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I can see why people would be discomfited by it.

For most of us, this hobby is defined in part by the gorgeous models we've seen in WD and online, of which the peak, the unattainable tip of the artistic mountain, is often embodied by the Slayer Sword winners. The folks who win the grand prize, as overall champion at each Golden Daemon competition. I still clearly remember the first Slayer Sword winner I saw in WD, in the Open category. An amazing Great Unclean One on a scratchbuilt daemonic chariot, with an elaborate stone display base, which absolutely blew my mind.

The idea that a person can put those hundreds of hours of work into a unique piece of art, then win out the judges' choice over several other amazing candidates to be the champion is something beyond most of our capacity to really picture attempting, much less succeeding at. But their work is always inspirational to us. Selling the sword which signifies their achievement is a bit of a let down.

That being said, if the person's situation is such that they need to raise the cash and let it go, it's sad, but of course it's their right.

I own a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, a Purple Heart and many other military medals for valour and service (from a number of nations). All real, all issued to actual servicepeople. Many of them modern and from current conflicts. (As opposed to, say, WW2 medals where the recipient would have almost always passed on.)

I also own a number of fossils that are literally hundreds of millions of years old.

I was able to purchase all of these items. In many cases, for not nearly as much as you might think - and from 100% reputable dealers.

Think about that, and put them into perspective alongside being able to sell a Sword awarded as a prize for high quality painting..

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Dude, he's not selling his virginity or a bodily organ. Its a sword given as a trophy.

Jeez...

Lol, if only gamers could sell that...

Oversupply and under-demand on that one

 Dais wrote:
I kind of hope that poor guy that won at gamesday Japan buys it.

That would be rad, but then he still wouldn't be able to import it into the country. And we would be sad again.

 Robert Facepalmer wrote:

 Dais wrote:
I kind of hope that poor guy that won at gamesday Japan buys it.

That would be rad, but then he still wouldn't be able to import it into the country. And we would be sad again.

He doesn't need to buy one anyway. The actual Slayer Sword he won is in GW HQ waiting for him if he ever leaves Japan. It's not like they only gave him a printout of the sword - he just can't have the real one that is his property while living in Japan.

 scipio.au wrote:
I own a Silver Star, a Bronze Star, a Purple Heart and many other military medals for valour and service (from a number of nations). All real, all issued to actual servicepeople. Many of them modern and from current conflicts. (As opposed to, say, WW2 medals where the recipient would have almost always passed on.)

I also own a number of fossils that are literally hundreds of millions of years old.

I was able to purchase all of these items. In many cases, for not nearly as much as you might think - and from 100% reputable dealers.

Think about that, and put them into perspective alongside being able to sell a Sword awarded as a prize for high quality painting..

While I understand where you are going with that - I can swing by clothing sales and pick up duplicate medals without any problem, there are a couple which I had to show my DD214 when I got duplicates the last time I did Color Guard service. They are an interesting colector's item, but it isn't something that you only ever get one of.

Fossils are similar, though a little harder to come by. I know up at our ranch in Montana we come across lots of them anytime that we dig into the ground to put in a new fence line or something similar. Initially it was pretty neat to find - but after a bit, it is just another rock in the hole you are trying to dig.

That said, you could probably find a dozen or so different custom knife makers who would be willing to make a copy of any of the slayer swords which GW have used and inscribe it with whatever you want for a bit less than what the guy on eBay got for his.

"So a guy who I believe to be the winner of a slayer sword in europe is selling it on eBay for €6000, should he be allowed to or shoul it be removed from sale due to its very nature and elite standing?" Opinions???


It is not as important as it once was, thanks to GW.

All it is now is just another award- I have a closet full of them, that sword would be just another one.


Think he's kinda steep asking for 6000, though.

It's a trophy for painting little toy men - no big deal. Now if the buyer pretends they actually won it that is sad but again it is for toy men. Now the guy who has the military medals (I'm not saying he does) but if he were to act like he earned those medals that would morally reprehensible.

Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

While I understand where you are going with that - I can swing by clothing sales and pick up duplicate medals without any problem, there are a couple which I had to show my DD214 when I got duplicates the last time I did Color Guard service. They are an interesting colector's item, but it isn't something that you only ever get one of.

Sure, but look at it this way - a Purple Heart is a medal that someone got by being wounded. The Silver Star is, well -

The Silver Star, referred to as the Silver Star Medal by the Navy and Marine Corps, is the third highest military decoration for valor that can be awarded to any person serving in any capacity with the United States Armed Forces. The medal is awarded for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States.

I'm pretty sure they don't get handed out in Corn Flakes packets, and the fact that you can actually buy the real things (not repros), recently issued and awarded, and what they're awarded for is a pretty big deal. While a Slayer Sword is an amazing achievement, to a buyer, it's ultimately just a cool sword if you didn't happen to win it yourself. It may as well be a Frostmourne which is also a very cool looking sword - but it's ultimately just a cool-looking sword (if you didn't win it). A Silver Star (or Iron Cross, or Dinosaur Tooth, etc) is something that retains it's meaning and, I guess, depth way beyond a cool looking painting trophy that happens to be in the shape of a sword. Like, when I buy some of this stuff (medals, historical militaria, Greek and Roman artefacts, fossils) I still in somewhat of a "How the **** am I able to buy this stuff?" reaction. And I've been collecting that stuff for years.

You know, compared to a painting trophy in the form of a sword.




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We wrote:
It's a trophy for painting little toy men - no big deal. Now if the buyer pretends they actually won it that is sad but again it is for toy men. Now the guy who has the military medals (I'm not saying he does) but if he were to act like he earned those medals that would morally reprehensible.

Oh, the sad thing is that there are people out there who do that. I don't think I'd get far pretending I earned my US-issued medals, what with being an Australian and all.

As for my Grandfather's WWII Australian Army medals and uniforms - well, I might own them now, but they're his medals. Not mine to wear - I didn't earn them.

CainTheHunter wrote:
Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

This is the best comment/question in this thread, and I think you should know that.

 scipio.au wrote:
As for my Grandfather's WWII Australian Army medals and uniforms - well, I might own them now, but they're his medals. Not mine to wear - I didn't earn them.

But if You are into historical WW2 re-enactment (for example, reenacting New Zealanders during Operation Mercury) then You probably can.

 Ouze wrote:

CainTheHunter wrote:
Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

This is the best comment/question in this thread, and I think you should know that.

Thank You! You made me to feel proud and happy panda!

No issue really.

I don't think it's even questionable.

In the end, Golden Daemon is just a commercial event. It's a promo GW uses to get people to advertise their product for free. If someone turns around and tries to recoup some of their costs for entering, why not?

A lot of painters also enter to get trophies so they can charge higher fees for commission painting, etc. . This may be less subtle and more direct, but the essence is the same. Get some profit out of Golden Daemon.

It's all business through and through. It's not like someone's flipping Mother Teresa's rosary or some such.

CainTheHunter wrote:

But if You are into historical WW2 re-enactment (for example, reenacting New Zealanders during Operation Mercury) then You probably can.

That's really a different thing - and I'd imagine that a lot of reenactors would use "as close as possible to" reproductions of a lot of the gear, lest the items be lost of damaged while running around a paddock.

 scipio.au wrote:

CainTheHunter wrote:

But if You are into historical WW2 re-enactment (for example, reenacting New Zealanders during Operation Mercury) then You probably can.

That's really a different thing - and I'd imagine that a lot of reenactors would use "as close as possible to" reproductions of a lot of the gear, lest the items be lost of damaged while running around a paddock.

Around here the original RKKA Guard's insignia seems to be quite popular.

I digress, I dont see why he can't sell his sword on Ebay, but unless you are collecting it for a sword collection I would say people don't have much interest, buying a trophy with the intent to claim it was awarded to you is a little bit pathetic, kind of like keeping newspaper clippings of noble deeds done by people with the same surname as you...

Just to clarify I don't myself see a problem in it just wondered what the rest of the world thought. I think it is a shame in a way that it is being sold but like so many of you have put his s**t let him do what he likes with it

I don't have any issues with it but 6000 seems kinda steep if he's actually trying to sell it.

CainTheHunter wrote:
Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

From what ive seen of it it varies in form between a long and a bastard sword-its essentially a hand and a half sword. It may not be sharp when you get it but you give even a blunt hand and a half sword a swing and if you know what you are doing some poor feths just been cut in to.....

 wowsmash wrote:
I don't have any issues with it but 6000 seems kinda steep if he's actually trying to sell it.

We could run a kickstarter here and do the yearly timeshare according to each own contribution, so everybody can feel himself as Slayer and know how it is to wield the Slayer Sword and slay imaginary people or cut away europenises with it! Blood for the Blood God and europenises for the Throne of .err...

I do not see anything wrong in selling the Slayer sword. For 6000, good for that guy if someone purchases it from him. In the end, its simply a trophy. For most of the population on the planet, including those even in the hobby... its completely meaningless.

Who knows... maybe he's moving in with a new "trophy" wife who said "hey you get me in the bed, or the trophy over the bed."

In that situation "trophy wife" > "trophy sword"
Happy almost Friday

For 6000 he could change his "trophy wifes" every day several weeks in a row.

Lol, this is an extremely funny notion.

There is no value to the sword what-so-ever. The poor guy in Japan got a PAPER sword for all his efforts.

Let the poor buyer of the thing tell his friends he won it. If your life is that pathetic that you need a SLAYER SWORD to prove your worth... god help ya.

It would be wrong for the buyer to use it to falsely claim he is a GD winner. But the guy selling it can do what he likes with it. It's just a sword given as a prize. It's like selling the winnings of any competition.

Anyway, the sword is huge. What do those against him selling it suggest he does if he simply hasn't got house space for it?

I'm with scipio.au on this one.

It's neither legally nor morally reprehensible to buy or sell awards.

As long as the buyer isn't going to use it to misrepresent themselves there's nothing wrong with selling an earned posession or the desire to own a monument to someone else's achievement, or (in the case of military memorabilia) sacrifice and bravery.

In fact, I'll go one step further and say that not only is it the recipient's right to sell, the person buying it is showing that they respect the achievement of the recipient and the meaning of the award by their desire to acquire it and willingness to pay a premium.

There's almost no easier way to tell what someone values than by looking at what they spend their time doing and money buying.

CainTheHunter wrote:Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

Yes, but you'd damage it. From what I understand, it's a show sword and likely made of stainless steel and couldn't handle practical use. If you're looking for a sword for practical use, I'd recommend Ronin Katanas, any of the practical swords by Hanwei or the new T10 tool steel Katana through SBG. If you want a nice big two handed sword like the slayer sword, but real, Darksword Armory in Canada makes great hand crafted ones.

Remember that all slaying of real persons should be done in ways that comply with the laws of your jurisdiction.

Nothing wrong with selling it, Id be fething amazed if anyone pays anything decent for it though.. there isn't much of a market surely?

I mean, really.. what are you going to do with it?

 frozenwastes wrote:

CainTheHunter wrote:Can You actually slay real persons with this sword?

Yes, but you'd damage it. From what I understand, it's a show sword and likely made of stainless steel and couldn't handle practical use. If you're looking for a sword for practical use, I'd recommend Ronin Katanas, any of the practical swords by Hanwei or the new T10 tool steel Katana through SBG. If you want a nice big two handed sword like the slayer sword, but real, Darksword Armory in Canada makes great hand crafted ones.

Remember that all slaying of real persons should be done in ways that comply with the laws of your jurisdiction.

I know - I am actually a proud owner of Hanwei Scottish Baskethilt and Windlass Falchion , not speaking about countless kukris, machetes etc.

 Dais wrote:
There are currently sixty-nine thousand eighty five results for trophy on ebay. I am sure some of those have already been awarded ans are sold as collectables, keepsakes, or memorabilia. If he is in the wrong, then the seller is among company.

I kind of hope that poor guy that won at gamesday Japan buys it.

What happened to him? (General interest)
Moving on;
Why is it morally wrong for him to sell it on eBay? I don't see the context to the word at all. Sure if the person who buys the sword goes around saying he won it fair and square, its a bit of a dick move, but morally wrong is something saved for other contexts in my own humble opinion.