I won't break any rules, picked up some more paints at my FLGS but they were out of green stuff, so I'm gonna continue doing as much modding as I can to my current SM then when I get the green stuff and green them up with some more pelts, feather seals, talismans ect. Then I can finish up the paint over and hopefully get my hands on some WE Glade Guard, SM scouts, the New Space Wolf box, and some assault marines, and add some female space marines to the army.

Nice work.

A pal of mine in Hawaii invented his own fox chapter several years back. Matter of fact, you can even get shoulder pads from a non-GW company that look just like the image on his design.
http://www.lava.net/~kitsune/Starfoxes.htm

Nice, thanks for the info. Defiantly bookmarking that page for future reference.

Update - Just ordered the 5th ed Space Wolf Codex, and got some Space Marine Scouts and WE Glade Guard off ebay. So hopefully they will arrive withing the week or two so I can start mocking up some female scouts and space marines, although I'll have to wait till later this week that my FLGS gets some more green stuff to I can Fox up my non-fox models.

Nice work.
I think you are very right that female marines should just have female heads on ordinary armour. I dont really see the problem with female marines. If fluff say its impossible, I say I have read some pretty lame fluff excuses for the most ridiculous fenomena (e.g TWC), so female marines is ok by me if you make up some decent fluff.

About the models. I find that painted runes make my SW look more wolfy, perhaps you could try some equaliant, like a recurring warpaint patern?
And you definatley need to make use of lukas the trickster if you are going for the fox theme. Remove his pelt and add a long orange fox tail hanging from the back of his belt, or something like that.

I like this theme

Fayric wrote:Nice work.
I think you are very right that female marines should just have female heads on ordinary armour. I dont really see the problem with female marines. If fluff say its impossible, I say I have read some pretty lame fluff excuses for the most ridiculous fenomena (e.g TWC), so female marines is ok by me if you make up some decent fluff.

Indeed, as far as fluff goes I think I have a fairly good Idea for how they will work, but that's for another thread.

Fayric wrote:
About the models. I find that painted runes make my SW look more wolfy, perhaps you could try some equaliant, like a recurring warpaint patern?
And you definatley need to make use of lukas the trickster if you are going for the fox theme. Remove his pelt and add a long orange fox tail hanging from the back of his belt, or something like that.

I like this theme

I intend to do some research on some native American patterns, specifically the geometric patterns because they will be both easy to paint and easy to recreate on multiple models. As far as special characters go I haven't thought about that yet but i'll keep Lukas the Trickster on mind he would probably make an excellent addition to the army.


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Another update -

Finished painting this guy he looks much better now and ready to join the Fox Marine Ranks.




Was trying out some ideas for patterns and so far the results aren't looking very promising, the only other way I can think of is to get a very fine tipped brush and paint them on that way. For these ones I was using a tooth pick. (these were done on a test model of course.)






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Just a minor update, I started a progress thread in the P&M Blog section, of which is more appropriate for showing my progress which can be found on this link ->

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/296932.page