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Well, rodgers37 has convinced me. Profits are bad.

To the barricades, comrades! We fight for the proletariat! Down with bourgeoisie! The revolution has begun! The streets shall run red with their blood tonight!

rodgers37 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Wow the ignorance is even higher than anticipated. So you're really saying you're bellyaching even though you're living off the taxpayer and your gramps. You have the nerve to blow them of dalliances like cell phones and IMACs?

In the words of the Immortal Bard: Have you no decency sir?

Sendin money to the government is not the people's job? You've never paid taxes? You said you worked before. You're a liar and you never worked, ignorant (in not looking at your pay slips), or you worked in criminal activities in a cash only environment in which case I salute you.

Sending money in the way you suggested, instead of paying for my phone.

I had a part time job, working for my step-dad earning under the amount you have to earn to pay tax on your earnings. I don't have pay slips because I was paid in cash, but he has all the financial ins and outs done correctly and legally. I would love a job, like most people without a job i've applied for plenty, I wanted to go to University because I thought it would be beneficial, I couldn't do that and not have the financial support. I had not that large amount (£2-3000) from my Grandad half of which is still in savings until I learn to drive.

Your really over exaggerating everything I say, i'm not having some huge moan about capitalism, or rich people. Just that I think $11 billion profit for one company which could easily afford to lower the price (even by 1/4, it'd still be more expensive than everything else). I'm not ignorant, and I don't appreciate being insulted by people who don't have the first clue about me, my life or my family on the internet. I have not personally insulted you, and i'd really appreciate if you wouldn't me. I quite like this forum and I don't want it ruined because you have the idea stuck in your head that i'm ignorant. ANd you'll probably have a moan about that as well, saying i'm overacting, well maybe I am, but i've got my own reasons to, and your not going to change my basic personality.

Well you're ignorant, trolling, or something. YOU BOUGHT THEIR STUFF.

"Crack costs way too much. There's no reason it should cost so much." Lights up a crack pipe.
ok...


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Grakmar wrote:Well, rodgers37 has convinced me. Profits are bad.

To the barricades, comrades! We fight for the proletariat! Down with bourgeoisie! The revolution has begun! The streets shall run red with their blood tonight!

I'll bring the popcorn. From each and his ability to each and his need!

Crack fiends absolutely hate crack, they despise it.. and yet, they love it at the same time. Love it more than anything else in the world.

I think we have a textbook case.

Frazzled wrote:"Crack costs way too much. There's no reason it should cost so much." Lights up a crack pipe.

...looks at collection of Games Workshop products.

Sorry, what were you saying?

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:"Crack costs way too much. There's no reason it should cost so much." Lights up a crack pipe.

...looks at collection of Games Workshop products.

Sorry, what were you saying?

Oh yea, I started to say no one does that, then I remembered the Discussion directory.

I'm not trolling. I have never and will never, its pathetic.

Fine the system works, i'm wrong. Doesn't mean you all have to be so sarcastic and insulting about it.

And I don't know if I will go on to earn more than you, maybe i'm useless and know nothing. In fact I probably am.
I bought one apple product, from one savings account my Grandad set up. He doesn't have infinite money, he worked as a manager for a removal company and just saved his money and bought shares wisely.

I never said I'm not spoilt, i'm very gracious and know i'm privileged to have what I have. I have tried for jobs, I had a paper round (I know not a proper job) as soon as I was 13, I worked for my step-dad because he needed someone cheap and reliable to work him because the store he ran was open from 9/10AM-9/10PM three days a week, but since he had to give up on that, he has had jobs with not very good shifts (A security job which involved working 7 12 hour shifts, with 3/4 days off, 4 nights on, 3 days on, and then vice versa).

Seriously, if you offered me any job now, the chance to go back and just get that job rather than start Uni, i'd take it. It hasn't been the best experience of my life, to be honest I preferred working. I was only officially working something like 10 hours, I was also at Sixth Form. But I was there from 3/4 after Sixth form on Thursday and Friday until 9/10 and all day Saturday and Sunday. And occasionally helped out Wednesday evening as well.

I'm not saying i'm hard done by, or deserve better. I'm not saying i'm a wonderful person who makes all the right choices. But really, your making me feel useless and pathetic, and if you knew me personally you'd know how that makes me feel. I would normally just to try ignore anything like that on the internet, because you don't know me, but I have problems at the moment (which aren't important to anyone else I know, and aren't even tiny problems compared a hell of a lot more people) and I just don't think its right i'm being singled out like that because I think Apple make a little bit too much money (and that all it is, a little bit, but a little bit of $11 billion is still a fair chunk, I didn't say Apple should charge cost price for their products) And i'm not saying any of that to benefit me personally. I don't care if an iMac is £1000 or £200, i'm probably not going to get another one for a very long time, I bought this one as a long term computer, and won't be replacing it (or sharing its user time) with anything else until it no longer works. And since I don't tend to break electronic products, it should be a while.


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I never said profits are bad. I never said Apple are bad. It was purely a comment saying $11 billion seems like quite a lot of profit for 3 months. I bought one apple product because I had enough money to do so at the time.

Welcome to OT, rodgers.
People will read what you say, decide you actually meant something completely different, then belittle and insult you based on their own imaginary argument.
Don't know what else you expected on an off-topic forum on a site devoted to a board game that revolves around rolling dice. Peoples' reading/social skills aren't all that.

Well in your defense, so far you've been mostly a taker. When you make money and the government delares you a giver and starts taking your stuff, and other people say you don't dsever your stuff, your views will change. Its the nature of things.

Think of this as a teaching moment. Get the to a library and look up the following persons' writings:

John Locke
Adam Smith
Milton Friedman
Bernard Keynes
Karl Marx
Mao Tse Tung
even that mouth breather Robert Reich.

That should give you a series of differing views on economics.

biccat wrote:

Frazzled wrote:"Crack costs way too much. There's no reason it should cost so much." Lights up a crack pipe.

...looks at collection of Games Workshop products.

Sorry, what were you saying?

Mate, its funny because I was talking to Albatross about this, and we mentioned crack. You know.. the whole love/hate thing.

I have covertly been trying to build up a portfolio of people that needlessly rage and gate on GW to the point where I think they have mental issues, and I think out of the top 5 biggest nutters on the board Ive coaxed the numbers out of over a period of months, not a one of them owns less than about 10,000 points worth of models.

The crack analogy seems to be perfectly apt. The more you love something, the more you despise it, and thus, perhaps you despise yourself?

As an owner of maybe 3000 points and not much else.. I'm somewhat alarmed by their behaviour.

And then up pops "Ive got an Imac... oh and an Iphone... but I truly hates them!"

My hypothesis bears fruit!

I think it deserves a poll, a sort of, number of GW points owned to hatred ratio, but I dont trust the statistics if my subjects are aware I am monitoring them...

Ok, i've got the solution.

I'll sell everything I own, and get a loan from an evil bank to back all the money i've had from the taxpayers. Give the rest to charity, then work at least 3 jobs, preferably really hard and/or disgusting ones no one really wants or deserves to do to pay back that loan. And then i'll go join an African tribe, if they'll let me in, they probably won't because i'm ignorant, stupid and a troll.

Would that somewhat help the problem at hand here? (the problem being me of course...)

rodgers37 wrote:I never said profits are bad. I never said Apple are bad. It was purely a comment saying $11 billion seems like quite a lot of profit for 3 months.

You were saying that if a company turns a very large profit (like Apple has recently), they should start giving away money.

We agreed, and took up arms to fight the Tsar's regime.

rodgers37 wrote:Ok, i've got the solution.

I'll sell everything I own, and get a loan from an evil bank to back all the money i've had from the taxpayers. Give the rest to charity, then work at least 3 jobs, preferably really hard and/or disgusting ones no one really wants or deserves to do to pay back that loan. And then i'll go join an African tribe, if they'll let me in, they probably won't because i'm ignorant, stupid and a troll.

Would that somewhat help the problem at hand here? (the problem being me of course...)

Sorry I'd rather hire a hard working immigrant. they work cheaper.

mattyrm wrote:

And then up pops "Ive got an Imac... oh and an Iphone... but I truly hates them!"

I never said that, or anything like it. I also don't have an iPhone, and will never buy one.

Stop making things up.

The only thing I have an issue with, not even an issue, just a query into the rightness/sensibleness is the company making $11 billion profit. I didn't say I hate Apple, I didn't say profits are bad, I didn't say any of the things people are accusing me of saying.

rodgers37 wrote:Ok, i've got the solution.

I'll sell everything I own, and get a loan from an evil bank to back all the money i've had from the taxpayers. Give the rest to charity, then work at least 3 jobs, preferably really hard and/or disgusting ones no one really wants or deserves to do to pay back that loan. And then i'll go join an African tribe, if they'll let me in, they probably won't because i'm ignorant, stupid and a troll.

Would that somewhat help the problem at hand here? (the problem being me of course...)

You dont think your premise was daft though? You own several apple things, but dont think they should be allowed to charge you alot for them?

Do you own a bonkers amount of GW models and hate them too?

You will have good company on dakka then.

Grakmar wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:I never said profits are bad. I never said Apple are bad. It was purely a comment saying $11 billion seems like quite a lot of profit for 3 months.

You were saying that if a company turns a very large profit (like Apple has recently), they should start giving away money.

We agreed, and took up arms to fight the Tsar's regime.

I don't think I said that either. But hey, what ever. Clearly the actual words written down on the internet don't mean anything, just look at who started the topic, get the general jist of what the might be suggesting and start making things up.

I was questioning the amount of profit, not saying they should give it away, for a company who is well known (and hated by some) for having very expensive products. Yes I have bought one of their products myself, but then I didn't know how much money they made, I was under the impression barley anyone buys iMacs, and this was a couple of years ago, so iPhones weren't as big/popular then, now a huge percentage of people have smartphones, and quite a chunk of them have iPhones. And I think it might have been before, or only just after the iPad, although I don't remember when that came out. To be honest I don't think i'll buy anything else from them for quite a long time. (and why are people, matty, saying I have multiple apple products? When have I said that? I'm not an apple 'fanboy' or a 'hater' its possible to have an opinion without being either...)


And also, Matty, I don't have a ridiculous amount of 40k, and I don't moan about GW prices (much, might have had the odd grumble at a certain price of something or other) I like GW because the provide the game system I enjoy. I like Apple because i like the iMac I have. GW don't make a ridiculous amount of profit. And i'm also not saying Apple should drastically reduce their prices.


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And also, when I want more 40k. I tend to have to sell stuff I did have. I've had plenty of armies, and models before. But I currently have about 2-3000 points of CSM (some of which is from ebay) and 1750 points of DE (quite a lot of that was used, and fairly cheap). And I don't moan about GW, I don't moan about Apple either. My question/query/opinion has been escalated and things added to it that I never said...


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I'm just going to leave this now.
I've clearly upset people with my 'Apple hate' despite owning many of their products (man being one). And as a spoilt child of rich parents (despite my parents not being rich at all) I don't understand how society works, and will never work (despite having already worked, and applying for many more jobs, including ones that you might say aren't all that desirable, for example I had an interview at MacDonalds, but didn't get the job because they wanted permanent, not someone who was going off to Uni. I would have got the job, if I hadn't of being going to Uni (or lied and not told them I was) as a friend worked/works there and apparently the manager pretty much told him that).

I know what you think of me doesn't matter, to you or to me, you don't know me personally and probably never will, and you'll have forgotten all about me as soon as your attention is drawn elsewhere, which is probably best for all parties involved. I'll just keep to the 40k sections of the forum, as i'm sure you don't want people like me messing up this wonderful OT forum.

So back on the topic of Apple.

The time isn't now, but at some point down the road (maybe far down the road) it'd be interesting to go short on Apple stock. Obviously this would take money to blow and some real guts. But it's not like the company hasn't had big dips in the past before the iMac, iPod and then iPad. That's an amazing run, but just like with stocks, past product performance is no guarantee of future results. There's no guarantee that they'll own the next big thing. And when coolness is a major part of your product appeal (no pun intended), you'd seem to be exposed to a certain amount of "fickleness risk."

Of course, the danger there taking a short position and then watching the stock just keep rising after the introduction of the iWidget, which does...everything, and looks really, really sleek. Hooray to losing money with no end in sight!

mattyrm wrote: Mate, its funny because I was talking to Albatross about this, and we mentioned crack. You know.. the whole love/hate thing.

Well, I wasn't being entirely serious. There's nothing wrong with complaining about prices. You can complain about prices but still think that there's a value in purchasing the product.

I think GW prices are high, but I still value (some of) the models enough to buy them. I would like the prices to be lower because then I'd be able to buy more stuff. Which is pretty much the point of the supply/demand curve.

gorgon wrote:but at some point down the road (maybe far down the road) it'd be interesting to go short on Apple stock

A lot of people went short on Apple before today. They figured with Jobs' death and a lack of big products this year, Apple profits would fail to meet expectations.

Those guys lost a lot of money.

So Rodgers purchased a Mac once when he knew they were expensive and thought only very few people had them.

Now he is angry because everybody has an apple product and the company makes huge profits.

I am getting a mental picture of an angry hipster that suddenly realizes he is really mainstream.

At least there is always Instagram, those people will never make any money...

I'm not angry, and i'm not a hipster. I didn't get one because I thought they weren't popular, I got one because I had some money, my old computer was past its sell by date and because I used one at Uni and it was very nice, and they said they are pretty good for film editing. I don't care wether lots of people have something I have, or wether no one does. Why is everything I say be taken out of context and being re-interpreted? I have no problem with people/companies making money, why is that statement so hard to understand?

biccat wrote:

gorgon wrote:but at some point down the road (maybe far down the road) it'd be interesting to go short on Apple stock

A lot of people went short on Apple before today. They figured with Jobs' death and a lack of big products this year, Apple profits would fail to meet expectations.

Those guys lost a lot of money.

Yeah, I could see that. At this point Apple seems to have momentum (and cash reserves) that they could ride for years.

I know I said I was going to leave it, but want to say this as well:
I quite often make statements (only on the internet) that are more exaggerated than what I really think, I probably said the wrong things in my OP, after re-reading it, I probably did come across a bit differently to how I thought I had/intended to.

But doesn't change the fact that pretty much every accusation/judgement made about me in this thread is wrong, you can believe what you want, you might just be laughing at me (or more likely ignoring me) and think i'm lying, ignorant, making things up as I go along. Well I promise you i'm not, what do I gain from lying about facts and my opinion on the internet? I apologise sincerely if I have been talking rubbish, or doing anything that makes me seem in anyway ignorant, stupid, a Apple hater, an Apple fan boy turned hater, a GW hater, a hipster, angry. I am none of those things.

rodgers37 wrote:I'm not angry, and i'm not a hipster. I didn't get one because I thought they weren't popular, I got one because I had some money, my old computer was past its sell by date and because I used one at Uni and it was very nice, and they said they are pretty good for film editing. I don't care wether lots of people have something I have, or wether no one does. Why is everything I say be taken out of context and being re-interpreted? I have no problem with people/companies making money, why is that statement so hard to understand?

Then you answered your own question about Apple's prices and their supranomral prices.


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rodgers37 wrote:I know I said I was going to leave it, but want to say this as well:
I quite often make statements (only on the internet) that are more exaggerated than what I really think, I probably said the wrong things in my OP, after re-reading it, I probably did come across a bit differently to how I thought I had/intended to.

But doesn't change the fact that pretty much every accusation/judgement made about me in this thread is wrong, you can believe what you want, you might just be laughing at me (or more likely ignoring me) and think i'm lying, ignorant, making things up as I go along. Well I promise you i'm not, what do I gain from lying about facts and my opinion on the internet? I apologise sincerely if I have been talking rubbish, or doing anything that makes me seem in anyway ignorant, stupid, a Apple hater, an Apple fan boy turned hater, a GW hater, a hipster, angry. I am none of those things.

Actually all of mine have been spot on.

Don't feel bad. I have a teenager almost exactly your age. Now of course he walks aorund without a shirt as much as possible, because he's suddenly 'cut like Jesus' and is trying to show off to the local fair maidens.

I know things over the internet can get a bit muddled up and easy overreacted to, and I don't want to give the impression i'm a troll or anything like that, so appreciate your opinions and to be honest, its probably more me overreacting to nothing, rather than you or anyone else doing anything wrong in the first place. So until the next time I say something stupid

Frazzled wrote:because he's suddenly 'cut like Jesus' and is trying to show off to the local fair maidens.

Got the Crown of Thorns ready for Tbone to present to him?

MrDwhitey wrote:

Frazzled wrote:because he's suddenly 'cut like Jesus' and is trying to show off to the local fair maidens.

Got the Crown of Thorns ready for Tbone to present to him?

More like "abs of the son of god." He hates hats...

Rodgers, it's not that they are calling you ignorant. Frazzled and the others (in their own somewhat crass way) are pointing out the hypocrisy of you or anyone else deciding how much money someone else has is too much?

How would you feel if a genuinely destitute person walked up to you and demanded that your Grandfather's pension went to them or some other person or some other cause? Your grandfather worked hard for his pension! He took the risks of being injured on the job, he sacrificed time away from his loved ones to make sure that you and your siblings could have some money to get the decent things in life. Don't you think it would be unfair for someone else to disapprove of how much money your granddad made? Obviously, if he had enough money to give you some for a computer, he didn't really NEED that money. He should have given more to charity or to taxes or he shouldn't have charged enough for his product.

A lot of people - especially people who have worked hard for their money - really resent the notion that ANYONE should tell them how much they are allowed to make. The people who are now billionaires by investing in Apple could very well have been broke if Apple had made bad products, not evolved with the times, and was still cranking out Apple II computers in 2012. They took a risk by investing and it paid off big!

The people who earned the 11 billion in profit in the last few months are not making anyone poorer. There is nothing and no one who is forcing people to buy iPhones (that I know of, those Apple store employees look like Heaven's Gate cultists to me) There's this idea permeating the world that anytime someone makes money, it is only by directly taking it from someone else. It's not a case of someone getting a bigger piece of the pie - it's a case of someone making more pie....


mmmmm - pie.

Posted from my Macbook Pro after being initially read from my iPhone.

I do understand the hypocrisy of the things i've said (and again, sincerely apologise for doing so, it was silly of me).

Really it comes down to me being a little shocked at that figure, its huge. I suppose they do work as much/hard as anyone else to make and design high quality products and can sell them at any price, and do not force people to buy them. It does all make sense.

Also another minor point, my Grandad does give quite a lot of money to charity And I normally give my change to collections, its not much, and I don't do it for appreciation (so shouldn't really need to mention it, its not important).

Basically I overreacted to some stuff, that wasn't really all that bad. I don't decide how much money is too much money, if Apple have made that much, then I suppose they deserve to, they haven't done anything illegal or immoral.

Cut like Jesus?

I dont get it...

I think it has something to do with Jesus walking everywhere and being a carpenter and eating organic. Plus, it implies you are perfect.

In other words, vanity.

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rodgers37 wrote:I do understand the hypocrisy of the things i've said (and again, sincerely apologise for doing so, it was silly of me).

Really it comes down to me being a little shocked at that figure, its huge. I suppose they do work as much/hard as anyone else to make and design high quality products and can sell them at any price, and do not force people to buy them. It does all make sense.

Also another minor point, my Grandad does give quite a lot of money to charity And I normally give my change to collections, its not much, and I don't do it for appreciation (so shouldn't really need to mention it, its not important).

Basically I overreacted to some stuff, that wasn't really all that bad. I don't decide how much money is too much money, if Apple have made that much, then I suppose they deserve to, they haven't done anything illegal or immoral.

Now you're getting there. You can argue the merits of their business practices, emplyee practices, products, etc. etc. all day long however.

mattyrm wrote: Cut like Jesus?

I dont get it...

It was a joke from a comedian a couple of years ago, basically noting most artwork of Jesus has a really ripped torso Jesus.