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Do Search Lights remove only the cover save benefit of Night Fighting, or also the targeting restriction?
[All benefits] - Illumination removes the targeting restriction by units farther than 36" during Night Fighting
[Cover benefits only] - Illumination removes only the cover save bonuses conferred by Night Fighting

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Buffalo, NY

Gah! It's FNP + EW vs ID all over again.

If a model (or unit) is not allowed to do something that is a restriction on the model/unit. Whether the restriction is a benefit to the other player doesn't matter.

Night Fighting does 2 things
1. restricts targeting on a firing unit
2. confers a bonus to cover saves dependent on distance.

Searchlights only remove one of the two.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
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 Happyjew wrote:
Gah! It's FNP + EW vs ID all over again.

If a model (or unit) is not allowed to do something that is a restriction on the model/unit. Whether the restriction is a benefit to the other player doesn't matter.

Night Fighting does 2 things
1. restricts targeting on a firing unit
2. confers a bonus to cover saves dependent on distance.

Searchlights only remove one of the two.


this could go on forever. As I said, the RaW don't specify what is a restriction and what is a benefit. It's a matter of point of view. The RaW are indeed written as restrictions of firing, all of them. It's under the heading of "Picking a Target and Night Fighting" not "Being a Target and Night Fighting".

It all has to be a matter of opinion since benefits and restrictions are not defined terms. Nor are the rules that are listed ever refered to as beneftis of restrictions.

For true clarity purposes the rules for "Picking a Target and Night Fighting" should have included which are benefits or restrictions.

Or the rules for search light should have been written either like this "Illuminated units may be fired upon as normal" or "Illuminated units no longer gain stealth or shroud during night fight".

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Buffalo, NY

I would like to point out that despite voting only lose stealth/shrouded I do play that a lit up target can be targeted from more than 36" away.

Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia 
   
 
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