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Landrain wrote:Questions I have about the missions.. all about mission 1..

If mikhaila would respond with his intentions to rule on these saturday, would be greatly appreciated..

Mission 1:

1) If a unit is in a Transport must they disembark to dig?
2) if not needed to disembark, Can the transport fire while the unit inside digs?
3) Can a unit dig again, if bad result?
4) if a different unit gains objective can it dig, after it was already dug?

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

40ktwitch wrote:Mikahaila,

I saw on your website that the tournament starts at 9am. What time would you recommend us out of towners getting there?

Thanks,
Twitch

Muster at 9am, pairings done at 9:45 assuming we don't have calls and "I'm almost there!" people. Game one at 10am.


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Tomb King wrote:

Landrain wrote:Questions I have about the missions.. all about mission 1..

If mikhaila would respond with his intentions to rule on these saturday, would be greatly appreciated..

Mission 1:

1) If a unit is in a Transport must they disembark to dig?
2) if not needed to disembark, Can the transport fire while the unit inside digs?
3) Can a unit dig again, if bad result?
4) if a different unit gains objective can it dig, after it was already dug?

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

So, being as the word 'excavation' is used, I'm assuming you all are digging for buried treasure.

Answers:
1) Yes, disembark to dig.
2) NA, based on #1
3) No, once you get a result, that's what that objective is. Trap-1, Fake-2,3, Real-4,5, Treasure Trove-6
4) No, see #3

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

I'm going to say that you have to be in contact with the objective marker to make the roll, otherwise the Trap result is pretty much a moot point.

For those of you coming to the East, we are setting up terrain today. Trying to make sure each table has at least 25% terrain, and some of that will be tall enough to block LOS to vehicles, at least for cover saves. Mix of GW COD buildings, GF9 prepainted, and large rocky plateaus we dubbed "avatar scenery". Similar set up to tournaments we run if you've been here or seen pictures.

A couple people have dropped. At about 18 right now.

mikhaila wrote:

40ktwitch wrote:Mikahaila,

I saw on your website that the tournament starts at 9am. What time would you recommend us out of towners getting there?

Thanks,
Twitch

Muster at 9am, pairings done at 9:45 assuming we don't have calls and "I'm almost there!" people. Game one at 10am.


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Tomb King wrote:

Landrain wrote:Questions I have about the missions.. all about mission 1..

If mikhaila would respond with his intentions to rule on these saturday, would be greatly appreciated..

Mission 1:

1) If a unit is in a Transport must they disembark to dig?
2) if not needed to disembark, Can the transport fire while the unit inside digs?
3) Can a unit dig again, if bad result?
4) if a different unit gains objective can it dig, after it was already dug?

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

So, being as the word 'excavation' is used, I'm assuming you all are digging for buried treasure.

Answers:
1) Yes, disembark to dig.
2) NA, based on #1
3) No, once you get a result, that's what that objective is. Trap-1, Fake-2,3, Real-4,5, Treasure Trove-6
4) No, see #3

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

I'm going to say that you have to be in contact with the objective marker to make the roll, otherwise the Trap result is pretty much a moot point.

For those of you coming to the East, we are setting up terrain today. Trying to make sure each table has at least 25% terrain, and some of that will be tall enough to block LOS to vehicles, at least for cover saves. Mix of GW COD buildings, GF9 prepainted, and large rocky plateaus we dubbed "avatar scenery". Similar set up to tournaments we run if you've been here or seen pictures.

A couple people have dropped. At about 18 right now.

Interesting. Looks like i will just be playing for the board wipe massacre. Crosses fingers and hopes people build armies for low KP. They are easier to kill off.

mikhaila wrote:

40ktwitch wrote:Mikahaila,

I saw on your website that the tournament starts at 9am. What time would you recommend us out of towners getting there?

Thanks,
Twitch

Muster at 9am, pairings done at 9:45 assuming we don't have calls and "I'm almost there!" people. Game one at 10am.


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Tomb King wrote:

Landrain wrote:Questions I have about the missions.. all about mission 1..

If mikhaila would respond with his intentions to rule on these saturday, would be greatly appreciated..

Mission 1:

1) If a unit is in a Transport must they disembark to dig?
2) if not needed to disembark, Can the transport fire while the unit inside digs?
3) Can a unit dig again, if bad result?
4) if a different unit gains objective can it dig, after it was already dug?

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

So, being as the word 'excavation' is used, I'm assuming you all are digging for buried treasure.

Answers:
1) Yes, disembark to dig.
2) NA, based on #1
3) No, once you get a result, that's what that objective is. Trap-1, Fake-2,3, Real-4,5, Treasure Trove-6
4) No, see #3

To add to this it says once they come in contact with the objective. Is 3" good enough or do they actually have to contact the objective?

I'm going to say that you have to be in contact with the objective marker to make the roll, otherwise the Trap result is pretty much a moot point.

For those of you coming to the East, we are setting up terrain today. Trying to make sure each table has at least 25% terrain, and some of that will be tall enough to block LOS to vehicles, at least for cover saves. Mix of GW COD buildings, GF9 prepainted, and large rocky plateaus we dubbed "avatar scenery". Similar set up to tournaments we run if you've been here or seen pictures.

A couple people have dropped. At about 18 right now.

Thank you for responding quickly and simply.
So much better to go into a tournament knowing what to expect.

I would drive 6 hours to play in the finals if they were in LA, but Sacramento is 11 hours away and not worth it.

There is only a small chance of winning a prize and I do not think that they are that good in this round if I remember correctly. Also I have a ticket to the throne of skulls (which is not worth that much this year because you can buy a ticket) so I do not need that.

Blackmoor wrote:I would drive 6 hours to play in the finals if they were in LA, but Sacramento is 11 hours away and not worth it.

There is only a small chance of winning a prize and I do not think that they are that good in this round if I remember correctly. Also I have a tic
ket to the throne of skulls (which is not worth that much this year because you can buy a ticket) so I do not need that.

And I thought my 8 hour drive was bad!

But Blackmoor, if you go to Sacramento, you can play me! I think the last time we played was you VS my Thousand Sons back in the day =).

Leaving for MN now, I wish everyone the best of luck. I actually contemplated bringing my tau haha

Sir_Prometheus wrote:...Not a scenario for competitive play...

and that's why I gave up on the hard boy, so ironic:

Billed as the hardest most hardcore competition event ever with no paint, no comp and hardcore army builds encouraged!!!!!!

Then completely defused with absurd unique mystery missions, not even consistent between rounds.

It's pointless, and it's almost guaranteed to look terrible too with no painting standard!

Whats the point again?

It's the US Marines' or old-school GW Gladiator version of 'ard. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome.

The playing field is not always level, life isn't fair, and games aren't always either.

Heck, between codex matchups and terrain, even when using straight book scenarios or extremely well-designed ones (like Adepticon Champs), the playing field when you start any given game is not always level. I brought a fairly high-KP list to Adepticon and since KP was a factor in every mission, that was a hindrance in all four of my matchups, since my opponents had all built low.

Yes, having unbalanced scenarios makes it worse, but most AB scenarios (at least in the last three years) haven't been that bad. Only a couple have really been out there (like round 3 of the Prelim last year).

I made it to Minnesota in one piece surprisingly and re-coned the store. It looks like a pretty nice establishment up here and they have a ridiculous stock of warhammer, warhammer 40k, and anything GW. I didnt however like the treck through iowa. It was horrible and I think I drove past a bunch of pastors as it smelled of various smells all the way up. lol, looking forward to the competition in the morning and I will let you all know how it goes.

Tomb King wrote:.... drove past a bunch of pastors as it smelled of various smells all the way up...

lol...

Usually, Clergy bath regularly

I myself have made it to The East Coast Finals, will send an update later tonight on the outcome

Yay!

If anyone's posting on a smartphone, mid-day updates would be sweet.

And we need full reports later!

22 Players in the East (in the middle of round 1)

Army Player
Grey Knights Aaron Aleong
Blood Angels Edward Ennent
Imperial Guard Douglas Hepwert
Grey Knights Mattew Bennett
Imperial Guard Dustin Brinson
Orks Chris Bradly
Dark Eldar Nicolas Aad
Imperial Guard Rick Puig
Imperial Guard Max Rodriguez
Imperial Guard Chris Johnson
Imperial Guard Dustin Stevenson
SpaceMarines Brad College
Grey Knights Mark Billings
Eldar Jayze Eckerman
Space Wolves Mike Mirobelli
Imperial Guard Jesse Newton
Grey Knights Charles Peters
Imperial Guard Al Edel
Dark Eldar Matt Schultz
Dark Angels Bill Hennessey
Space Wolves Mike Twitchell
Dark Angels Leigh Brady

9 Players in Sacramento

Andy C. - Dual Wing Dark Angels
Keith M. - Orks
Ray S. - Orks
Austin W. - Dark Eldar
Reece R. - Swolves
Paul M. - Guard
Matthew S. - Grey Knights
Kyle C. - Guard
Adam G. - Eldar

Reecius is filming, so expect battle reports at some point.

East Coast
8 Imperial Guards
4 Grey Knights
2 Dark Eldar
2 Dark Angels
2 Space Wolves
1 Blood Angels
1 Ork
1 Space Marine
1 Eldar

West Coast
2 Orks
2 Imperial Guard
1 Dark Angels
1 Dark Eldar
1 Space Wolves (I believe that is what Reece is playing)
1 Grey Knight
1 Eldar



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Dogstar34 wrote:9 Players in Sacramento
Andy C. - Dual Wing Dark Angels

It is assumed that all Dark Angels are Deathwing armies with some bikes to back them up.

After Round 1 in the East

Player Game 1
Bill Hennessey 22
Aaron Aleong 21
Max Rodriguez 21
Dustin Brinson 19
Rick Puig 19
Mike Twitchell 19
Mattew Bennett 15
Dustin Stevenson 12
Brad College 12
Jesse Newton 11
Mark Billings 12
Jayze Eckerman 11
Charles Peters 11
Al Edel 11
Mike Mirobelli 10
Douglas Hepwert 9
Edward Ennent 5
Nicolas Aad 5
Chris Johnson 5
Chris Bradly 4
Leigh Brady 4
Matt Schultz 2

Blackmoor wrote:It is assumed that all Dark Angels are Deathwing armies with some bikes to back them up.

Maybe you assume that; I am just stating the subtype for completeness since I could already hear the question being asked

Whew! Glad to see a lot of Guard on the East. Sad I couldn't make it.

After 2 rounds in the East

Player Game 1 Game 2
Rick Puig 19 23
Dustin Brinson 19 20
Mark Billings 12 24
Aaron Aleong 21 14
Dustin Stevenson 12 23
Charles Peters 11 23
Al Edel 11 23
Bill Hennessey 22 9
Mattew Bennett 15 16
Max Rodriguez 21 6
Nicolas Aad 5 22
Chris Johnson 5 20
Brad College 12 9
Mike Twitchell 19 0
Matt Schultz 2 15
Jayze Eckerman 11 3
Jesse Newton 11 1
Leigh Brady 4 8
Edward Ennent 5 6
Mike Mirobelli 10 0
Douglas Hepwert 9 1
Chris Bradly 4 0

Go go gadget bolter!

And the final results:

1 Rick Puig 19 23 23 65 Imperial Guard
2 Mark Billings 12 24 22 58 Grey Knights
4 Bill Hennessey 22 9 22 53 Dark Angels
3 Charles Peters 11 23 16 50 Grey Knights
5 Mattew Bennett 15 16 19 50 Grey Knights
3 Aaron Aleong 21 14 9 44 Grey Knights
11 Brad College 12 9 23 44 SpaceMarines
7 Mike Twitchell 19 0 23 42 Space Wolves
1 Dustin Brinson 19 20 1 40 Imperial Guard
6 Chris Johnson 5 20 15 40 Imperial Guard
2 Dustin Stevenson 12 23 2 37 Imperial Guard
6 Nicolas Aad 5 22 9 36 Dark Eldar
8 Jayze Eckerman 11 3 22 36 Eldar
4 Al Edel 11 23 1 35 Imperial Guard
9 Leigh Brady 4 8 23 35 Dark Angels
5 Max Rodriguez 21 6 5 32 Imperial Guard
10 Douglas Hepwert 9 1 11 21 Imperial Guard
7 Matt Schultz 2 15 0 17 Dark Eldar
10 Chris Bradly 4 0 11 15 Orks
8 Jesse Newton 11 1 1 13 Imperial Guard
9 Edward Ennent 5 6 1 12 Blood Angels
11 Mike Mirobelli 10 0 0 10 Space Wolves

West coast final results:

Dark Eldar - 65 pts
Eldar - 51 pts
Guard - 40 pts
Orks - 37 pts
Guard - 36 pts
Grey Knights - 29 pts
Dark Angels - 27 pts
Space Wolves - 20 pts
Orks - 17 pts


Congrats to all who made the finals!

Fun day! I tied my first game to ig but would have won if we'd had time to finish. That was a bit of a bummer, but I should have been paying closer attention to time. I was psotioned correctly, but didn't have time for my finishing moves. Oh well.

Lost my second game to battlewagon orks, which is a really tough match-up for me. My opponent played a good game and man were his dice hot. He made damn near every kff save and morale check and pulled it out on me, 2 to 1. Good game.

I bounced after that as there was an odd number of players and I wanted to get a jump start on the ride home, which is why my score was so low. Congratz to the winners and thanks to great escape games for hosting a fun event!

I tied Austin (west coast winner) in the semi-finals in Phoenix and I hope he resolved the some of the issues that we had in our game.

But he is a really good player.

Rumor has it that some nerdy guy named Oliver won the midwest. He played this cheesey chaos space marine list. PPPPFFFFFF, Chaos Space Marines, just push the easy button.

specia_k_squared wrote:Rumor has it that some nerdy guy named Oliver won the midwest. He played this cheesey chaos space marine list. PPPPFFFFFF, Chaos Space Marines, just push the easy button.

Interesting? Didnt figure he would pull it out against the dark eldar player that he faced in the third round. He played Blood Angels, unknown, and dark eldar.


I played my IG at the midwest:

Round 1: Inquistor Grey knights with 3 storm ravens with a librarian shrouding (Minor victory 3 to 1, both my objectives were fakes and nearly cost me the game)
Round 2: Blood Angels (2 baal preds, 2 storm ravens, 2 furiouso and, and a couple las plas razorbacks) Would of tied on table quarters but he failed a leadership test and fleed on the final turn loosing him the game rough loss! Minor victory me
Round 3: a 9 kill point Draigo Grey knight list. The midwest finals had walls that where long and about 5 to 6 inches tall that sanctioned off parts of the board. He hid his entire army and just show a couple of things. I only lost 6 kill points but he hid his army the whole time and rolled excellent saves, I was powerless to beat matt ward.


Rant will come soon about how grey knights have broken 40k and things we might do to possibly fix it.

Cool, thanks for the info! Very curious to hear the CSM list; Clark Welch's CSM took 1st in the East Coast last year.

CSM list was:

Abaddon
Winged Lash Sorceror (not DP)
3x4 Terminators w/Reapers, Chainfist, and 3 of either Combi-Plas/Melta
7 Chaos Marines w/Melta in Rhino
5 Lesser Daemons
5 Lesser Daemons
7 Plague Marines w/2 Melta in Rhino
7 Berserkers in Rhino
7 Berserkers in Rhino
3x3 Obliterators

It was solid. It matched up well to my BA's when I forgot to Deathmask Abaddon and he ate 70% of my army . His second round was standard Mech IG. He basically just had to tie his last game to win the tournament.

Sidenote: GK are not broken. Less crying and more playing

Tomb King wrote:
Round 3: a 9 kill point Draigo Grey knight list. The midwest finals had walls that where long and about 5 to 6 inches tall that sanctioned off parts of the board. He hid his entire army and just show a couple of things. I only lost 6 kill points but he hid his army the whole time and rolled excellent saves, I was powerless to beat matt ward.


Rant will come soon about how grey knights have broken 40k and things we might do to possibly fix it.

Ok, lets do a fair representation of what happened. That wall, was the only piece of terrain in my DOW deployment zone! And someone griped when I tried to get a judge over to fix it. And talking to the judge later, it indeed was not supposed to look like that, that nice piece of area terrain on your side was supposed to fill the HUGE gap on my side of the board.

Sorry about the poor quality, I didn't realize it was such a poor picture until later. Note the 12"x4"x1" wall. You had one too.

Then your moves on turn one was a huge mistake, you deployed a huge portion of your army in such a way that I could block LOS with my ONLY terrain piece. As to saves, Driago failed his first two! Also turn one my entire army failed to see yours! It was also 6 KPs in 3 turns when you got very agitated and wanted to just call it because, "I roll 70% 6s" and my dice "bounce funny." I simply used my small model count, few KPs, single piece of terrain, Reserves, and cover/shrouding to give me a very high chance of success.

One piece of helpful advice, when someone greets you and asks you what you play don't say, "IG, i designed my list to kill DriagoWing." It doesn't go over well. Also, please read the basic wound allocation rules again as well as cover rules for infantry models.