Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I'm honestly a little surprised at the lack of rumors at this point. Sure, we're still around 2 weeks out at the soonest, but we were hearing things long in advance for other Codices. All I've seen so far is "It'll be a large codex".

I'm jonesing for some rumors....

Two weeks? More like 6..

I really don't think they'll hold off through the end of January. It won't be next week because of Christmas, at the earliest it'll be Jan 2nd/3rd, though even that would be pushing it with the holiday. I don't expect it to come out any later than the 9th/10th, though I retain the right to be completely wrong.

Requizen wrote:
I really don't think they'll hold off through the end of January. It won't be next week because of Christmas, at the earliest it'll be Jan 2nd/3rd, though even that would be pushing it with the holiday. I don't expect it to come out any later than the 9th/10th, though I retain the right to be completely wrong.

I hope you're right. Sooner is better. I don't want to invest to much money in my burgeoning army until I know what sucks. LOL

The problems with the new c'tan formation in its current form(pre- new codex), is price and save dynamics. The absolute cheapest load out is 255 pts. That's 2 no frills crypteks with SoL(no pun intended), and an impotent c'tan sporting ES and LoF.

In a good set up, destructek, despairtek, and TT/TA w/relic costs an astronomical 375! Using a wraithknight as a control in comparison, a fully loaded one w/ SC and SS, and SL, of our charming counterpart comes to 300. When honestly you don't need the upgrades when you come with a standard of 2 WCs at 245pts.

That's 2 more Str, jump capabilities, 2 s10 weapons w/ instant death proc @36" for less than 2/3's the price. So is loosing the above, and gaining a diminishing FnP and EW comparable for the exorbitant price tag? Not on my bean counter.

Next you have an issue with the unit composition itself. Armor saves are screwed b/c the first volley is only up against a majority armor save of 4+, unless the C'tan plans to do a look out sir dance. One plasma cannon volley can potentially wipe the unit(slim but a factor nonetheless). Let's not forget how Gaze of death gets the sharp end, with 2 chaperones in tow.

The only hope or remedy would if they totally reworked points for the C'tan and gave crypteks more inv save options.

 Nyghoma wrote:
The problems with the new c'tan formation in its current form(pre- new codex), is price and save dynamics. The absolute cheapest load out is 255 pts. That's 2 no frills crypteks with SoL(no pun intended), and an impotent c'tan sporting ES and LoF.

In a good set up, destructek, despairtek, and TT/TA w/relic costs an astronomical 375! Using a wraithknight as a control in comparison, a fully loaded one w/ SC and SS, and SL, of our charming counterpart comes to 300. When honestly you don't need the upgrades when you come with a standard of 2 WCs at 245pts.

That's 2 more Str, jump capabilities, 2 s10 weapons w/ instant death proc @36" for less than 2/3's the price. So is loosing the above, and gaining a diminishing FnP and EW comparable for the exorbitant price tag? Not on my bean counter.

Next you have an issue with the unit composition itself. Armor saves are screwed b/c the first volley is only up against a majority armor save of 4+, unless the C'tan plans to do a look out sir dance. One plasma cannon volley can potentially wipe the unit(slim but a factor nonetheless). Let's not forget how Gaze of death gets the sharp end, with 2 chaperones in tow.

The only hope or remedy would if they totally reworked points for the C'tan and gave crypteks more inv save options.

Could be wrong on this bro, as i only skimmed through that page, but i'm pretty sure that when you buy the formation, it doesn't get fielded as a unit. Unless it specifically states so, at least.

Just got the call, Shield of Baal: Exterminatus arrived at the local game store this afternoon... I think I am getting sick a will need to leave work early...

Got Exterminatus. There is nothing else for Necrons that hadn't been leaked already, mostly nothing that makes Necrons any more competitve than they already are, the C'tan formation is the most interesting and using the relics is nice.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Got Exterminatus. There is nothing else for Necrons that hadn't been leaked already, mostly nothing that makes Necrons any more competitve than they already are, the C'tan formation is the most interesting and using the relics is nice.

Thank god.

I would of been mad if they got any more pants on head crazy

Neronoxx wrote:

 Nyghoma wrote:
The problems with the new c'tan formation in its current form(pre- new codex), is price and save dynamics. The absolute cheapest load out is 255 pts. That's 2 no frills crypteks with SoL(no pun intended), and an impotent c'tan sporting ES and LoF.

In a good set up, destructek, despairtek, and TT/TA w/relic costs an astronomical 375! Using a wraithknight as a control in comparison, a fully loaded one w/ SC and SS, and SL, of our charming counterpart comes to 300. When honestly you don't need the upgrades when you come with a standard of 2 WCs at 245pts.

That's 2 more Str, jump capabilities, 2 s10 weapons w/ instant death proc @36" for less than 2/3's the price. So is loosing the above, and gaining a diminishing FnP and EW comparable for the exorbitant price tag? Not on my bean counter.

Next you have an issue with the unit composition itself. Armor saves are screwed b/c the first volley is only up against a majority armor save of 4+, unless the C'tan plans to do a look out sir dance. One plasma cannon volley can potentially wipe the unit(slim but a factor nonetheless). Let's not forget how Gaze of death gets the sharp end, with 2 chaperones in tow.

The only hope or remedy would if they totally reworked points for the C'tan and gave crypteks more inv save options.

Could be wrong on this bro, as i only skimmed through that page, but i'm pretty sure that when you buy the formation, it doesn't get fielded as a unit. Unless it specifically states so, at least.

It is fielded as 1 unit and the Crypteks use the toughness value of the C'tan for to wound rolls. (so with god shackle thats T8, which means they are immune to bolter fire). Pretty nifty even if its exepnsive.

Could be wrong on this bro, as i only skimmed through that page, but i'm pretty sure that when you buy the formation, it doesn't get fielded as a unit. Unless it specifically states so, at least.

The formation must be fielded and remain a unit.

Getting a closer look at the New Lord Model And it is clearly not a conversion. The head is brand new and the arms have Necron symbols on the insides of the wrists that no other bit has. A very disappointing new model.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Getting a closer look at the New Lord Model And it is clearly not a conversion. The head is brand new and the arms have Necron symbols on the insides of the wrists that no other bit has. A very disappointing new model.

That's disappointing. I know that some people like the "giant Scythe" thing, and I'm glad that those people now get a decent bit for it, but I'm not a fan of that personally.

When it looks like a conversion I could have done myself, I'm not impressed.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
When it looks like a conversion I could have done myself, I'm not impressed.

To be fair, Necron Conversions are not really that hard to do. They are a bit of minimalist models

Agreed but the staff is 90% the CCB overlords staff different blade. There was an opportunity to do something unique. Is Anrakyr not unique, the Stormlord, Orikon, Trayzan, Zandrek, Obyron. All stylistically similar but very unique builds. The average lord should be stock bodies! overlords unique chassis.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
The warriors too upon high detailed examination, those new barrels don't look like the top piece from the immortal kit. Thinking those are a new kit.

 Nyghoma wrote:

In a good set up, destructek, despairtek, and TT/TA w/relic costs an astronomical 375! Using a wraithknight as a control in comparison, a fully loaded one w/ SC and SS, and SL, of our charming counterpart comes to 300. When honestly you don't need the upgrades when you come with a standard of 2 WCs at 245pts.

Well...there's your problem. You're using Eldar as your control. In the edition where they've seriously started slapping armies to prevent the Eldar-Tau power creep of 6th edition (as they were blatantly better than everything before them and most things after them too).

Never use another army as a Control.

Or Tyranid players will start using your Transcendant C'tan as a control for comparisons with Hierodules. To be fair, with your mandatory upgrades you come out 150 or so points more expensive than a Hierodule...

But your base stats alone are infinitely better.

(Seriously, Tyranids pay for a T6 critter with a 3+ armour save, I3 and at best WS 4 depending on if Barbed or Scythed. You get WS 9, S9 and T9 off the dot with an Invuln save. Seriously.)

Transcendent C'tan can never be buffed in anyway except by Zandrehk which really just gives it tank hunter, most other powers really aren't useful. Tyranid GC, have 10 wounds, don't explode when they die, and can be buffed by psychic powers. The Bio-Titan has a 2+/6++ with 10 wounds and regeneration for 1000pts, that's on-par with the C'tan.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Transcendent C'tan can never be buffed in anyway except by Zandrehk which really just gives it tank hunter, most other powers really aren't useful. Tyranid GC, have 10 wounds, don't explode when they die, and can be buffed by psychic powers. The Bio-Titan has a 2+/6++ with 10 wounds and regeneration for 1000pts, that's on-par with the C'tan.

Not really. You're looking at the Hierophant, which is intended to be our Titan equivalent. It's the equivalent of comparing a Tau Fire Warrior to a Wraithknight to be honest.

The Hierodule is our small GC equivalent. And by all the gods the Hierodule is a sad and sorry little creature for what they have done with it.

Yes, I know the formation is not that great with its point layout...

But I think giving a C'tan a 3+ FNP might just be a factor in that. You know.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Transcendent C'tan can never be buffed in anyway except by Zandrehk which really just gives it tank hunter, most other powers really aren't useful. Tyranid GC, have 10 wounds, don't explode when they die, and can be buffed by psychic powers. The Bio-Titan has a 2+/6++ with 10 wounds and regeneration for 1000pts, that's on-par with the C'tan.

Since when is the exploding a bad thing?
I always like two Deep Strike a Monolith or two and sling the C'tan to the middle of their base.
Last time his explosion took out more points than the two turns of shooting he had before.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Transcendent C'tan can never be buffed in anyway except by Zandrehk which really just gives it tank hunter, most other powers really aren't useful. Tyranid GC, have 10 wounds, don't explode when they die, and can be buffed by psychic powers. The Bio-Titan has a 2+/6++ with 10 wounds and regeneration for 1000pts, that's on-par with the C'tan.

Not really. You're looking at the Hierophant, which is intended to be our Titan equivalent. It's the equivalent of comparing a Tau Fire Warrior to a Wraithknight to be honest.

The Hierodule is our small GC equivalent. And by all the gods the Hierodule is a sad and sorry little creature for what they have done with it.

Yes, I know the formation is not that great with its point layout...

But I think giving a C'tan a 3+ FNP might just be a factor in that. You know.

And what do you think our titan equivalent is? Surely not our other super-heavies (/cough skyfire.... ). The TC is our apex. The cheapest TC load out is still more expensive then a Hierodule.

But in any event, units of that caliber are in class by themselves, surmounted on who gets to throw the 1st punch.

I'm speaking of MCs in general. Cost vs efficiency, Necrons fall flat. The truth is the supplement MC's(tomb ---) are our better choice over C'tan shards. It's such a shame and squander considering how comely the models are. At least for me, the c'tan fluff and appearance is what got me hooked on these ancient aliens to begin with. I really want such a pivotal cog to be useful for something other than friendly games.

I mentioned it in another post. All the c'tans need are a revision of their point costs across the board and means of travel, rather then the tenuous footslog. 1st turn deep strike options(Ala drop pod) or jump/jetpack/Fmc swap would suffice.

I know, I'm asking a lot, lol.

FYI the new formation gives them stock FNP, not 3+++

Not sure what GW is thinking offering us some new formations.
Random thoughts if you ask me.

Hey maybe I am blind or the list just doesn't list it but with the god shackle and the other relics there isn't the normal "a model can only have one relic/ only one of each relic per army" or am i missing it and I'm just blind?

Kangodo wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Transcendent C'tan can never be buffed in anyway except by Zandrehk which really just gives it tank hunter, most other powers really aren't useful. Tyranid GC, have 10 wounds, don't explode when they die, and can be buffed by psychic powers. The Bio-Titan has a 2+/6++ with 10 wounds and regeneration for 1000pts, that's on-par with the C'tan.

Since when is the exploding a bad thing?
I always like two Deep Strike a Monolith or two and sling the C'tan to the middle of their base.
Last time his explosion took out more points than the two turns of shooting he had before.

No offense but that sounds like your opponent was a pretty new player.. Deep strike a monolith *or two* ? That's a lot of monoliths.. Why wouldn't they simply *move* 6" away from the C'tan before shooting it? Do they just stand there, surround it then let it blow up ontop of them?

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Getting a closer look at the New Lord Model And it is clearly not a conversion. The head is brand new and the arms have Necron symbols on the insides of the wrists that no other bit has. A very disappointing new model.

Is it just me or does it look like a pair of pants on his head

 Desubot wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Getting a closer look at the New Lord Model And it is clearly not a conversion. The head is brand new and the arms have Necron symbols on the insides of the wrists that no other bit has. A very disappointing new model.

Is it just me or does it look like a pair of pants on his head

Well, I know who I'm going to be modeling him after, now...

Does anyone else feel that giving a character with a 2+/3++ save the ability to re-roll 1's, as well as better str weapons, for only 25 points is a bit insane. He is the ultimate bullet sponge.

I actually like the fact that the new lord is very unoriginal. First of all, they are Necrons, they are tools for the C'tan, weapons...or rather bullets, if you want to, and individualism wouldn't fit to begin with.

Secondly...with all Special Characters looking so similar, you can convert them from a regular Overlord at ease and everyone already has too many Overlords anyway (CCB / AB).

Win-win.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Is Anrakyr not unique, the Stormlord, Orikon, Trayzan, Zandrek, Obyron. All stylistically similar but very unique builds.

You must be joking... With the exception of Orikon the others all look extremely similar, even to the standard overlord models.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Is Anrakyr not unique, the Stormlord, Orikon, Trayzan, Zandrek, Obyron. All stylistically similar but very unique builds.

You must be joking... With the exception of Orikon the others all look extremely similar, even to the standard overlord models.

No they don't. Orikon isn't even a lord he's a Cryptek.