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Personally, I believe that models like Mephiston were purposely not intended to be characters, as that imposes a certain additional set of limitations upon them. Single model units have a different set of rules pertaining to them than, say, Independent Characters.

While Mephiston not being a character might prevent "It's after me" from affecting him, it also prevents him from joining other units to avoid being shot.

kirsanth wrote:Page 49 is really the culprit, the more I read.

"these unique individuals, who stand out from normal characters because they have a personal name and not just a title, are called 'special characters' . . . Special characters can be either independent or upgrade characters"

This seems to imply that special characters have to be independent or upgrade characters--it only gives the allowance to be, however.

Individual, named models are special characters.

"Special Characters can be either independent or upgrade characters."

This doesn't explicitly limit Special Characters to being either Independent or Upgrade characters. It's saying that Independent and Upgrades are certainly members of the set "Special Characters", but not that they make up the entire membership.

I would also argue that if Special Characters were only Independent/Upgrade Characters (Who already have their own rules and definitions established) then adding the line "Who stand out from normal characters because they have a personal name, and not just a title, are called 'special characters' would be superfluous. The whole point in defining terms is so that instead of having to say "the measure of the physical power of a model or a weapon" every time, you can just say "Strength", or even S.

The extra bit about having a personal name sounds like Chekhov's Gun to me.

What is all this discussion on SPECIAL characters?

Doesn't Deathleaper say:
"nominate a enemy character model"
?

Meaning all this debate over what is a special character is pointless since Deathleaper just hits a character, not a special character.

CptZach wrote:Meaning all this debate over what is a special character is pointless since Deathleaper just hits a character, not a special character.

So do you think Mephiston, The Swarmlord, The Masque, et cetra are characters and can be affected by the Deathleaper? That's what we're ultimately discussing.

If Mephiston is a character then cant an IC (such as Dante, a Librarian, Priest, Chaplain, etc.) join him and form a so-called "super unit"?

DooDoo wrote:If Mephiston is a character then cant an IC (such as Dante, a Librarian, Priest, Chaplain, etc.) join him and form a so-called "super unit"?

Mephiston is a unit that always consists of a single model. Independent characters cannot join such units - p49.

No, as he is a unit that always consists of a single model.

editing to add:
7 seconds too slow.

Kumorikage wrote:

kirsanth wrote:Page 49 is really the culprit, the more I read.

"these unique individuals, who stand out from normal characters because they have a personal name and not just a title, are called 'special characters' . . . Special characters can be either independent or upgrade characters"

This seems to imply that special characters have to be independent or upgrade characters--it only gives the allowance to be, however.

Individual, named models are special characters.

"Special Characters can be either independent or upgrade characters."

This doesn't explicitly limit Special Characters to being either Independent or Upgrade characters. It's saying that Independent and Upgrades are certainly members of the set "Special Characters", but not that they make up the entire membership.

I would also argue that if Special Characters were only Independent/Upgrade Characters (Who already have their own rules and definitions established) then adding the line "Who stand out from normal characters because they have a personal name, and not just a title, are called 'special characters' would be superfluous. The whole point in defining terms is so that instead of having to say "the measure of the physical power of a model or a weapon" every time, you can just say "Strength", or even S.

The extra bit about having a personal name sounds like Chekhov's Gun to me.

Excellent summation. /agree

To say because he has a name that he is a character is definitely going by the RAW.

G