Deadpool & Wolverine - First Trailer

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**AduroT**

1:22, the store on the left side of the screen.

**Vulcan**

Well, it's definitely going to be rated R, so many worries are gone. I'm cautiously hopeful. Might even go see this one in the theater.

**insaniak**

AduroT wrote:
1:22, the store on the left side of the screen.

Yup, that was possibly my favourite part of the trailer.

Really looking forward to this, though.

**Ghaz**

‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Looking To Slash Box Office Records With $200M+ Opening – Box Office Early Look - Deadline

Disney/Marvel Studios‘ Deadpool & Wolverine hit six-week tracking this morning and man, does it look amazing. The Quorum, which monitors pics six weeks ahead, is reporting a projection of $200M-$239M, which the service actually believes is conservative.

Let’s give this an asterisk: There never has been an R-rated movie that has opened to $200M, and the Ryan Reynolds-Hugh Jackman threequel busting that sphere would be an anomaly. The current record for an R-rated opening at the domestic box office is owned by the original Deadpool, which posted $132.4M back in February 2016. Even if Deadpool & Wolverine comes in at $150M — keep in mind, it’s not clear if the younger Disney Marvel Studios parents/fans realize this is R-rated — it still would rep the biggest opening for both Reynolds (beating Deadpool) and Jackman (besting X-Men: The Last Stand‘s $103M in 2006). At that level, it also would be the highest opening of the summer, besting even this weekend’s anticipated $120M-$130M start for Disney/Pixar’s Inside Out 2.

Among those willing to pay to see the movie in a theater, the Shawn Levy-directed threequel blows away all other titles this summer with a high score. In fact, it’s the highest of any movie this summer in any metric across unaided and total awareness and interest. The movie also has the highest PLF score at 28% with Quorom, meaning of all the movies this summer, audiences definitely want to see this in a premium format. The tracking numbers for men, we are told, actually are higher than those for Spider-Man: No Way Home six weeks from release; that movie ranks as the second-best domestic opening of all time at $260.1M. Note the projections for Deadpool & Wolverine could actually climb.

**Jadenim**

This is the thing I don’t get with all of the commentators and doomsayers going on about “cinema is dead” and even “films are dead”; no. The lesson of the last few years is simply make good films. If you churn out generic, focus grouped, corporate nonsense, people can tell that it’s just a money making exercise and won’t show. If you actually let the artists make something cool and interesting, people will want to see it.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Dude, The Fall Guy and Furiosa were both good movies. Better than Kong X Godzilla, and I like that franchise. It’s just not that simple.

Audiences seem to be staying home for everything except “event” movies or movie theater experiences. And they almost always choose known quantity IPs over anything new or creative.

**Lance845**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Dude, The Fall Guy and Furiosa were both good movies. Better than Kong X Godzilla, and I like that franchise. It’s just not that simple.

Audiences seem to be staying home for everything except “event” movies or movie theater experiences. And they almost always choose known quantity IPs over anything new or creative.

Yeah, but how much of that is because they got burned by so much middling dross? Once bitten twice shy.

Studios have poisoned their own well.

**The_Real_Chris**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Dude, The Fall Guy and Furiosa were both good movies. Better than Kong X Godzilla, and I like that franchise. It’s just not that simple.

Audiences seem to be staying home for everything except “event” movies or movie theater experiences. And they almost always choose known quantity IPs over anything new or creative.

I would concur with the stay at home being the default. Many cinemas in accessible locations are pushing £20 a ticket. Those two films are interesting choices. Fall guy was to all reports a perfectly ok film. The type that would have got good attendance in yesteryear. Furiosa had in my experience terrible word of mouth (people like me were extremely disappointed and I regret dragging extended family to the cinema to see it, by the end they were all on their phones and people were drifting out of the screening) but massive review push from positive reviewers and advertising which also didn't seem to do the trick.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

Lance845 wrote:
BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Dude, The Fall Guy and Furiosa were both good movies. Better than Kong X Godzilla, and I like that franchise. It’s just not that simple.

Audiences seem to be staying home for everything except “event” movies or movie theater experiences. And they almost always choose known quantity IPs over anything new or creative.

Yeah, but how much of that is because they got burned by so much middling dross? Once bitten twice shy.

Studios have poisoned their own well.

Which is how cinema has largely always been.

The MCU is notable for a decent run of quality, up to and including Endgame. As in even the lesser thought of entries are still perfectly decent movies.

But when we look back? Cinema is mostly completely middling.

What has been a game changer is digital home rentals. Not only is it supreme convenience? But I can buy the film too, usually for around £20. Prior to my move, where my new home town has a flea pit with £7.50 tickets? A visit to the cinema was around if not over £20.

So…why pay more to be in an auditorium with loud mouthed oiks, strange smells and often blurry projection, when I can bide my time for a few weeks, and enjoy it in the comfort of my own home?

**Overread**

Don't forget speakers calibrated by someone half deaf. I've been in a few cinemas where the volume is just so loud that you can hear the speakers crackling as they give out and its so loud that its painful/annoying.

Not helped by some directors seeming to create films with a huge range of volumes from super quiet whispers to super loud explosions. At least at home you can adjust the volume (though I HATE when I have to do that!)

Ticket price on entry for a LOT of things is creeping up. Country shows, Zoos, Cinemas - all are feeling the pinch of lower numbers and are raising costs for the numbers they still get. I can't help but wonder if they slashed prices if they'd actually get double or more the footfall (and thus way more profit on the concessoins/giftship/whatever). It's especially expensive for adult/older teen groups where everyone counts as an adult ticket and few places have a concession for multiple adults at once like they do family tickets.

**Ghaz**

‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Lands China Day-And-Date Release, A First For Merc With A Mouth - Deadline

China’s Film Bureau has approved a July 26 release for Disney/Marvel Studios’ Deadpool & Wolverine, arguably one of the most anticipated movies of the year globally. Marvel’s Weibo account announced the dating this morning Beijing time which Disney has confirmed. The release is day-and-date with the U.S. and marks the first time the Merc with a Mouth is going to China in step with the rest of the world.

The first Deadpool did not release in China while Deadpool 2, completely refashioned as Once Upon a Deadpool with new scenes to create a PG-13 version, was released there in early 2019, many months after the original DP2 had its run elsewhere. It went on to do about $40M in the market at today’s rates.

Well, that simultaneous release in the US and China will help the bottom line.

**AduroT**

Was Once Upon A Deadpool the Princess Bride spoof or was that something else?

**Ghaz**

AduroT wrote:
Was Once Upon A Deadpool the Princess Bride spoof or was that something else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadpool_2#Once_Upon_a_Deadpool

Yes. it looks like it was the Princess Bride parody.

**insaniak**

Overread wrote:
Don't forget speakers calibrated by someone half deaf. I've been in a few cinemas where the volume is just so loud that you can hear the speakers crackling as they give out and its so loud that its painful/annoying.

Not helped by some directors seeming to create films with a huge range of volumes from super quiet whispers to super loud explosions. At least at home you can adjust the volume (though I HATE when I have to do that!)

Modern sound mixing is worse at home... A lot of my movie watching is after the kids are in bed, and for so many modern movies and shows, if you want to hear the dialogue, the windows are rattling during the action scenes.

But yeah, cinema has always had a generous sprinkling of 'middling dross' and a lot of that stuff has traditionally done ok at the cinema. The combination of ticket prices, bigger and better home screens, streaming, and the convenience of just staying home are much bigger factors in falling box office than modern movie quality.

**Overread**

Also lets not forget in the golden-days of the 90s you had to wait years to get a film on home VHS. Waiting for the cinemas and then rental and then consumer release.

These days the DVD/Blueray is out not many months after the film and many streaming services are offering films at the same time as the cinema or very soon after they stop showing at large on the cinema.

So there's a LOT less pressure because in a month or two you'll be able to watch it for cheap at home - or at least for the same cost as a single ticket.

When a family ticket is £20 and a DVD is £20 then the cinema seems pretty good; when a single adult is £20 and the DVD is still £20 and the streaming is some cheap price you pay each month anyway to get your favourite TV show - then suddenly the cinema seems really expensive.

**insaniak**

Overread wrote:
Also lets not forget in the golden-days of the 90s you had to wait years to get a film on home VHS. Waiting for the cinemas and then rental and then consumer release.

I can remember as a kid, the usual progression was cinema release, then about 6 months later the drive-in cinemas would get it, and then at some point 6-12 months later (or more) it would hit VHS. I don't recall if we had a gap over here between VHS rental and retail sale originally, as we didn't buy a lot of videos when I was a kid, but by the late '90s retail was at the same time. Releasing for rental first would have just encouraged piracy, particularly once DVDs arrived.

When a family ticket is £20 and a DVD is £20 then the cinema seems pretty good; when a single adult is £20 and the DVD is still £20 and the streaming is some cheap price you pay each month anyway to get your favourite TV show - then suddenly the cinema seems really expensive.

Very much this. I took the family to see The Phantom Menace on May 4th, because it was a good opportunity for the girls to see Star Wars on the big screen... but at nearly $80 for the 4 of us before snacks, it's not something I would be doing for the vast majority of movies, particularly knowing they they're going to be up on streaming in a couple of months.

That said, I will probably get myself to the cinema for Deadpool & Wolverine, because I enjoyed the hell out of the first two and this one looks like it will be perfect for the cinema experience.

**BobtheInquisitor**

Don’t get me started on sound mixing. Even when no one is sleeping we still have to use subtitles just to understand dialogue. And we always bring earplugs to the cinema just in case.

The wait time between theaters and home viewing used to matter a lot. When films like T2, Star Trek 6 or Gremlins 2 came out, we went to see them in the theaters at least 3 times. Our parents would get so sick of the films they’d buy tickets for all of us, but theirs would be for some “mid” drama or romcom for a change. And if you missed a movie in the theater, you would have to hear all about it from friends, classmates, coworkers, pop culture references, all that stuff for a year before you would have a chance to finally be in the conversation.

…Which leads to another factor I think decreases turnout: pop culture balkanization. Back in the day, everyone would be talking about the big action film, thriller, drama, or whatever, with the expectation that everyone would know what they were talking about. Just like with big TV shows, films dominated pop culture discussion and gave society a common cultural experience to aid in relating to each other. Now, there are so many different shows on so many different services that there is no more common cultural experience any more, and there are damn few new movies everyone talks about with any expectation of anyone else knowing what they’re talking about.

**Overread**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:

…Which leads to another factor I think decreases turnout: pop culture balkanization. Back in the day, everyone would be talking about the big action film, thriller, drama, or whatever, with the expectation that everyone would know what they were talking about. Just like with big TV shows, films dominated pop culture discussion and gave society a common cultural experience to aid in relating to each other. Now, there are so many different shows on so many different services that there is no more common cultural experience any more, and there are damn few new movies everyone talks about with any expectation of anyone else knowing what they’re talking about.

I agree with this and I disagree.

I think its 100% happening, but at the same time I think its also an age thing too. I feel like when we are kids you got to school/college/uni with a bunch in your age demographic and a few above and below. So I think that in itself gives you a huge amount of common culture influences. Once you hit adulthood I think its very easy to lose that. Work can be easily huge demographic shifts with little in common save you work at the same spot; hobbies and clubs can restore some of it, but you might only spend a few hours there a week before its back to home and work life. Not the same as school where you'd share classes and meals all day and such.

So I do agree with the huge amount of media we have now, which has clearly grown, esp in geek terms, I think that there is, if not less popculture then at least a much much faster turnover. However I think the other aspect is an age thing too and part of moving past school into other areas of life where its not guaranteed to happen, but where it easily can for long periods.

**BobtheInquisitor**

You have a point. However, when I ask my son and his friends and cousins what all the kids watch, they have no answer. Video games seem to be the pieces of pop culture they all have in common. Before the pandemic, they said the Marvel movies were what everyone had in common.

**Ahtman**

Final trailer dropped and there are surprises and spoilers in it so avoid if you don't want to know anything avoid it.

Spoiler:

**Lance845**

I am fairly certain they specifically said the main Wolverine is a different wolverine.

Logan ended the old wolverine. We saw his story beginning to end. Part of what bought Hugh back to the role was getting to explore the character from a different angle by being a new version.

**Ahtman**

Lance845 wrote:
I am fairly certain they specifically said the main Wolverine is a different wolverine.

Logan ended the old wolverine. We saw his story beginning to end. Part of what bought Hugh back to the role was getting to explore the character from a different angle by being a new version.

Spoiler:

**Grimskul**

Ahtman wrote:
Final trailer dropped and there are surprises and spoilers in it so avoid if you don't want to know anything avoid it.

Spoiler:

Besides showing Sabretooth again it seems Deadpool takes place in the same universe as Logan and Dafne Keen reprises her role as X-23 from that universe. So yeah.

Hmmmm, thanks for sharing. I'm hoping if they do it here universe wise that it gives it justice given that it really did wrap up things very cleanly narratively speaking.

On another side note, the marketing for the movie has been interesting with what they've been using on the gaming side:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fk64u7ms24add1.png

Not sure about the actual ergonomics of the thing, but I've seen it making the rounds online so it's been effective as far as getting the buzz around.

**insaniak**

Lance845 wrote:
I am fairly certain they specifically said the main Wolverine is a different wolverine.

Logan ended the old wolverine. We saw his story beginning to end. Part of what bought Hugh back to the role was getting to explore the character from a different angle by being a new version.

Logan was a separate continuity to the other X-movies.

But then, by this point pretty much all of the x-movies are their own continuity.

**LordofHats**

"These timelines are so confusing."

**Overread**

LordofHats wrote:
"These timelines are so confusing."

They've basically become as convoluted as the comics - so it kind of fits honestly.

But yeah its so messy and it has the same impact on me that it does with the comics; it just puts me right off.

**LordofHats**

(I was quoting Deadpool from the first movie)

**Overread**

Well he's right!!

**insaniak**

The one constant... whatever else is happening, Wolverine is there.

**Bran Dawri**

Overread wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
"These timelines are so confusing."

They've basically become as convoluted as the comics - so it kind of fits honestly.

But yeah its so messy and it has the same impact on me that it does with the comics; it just puts me right off.

Eh, I used to (when I was still into comics) just take each arc as its own story with (some) of the same characters. Just assume it starts from some status quo and enjoy the ride from there.
Age of Apocalypse was my favorite alternate take though.