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Marines are always there to help out forces of the Imeprium.
As far as I know very little Chapters refused to help in time of crisis.

Of course they'll help. That's the Astartes reason for existence: the ultimate warriors who can achieve victory when anyone else would acknowledge defeat.

Never let your armor get dirty. Polish at all cost.

Never were thy helmet in combat. Tis unmanly.

Never use tactics that make sense.

Never be reasonable.

Never let the Guard get credit for anything.




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Dude no way could 1000 marines take a planet. Some exceptions do apply.

A marine is worth only about 10 guardsmen acording to some fluff. So your 1000 marines would lose to 10000+ other soldiers.

And plus the Imerial Guard does 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the IoM fighting. They're the true defenders of the Imperium. Mahreens are just posers.

Sure...posers. But if I send Imperial Guardsmen against daemons and Chaos Sorcerers, more often than not they end up becoming sacrifices or go mad. And yes, Astartes can and do conquer planets with ease. Stop badmouthing the marines, I don't badmouth Guardsmen, do I?

Some chapters do take direct command of IG units when needed.

Raptors: Chapter Astartes, 2nd founding, from Raven Guard.

Throughout the Raptors' recorded history, they have been shown to share close cooperation with other Imperial and even local militia forces, and where they have considered it strategically expedient, the assumption of direct command over them on an impromptu basis. Suspicion and wariness of the Raptors by other Astartes commanders and authorities is rife on this last break from the tenets of the Codex. These naysayers fear such assumed power might be exploited, although the Chapter's record shows no definitive evidence to support this.

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:I'm quite surprised that all the obvious have been missed out;
-Punching small children in the face.- Space Wolves did it
-Assaulting old ladies. -Space Wolves did it
-Drawing moustaches on portraits of the Emperor and/or the Primarchs.-shrugs-
-Mooning Inquisitorial escorts on parade. -Space Wolves did it
-Challenging Imperial Guard to drinking games the night before a big battle.- been there done that signed 'Vlka Fenryka'
-Buying alcohol for the under-age.--see above
-Tattooing the Space Wolves when they pass out drunk.-hey!!!--oi 'ell get ya you gitz
-Y'know, heresy and stuff..

Fixed that for ya.

I think the real question that people want to know the answer to is " God Emperor creating primarchs and awsome stuff ... Mac or PC?"

Zakiriel wrote:Some chapters do take direct command of IG units when needed.

Raptors: Chapter Astartes, 2nd founding, from Raven Guard.

Throughout the Raptors' recorded history, they have been shown to share close cooperation with other Imperial and even local militia forces, and where they have considered it strategically expedient, the assumption of direct command over them on an impromptu basis. Suspicion and wariness of the Raptors by other Astartes commanders and authorities is rife on this last break from the tenets of the Codex. These naysayers fear such assumed power might be exploited, although the Chapter's record shows no definitive evidence to support this.

Yet they have no official authority to do so. The general/ admiral in charge can always refuse to submit and in that case there is very little that the astartes can do.
If course, since the Raptors are one of the chapters which haven't yet given up their higher brain functions in favour of RAAAAAAAAAAGH CHARGE INTO CLOSE COMBAT RAAAAAAAAARGH!
they might have an easier time to assume command over others than, lets say the Black Templars.

No mundane human is going to refuse an order from a Space Marine. Most people, even Lord Admirals and Warmasters, will never see a Space Marine up close.

When they do, it's like being visited from On High by one of God's own Angels of Death. You don't feth around with such omnipotence, and you certainly don't say no when it tells you to go fetch his fething coffee.

Fairly sure Warmasters have rank over SM Chapter Masters...
At least, when they agree to join the Crusade they agree to follow orders from the Warmaster.
Lord Admirals, probably not but i doubt they would let themselves show any sign of intimidation.

Peak at the Sisters of Battle while they are showering after purging a Xeno planet

purplefood wrote:Fairly sure Warmasters have rank over SM Chapter Masters...
At least, when they agree to join the Crusade they agree to follow orders from the Warmaster.
Lord Admirals, probably not but i doubt they would let themselves show any sign of intimidation.

Yes, which implies there's a pre-deployment arrangement made between Chapter and Warmaster, either between the CM and the WM, or at least the Captain and the WM.

Random WM and his field staff encounter a DW Kill-team on a mission of their own in the same general area of space? No such agreement exists. They would be wise to stay out of the Deathwatch's way... and fetch their fething coffee.

Chapter Masters commonly use the honorific 'Lord Commander' which seems in the setting to indicate plenipotentiary authority, meaning they are presumably answerable solely to the High Lords, who could, in theory, revoke that authority.

Interestingly, the Masters of the first founding Chapters (yes, yes, the second founding inheritors of the Legions' titles, you know what I mean) might technically possess authority beyond that, being answerable solely to the Emperor (who isn't saying much nowadays) and the (now-defunct) war council, and thus beyond the High Lords or even the Inquisition. Come to think of it, that legal grey area might be quite a good in-universe explanation for how the Space Wolves get away with their obvious intransigence.

Zambro wrote:Peak at the Sisters of Battle while they are showering after purging a Xeno planet

Oddly enough, someone smudged that out of the copy of the rules that the Space Wolves received.

Psienesis wrote:

purplefood wrote:Fairly sure Warmasters have rank over SM Chapter Masters...
At least, when they agree to join the Crusade they agree to follow orders from the Warmaster.
Lord Admirals, probably not but i doubt they would let themselves show any sign of intimidation.

Yes, which implies there's a pre-deployment arrangement made between Chapter and Warmaster, either between the CM and the WM, or at least the Captain and the WM.

Random WM and his field staff encounter a DW Kill-team on a mission of their own in the same general area of space? No such agreement exists. They would be wise to stay out of the Deathwatch's way... and fetch their fething coffee.

The Warmaster has authority over everyone barring the High Lords.
He has Inquisitors at his beck and call.
Aside from being a High Lord it is probably the most powerful position in the Imperium.
It also brings incredible political power with it as the Warmaster has to gain the support of the various factions of the Imperium. The Cult Mechanicus, the Imperial Navy, the Commissariat, whatever SM chapters that are participating, the Inquisition and other IG officers.

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Squidmanlolz wrote:They can't call in direct air-support from the Imperial Navy.

Why would they need to, when Astartes-exclusive ships can bombard ground targets with greater effect and proficiency than the Imperial Navy's ships?

Because they can't.

They can't since Lord Guilliman said no, we don't need to since we have our own fleets. Doesn't really matter if we can't call in support from the regular navy.

Brother Coa wrote:Marines are always there to help out forces of the Imeprium.

Sigged for making me laugh uncontrollably.

Well, there are only so many Space Marines, and they tend to prioritize some enemies over others. Faced with traitor marines and orks, I'd bet my life that they'd pick a fight with the traitors than the orks. Just look at the 13th Black Crusade; the Dark Angels and other Unforgiven deviated from Creed's strategy to go after rumors of the Fallen.

- Give IG piggy back rides
- Eat all of the IG rations when the men aren't looking (they don't need the food anyway, would be rude)


I'll think of more.

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Brother Coa wrote:Marines are always there to help out forces of the Imeprium.

Sigged for making me laugh uncontrollably.

Give me one example when Guard, Sisters, PDF asked for assistance agaisnt alien or Chaos invasion and they refused to help them?

I have read once a Lamenters story, that was after the Badab war when they were fighting Tyranids. On how the battle was lost against the Tyranids and a planet was ready to being consumed, but the Guard still hold down capital and evacuate the civilians. Lamenters aided them, send some droppods and hold out until the last civilian transport flee and then die all together. They helped them even if they were on verge of extinction. If chapter founded in 21'st founding can do that without hesitation and any other thought then I just can't imagine older and much more knowable Chapters ( Ultramarines, Black Tempalrs, Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Blood Angels... ) refuse to help the armed forces of the Imperium defend it against it's enemies.

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Thamor wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:They can't call in direct air-support from the Imperial Navy.

Source?

I'm pretty just if a Chapter Master wants some bombing he'll get some bombing.

"Execute "Hammerdown Protocol"."
"Understood. Commencing ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT. Purgation spread. Purge the alien."

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I'm pretty sure that chpater masters have authority to call air support from imperial navy

Uh no, when I was referring to 'Hammerdown', I meant the Bombardment Cannons in the BR fleet in orbit, not an IN fleet.

Why has no one mentioned The Space Wolves? They break pretty much every rule in the book.
Locked imperial genetax delegates in a grox pen.
Opened fire on Eccelesiarchy vessels/ waged war on the Adepta Soroitas.
Prevented the Ordo Malleus from executing an Inquisitor Lord Querrian.
Broken the 1000 Astartes per chapter limit.

It's not so much a list of what Space marine chapters can't do, it's what they can get away with.

Very influential Chapters like the Second Founding ones can get away with a lot. As long as the general order of the Imperium is maintained, no one really cares what the Astartes do. None of the Chapters really care about the rants of the Ecclesiarchy, just read the Codex entry for the Chaplain. When you consider that would be heresy for any non-Astartes and non-Mechanicum, the Astartes get away with a lot already.

GodEmperorTitus wrote:Why has no one mentioned The Space Wolves? They break pretty much every rule in the book.
Locked imperial genetax delegates in a grox pen.
Opened fire on Eccelesiarchy vessels/ waged war on the Adepta Soroitas.
Prevented the Ordo Malleus from executing an Inquisitor Lord Querrian.
Broken the 1000 Astartes per chapter limit.

It's not so much a list of what Space marine chapters can't do, it's what they can get away with.

I did.

English Assassin wrote:Interestingly, the Masters of the first founding Chapters (yes, yes, the second founding inheritors of the Legions' titles, you know what I mean) might technically possess authority beyond that, being answerable solely to the Emperor (who isn't saying much nowadays) and the (now-defunct) war council, and thus beyond the High Lords or even the Inquisition. Come to think of it, that legal grey area might be quite a good in-universe explanation for how the Space Wolves get away with their obvious intransigence.