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Each to their own which I'm all for. Just because it's not for me doesn't mean it's not for you.
Painting miniatures to me is like video games, much more fun to do it myself. As far as I'm concerned my painting is ok, never going to win any competitions but I never enter any do that's fine. I don't play in tournaments as I play for fun, been to one and hated the experience so I'll happily stay as I am.
As far as my group is concerned as long as they're painted that's great. No standard to meet as long as it's not bare plastic.
Ours is a largely diverse hobby with room for anybody to do as they want.





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Navarro you're right People have been teaching all forms of art for a long time. Yes even before the internet, however I've never paid attention even way back when.
All I'm saying is personally I've been wargaming for over 40 years starting with WRG Ancients and I've never known anybody to be influenced by anybody like that. Doesn't make me right but I can fairly speak for all in my group who haven't ever given internet sites like that any attention. As I say doesn't maker right but for us doesn't make me wrong.

I learnt how to paint minis by watching Peachy and Duncan, then watching other creators to see different styles and approaches to incorporate bits into how I paint.

I'm looking forward to Peachy's videos, hes great at getting a quick result that looks good on the tabletop rather than super detailed close up work. Even if that's not how I usually paint, I find it inspirational and interesting to see plus like Duncan he's such an engaging and fun character.

Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.

James12345 wrote:
or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).

I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?

 BrookM wrote:
Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.

James12345 wrote:
or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).

I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?

He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes

Okay, that's a big yikes from me then!

In better news, first video is up, before les grognards come a-knocking again (I kid ), these videos are aimed at getting started, getting gak done quickly and fighting the grey!

I suppose I'll also chime in and say I went through a bit of a phase of watching painting stuff on youtube, and it was interesting and I suppose it did lead to some small improvements for me here and there.

But it also made me not enjoy painting as much, due to always worrying about improving and doing better, trying new techniques and challenging myself. Turns out, I paint to relax, and I didn't enjoy turning it into an avenue for self improvement. So I grabbed a bunch of contrast paints/speed paints and started messing around with them, and have been enjoying getting armies painted to a reasonable standard and then playing games with them, and not sweating about technique or whether I painted the eyes or whatever else. I'm even unclenching about mold lines, honestly.

So now I don't really watch any of that stuff. I understand if you approach painting differently to me - good! Seeing the finished products of amazing painters is always brilliant. But I'm not in it for the constant drive to improve, and I think it actually makes me unhappy to try.

Also, I don't enjoy the personality side of youtube, the way it encourages parasocial relationships and so on. I never clicked on any of this channel's videos because it seemed very personality driven.

I prefer watching (good) painting tutorials to actually painting. I find them pretty therapeutic. I really don’t like painting myself all that much.

My favorite painting videos were actually the Privateer Press streams with Dallas Kemp. Usually three guys just talking as he painted. I did pick up a lot of tips and improvements.

But I never picked up discouragement from it because while he was doing better work than I ever will you also saw how long it took to actually achieve that.

Peachy spills the truth on why GW paints the base rims BROWN!

James12345 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.

James12345 wrote:
or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).

I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?

He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes

ill never forget his creepy instagram post about his wife in the gw yoga pants bending over with the caption "She just gave birth to twins, and she still looks good"
like man, what a creep

I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.

Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.

Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.

 Tamereth wrote:
I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.

Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.

Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.

Got to thank the Youtube algorithm for crap like this.

I likexto call those "minitainment" where they are more focused on making an enterinaing videos then teaching.
Ninjon, miniac, squidmar (mr beast of warhammer as i call him) are the worst offenders. Especially miniac with his sort of lifestyle videos he does.
Vince, Marco, cult of paint, Sorastro are some of the best "how to paint " videos

I unsubbed from Ninjon and Miniac awhile ago.

They were aggravating me after a bit when they kept spewing hate for GW, yet are more than happy to take all the free stuff from them.

Then once Scott got slapped on the hand, they both went in harder and more annoying.

I completely agree with your take.

 Tamereth wrote:
I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.

Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.

Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.

I've seen the same thing happen with several YouTube cooking channels. Eventually, you exhaust your personal stock of recipes/ideas/tips/etc., and have to start chasing the algorithm with whatever's popular in order to keep your channel going.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
I've found over the last year or so the painting / hobby youtube channels I followed all went off the deep end, making more and more unrealistic videos to try to one up each other for views.

Like congrats on the £10,000 display piece, but thats not helpful at all to me.

Hopefully peachy will stick with grounded material.

I've seen the same thing happen with several YouTube cooking channels. Eventually, you exhaust your personal stock of recipes/ideas/tips/etc., and have to start chasing the algorithm with whatever's popular in order to keep your channel going.

Yep and the Algorithm is brutal in that regard. It's why some latch onto whining about GW because "Games Workshop is Destroying the Hobby" gets you way more views than "How to paint Yellow with seamless transitions"


But yeah you can basically lay the blame for the change in youtube video styles not on people but on the algorithm. It's heavily weighted toward certain things over others and that influences what professional youtube channels need to consider when making content because if they are going to make an income; part of what they do has to consider the Algorithm, if not all that they do.

Babish and Joshua weissmam got real bad with cooking.

Ah yes, blaming the algorithm. It's definitely evil malicious AI, and not a tool designed to pander to human behaviour. But I digress...

On topic, has anyone been keeping up with the channel content? If so, how is it?

James12345 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.

James12345 wrote:
or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).

I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?

He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes

WHOA. Well that was a wild thing to catch up on.

 Scottywan82 wrote:

James12345 wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Peachy popped into Suggers stream yesterday for a bit as she was discussing him going solo, they'll be doing a crossover or two in the future, so I am really looking forward to that.

James12345 wrote:
or secretly being a creep(midwinter minis).

I stopped watching after the condescending tank painting video, what else has he been up to..?

He hired a new assistant who was half his age and immediately started having an affair with her. Then he left his long term gf and two kids and refused to give her anything more than the legal bare minimum, which wasn't much because they weren't married. She's posted about how she really struggled.
He always gave me weird vibes

WHOA. Well that was a wild thing to catch up on.

The dude has always acted like someone who loves the smell of his own farts. Some of his content is good but it's always had that underlying arrogance. Should be noted that it was only a year after his gf had the twins.

The drama all played out over Reddit and the person he had the affair with is in the same orbit as Peachy/Suggs and ex GW employee. Was probably the biggest GW influencer drama in recent years.

I have watched the fist 2 of the 3(?) space marine painting videos and quite enjoyed them but I have to admit, not sure they are particularly innovative for YouTube content.

That said, if I was Peachy starting a new channel I would have gone with Space Marines too, and what is there that hasn't already been said about painting them?

I'm hoping to see more army painting tips and tricks, let's hope he isn't stymied by "the algorithm" and puts out some fun content. I did really enjoy his painting tips on The Painting Phase, the vehicle ones in particular.

He has been encouraged to do stuff like historicals and other game systems as well, so that's something to look forward to.

I enjoyed his video about dwarves. I'm not all that bothered about beginners tips, but I really enjoyed his history of the faction and his time with them. Very enjoyable.

I really liked the marine trio of videos. May use some of those tips to get some stuff quickly onto the table.

Won’t be used for my labour of love armies I paint. But for the quick and on the table stuff. Board game minis or just stuff there’s loads of. Sure.

Wow, I did not realize MW was such a gakshow. I am SO glad I don't follow people outside their videos

What the feth, is all that about midwinter true? If so I'm unsubbing from milkshake duck yet again...

My preferred youtube "beat" is terrain crafting, but you see the same stuff impacting those guys. Every one of them that gets into it full time has to grind out videos on a brutal schedule that sucks the life out of them, and results in creative burnout.

Then the poor sods try to switch to a slightly different track to give themselves a creative boost (something as simple as changing the game they're building for) and bam, views crater and never recover. You get to watch these fellas age three times as fast as normal over time because of the pressure.

In that situation, I can see why people go for lower effort high engagement videos and clickbait titles.

But it does put me off the channels, and I think it sort of shows that you can't easily make a job out of that sort of thing, and if you do, you've probably just ruined your hobby for yourself.

I think a bit part of it is how youtube itself works. It requires content creators to jump through hoops and produce more hours of video work than major TV shows have to do for a weekly slot.

The whole system is built on tiny gains through mass media creation and the result is a system that generates VAST amounts of content at the cost of burning out the creators.

Throw on the fact that its not just content but certain kinds and presented in certain ways and that that system often favours one very specific niche and you've got not just burnout but burnout where you aren't even burning out on what you want (or what the poeple want) but what the algorithm wants.


Plus given how many people I've seen around complaining not just about what its doing to creators but how useless search and algorithms are being at finding content and presenting it - I get a strong feeling its burning both ends - creators and fans - at the same time.

Ooh, let's go!

 BrookM wrote:
Ooh, let's go!