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i really hope they donot change to much,just a warlord table,some formations would be cool,i love the tesla the way it is,i bet the price of planes and annalation barges is going to go up,so we will see.

There is no way they are going to do a repack of the destroyers if they aren't going to change the rules to make us want to buy them. Otherwise we're going to have a set no one would buy still because the rules for the models suck (even something as simple as a 2+ save or extra would would make them viable)

Warmonger2757 wrote:
There is no way they are going to do a repack of the destroyers if they aren't going to change the rules to make us want to buy them. Otherwise we're going to have a set no one would buy still because the rules for the models suck (even something as simple as a 2+ save or extra would would make them viable)

To be honest this wouldn't be the first time they would have done this. Especially in light of the WD releases. We could get new destroyer Dataslates that are awesome and then a codex which makes them suck, or vice versa.

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 pretre wrote:
So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

Why? It does seem likely that the Necrons are next as they are the LAST non marine army (other then Eldar) who are a power house, and GW will want to Nerf them...

I personally call shenanigans on the codex dropping on Halloween.

 MightyGodzilla wrote:

 TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

 pretre wrote:
So with our sources being Vela and Natfka, we can just shut this thread down right?

Why? It does seem likely that the Necrons are next as they are the LAST non marine army (other then Eldar) who are a power house, and GW will want to Nerf them...

I personally call shenanigans on the codex dropping on Halloween.

ditto

I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't.

And it's only available as a part of a $160 kit...

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/510/609472.page#7256787

That's where we can discuss "wants and expectations".
This thread is purely because our Codex is rumoured to be out in 2-3 weeks, so that would mean we'd slowly be seeing more and more rumours.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

No sarcasm intended, but what are those hard-counters?

T. C'tan remains the only model I have seen outright banned at two tournaments, at two different local venues, so there seems to be at last some consensus that it is disturbingly powerful.

A group of knights can take one out easily enough (even a single knight that gets lucky).

The main issue is the hellstorm D template. That thing just isn't fun for anyone. Outside of that, and the fact it takes an average of 54 melta shots to kill it...it's perfectly fine.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the regular C'tan dropped in favor of the Transcendent one. It's plastic and the others aren't. I also hope they make the C'tan reasonable, so I could actually use it.

The T. C'tan is more than reasonable for its cost. Tournaments that are allowing it are not seing the domination many think would take place. There are far more broken elements and game mechanics in 40k as it is. The C'tan has hard counters to it.

No sarcasm intended, but what are those hard-counters?

T. C'tan remains the only model I have seen outright banned at two tournaments, at two different local venues, so there seems to be at last some consensus that it is disturbingly powerful.

Grav weapons, Las cannon Devestators/long fangs, drop pod spam, mass poision, the Tau and any army that plays to a mission versus trying to kill the C'tan. That isn't even taking into account all the other LoW that shoot long range D. weapons. Like the Revenamt Titan, or the uber Baneblade variants.


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 greggles wrote:
A group of knights can take one out easily enough (even a single knight that gets lucky).

The main issue is the hellstorm D template. That thing just isn't fun for anyone. Outside of that, and the fact it takes an average of 54 melta shots to kill it...it's perfectly fine.

Knight Titan armies have no chance against one C'tan. He can kill two a turn and the other necron elements can drop Knights quite easily too. Plus the cecrons are dropping obj. secured troops from fliers that the knights can't touch. Knights can't assault a C'an unless the C'tan wants it to happen and the C'tan can get hit and run with Zandrehk and when not in assault it's got tank hunter.

It's up in the air but I say Necrons will be in Nov then Blood Angels at the end of the year what with Vampires being associated with Christmas. So that makes sense.

I can't and wont believe this!!!! There is no reason to update the necron codex in the other hand blood Angels desperately need an update. I just can't see necron coming before blood Angels makes no sense

I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

They will make a new codex for the following reasons:

1. Money
2. to make it in the new hardcover style
3. to add warlord and lord of war rules (to sell more tesseract vaults)
4. to patch and amend several rules (which they most likely haven't full tested out)
5. to expand the war gear list selection
6. Ward removal (you all know what I mean)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Am I right in thinking that all the Necron special characters have a model? If so, I'm thinking the Necron Codex won't be a Diet Codex like the DE and GK books.

The funny thing is that just about all of those guys are kitted out the same, so in WYSIWYG terms you could use the same mini to represent any one of them.


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migooo wrote:
I'd personally love if pariahs returned but I honestly doubt they will.

I use my old Pariahs as Crypteks.

Relapse wrote:

I use my old Pariahs as Crypteks.

I think that's pretty universal.

Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I've actually heard the opposite about the T. C'tan. At Nova there are tons of tales of the C'tan in the hands of a good player utterly soloing the opponent's army. As in, the models other than the C'tan kill two guardians, while the C'tan proceeds to table the opponent alone. It got even the narrative track players begging to ban lords of war.

After seeing orks and dark eldar... there is utterly no hope of anything in the necron book remaining 'interesting'.

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

So Necrons are likely to be next? Fair enough.

I expect the telsa will lose the extra hits on 6s for snapshots, so none from over watch or at fliers.

It could go pre-order on halloween, as it's a Friday this year.

Maybe BA will be released at Xmas and they'll use the tag line 'Merry Bloody Christmas'.

D

Goresaw wrote:I've actually heard the opposite about the T. C'tan. At Nova there are tons of tales of the C'tan in the hands of a good player utterly soloing the opponent's army. As in, the models other than the C'tan kill two guardians, while the C'tan proceeds to table the opponent alone. It got even the narrative track players begging to ban lords of war.

After seeing orks and dark eldar... there is utterly no hope of anything in the necron book remaining 'interesting'.

Those tales are of the Transcendent C'Tan... not the C'Tan Shards currently in the Codex. At 6 wounds, Toughness 9, with an invul and feel no pain, it is very tough to kill unless you are specifically planning for it.

On the flavor side... 5th Necrons didn't have much to begin with. There isn't too much to lose. I'm interested in seeing what formations we get.

I cannot remember even seeing a C'tan shard on the table for the last...year. I've seen monoliths, Flayed Ones, Praeotorians...but not a single shard.

Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

 NakedSeamus wrote:

 skoffs wrote:

 NakedSeamus wrote:
I heard late october early november, and that 6 new models are dropping with the new book.

Where did you hear this from?
The only indicators we've seen thus far say end of October (and those sources are supposed to be "above average" for reliability, so hell if we know how accurate that's going to be).

I'd personally prefer to see the Blood Angels come out first, but for some reason signs point to GW dropping 'Crons later this month.
We'll probably see something more substantial in the next couple of weeks. Will keep eyes peeled, in the mean time.

I don't want to say however it's a fairly reliable source, and I'm not being cheeky... on purpose anyway. Week of Halloween checks with my info, though I don't know much more beyond what I've saif. I'm eager for some variety in my armies instead of blobs and wraiths or scarabs, haha. Either way we're over due for a new codex.

The timing we're not too worried about at the moment (there's been a few sources corroborating that information),
It's those six new models you mentioned that caught attention. This is the first time I'm hearing about this, so obviously I'm extremely interested/skeptical, as you would think info that big would be making big waves.
I'd love to add that to the top post, as it's definitely something many people would want to hear about, but I can't very well just say "NakedSeamus's friend said we're getting six new models, guys!" without something to back that up with.
Oh well, keep us updated if you get anything more we can use (eg. a link to some photos, etc.)

(though, we're hardly "overdue" for a new codex. Blood Angels definitely needed their update sooner than we needed ours).


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 Laemos wrote:
Where are rumors? I only see people wishes.

At the moment the only three rumors that have been corroborated by multiple sources are the late Oct release, the minimum codex update ("the GK treatment"), and the Destroyer repackaging.
We're expecting more in the next week or two to add to the top post. Until then, this is acting as a place holder (... and apparently the comments are now a wish list dumping ground).

 BlackRaven1987!! wrote:
I can't and wont believe this!!!! There is no reason to update the necron codex in the other hand blood Angels desperately need an update. I just can't see necron coming before blood Angels makes no sense

So the Blood Angels will have to wait one more month. They are the last two Codexes in softcover (apparantly SoB don't count) and it makes little difference which one is done this month and which one is done next month. Besides, GW isn't known for their common sense.

 Breotan wrote:
I'd think we'd sooner see Flayed Ones since those are the only non-plastic units in the range aside from characters or Crypteks.

If they did a plastic re-do I'd hope for an update of the poses, they're pretty terrible as is. Orikan is still the worst but these guys have got to be the second worst models in the line.

My guess is no new models, and a nerf to Cron Air and Wraiths, nothing gets better. Cause that is how Gee-Dubs rolls now.


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 Bonesnapper wrote:
Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I liked the looks of Destroyers just fine before the 2011 releases. They made thematic sense: sentient robots who will build themselves into skimmers, more efficient killing platforms.

Now that that the 2011 release came out and they are jump troops, they make no goddamn sense at all anymore; they should look exactly the same as Praetorians. And that's without even the idea of sentient robots riding on vehicles, which I abhor... but that's another thread.

Anyway once they introducted Praetorians they should have totally redone Destroyers I think. I do like the models but I have a problem with how "different" they look from other models that work exactly the same way.

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 Bonesnapper wrote:
Hopefully they make the destroyers less fugly. I've always found them to be too ugly to field.

Even just attaching legs like the ones on the canoptek spyder would make alot of difference.

I liked the looks of Destroyers just fine before the 2011 releases. They made thematic sense: sentient robots who will build themselves into skimmers, more efficient killing platforms.

Now that that the 2011 release came out and they are jump troops, they make no goddamn sense at all anymore; they should look exactly the same as Praetorians. And that's without even the idea of sentient robots riding on vehicles, which I abhor... but that's another thread.

Well I like the models as they are now - so I hope they change them to be not-jump troops but return them to be some kind of hovering battle platform again.

I think the robot's ON vehicles vs. Constructing yourself into a vehicle still makes perfect sense. They still have all these vehicles lying around from before the metamorphosis into robots - and their robot forms mimic their meat forms - so it only makes sense to continue operating the vehicles as a separate entity. The destroyers are cold and ruthless and kind of insane - and so they literally cut ties to their old mortal bodies and make themselves even more robotic...