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Hello my dear friends
I am a great fan of w40k universe.
I have always liked space marines.I have read a lot of 40k novels(about 20 ) I played for different chapters.They are: Black Templars,Raven Guard,Space Wolves.I have always idealised imperium  until one day when I read novel about soul drinkers.This novel opened my eyes.
I have always looked at imperium from one viev.And I couldn't see it as it is.I still think that Horus was great warmaster.Nobody liked Horus actions,but I think that Horus foreseened  imperium in state as it is now.The same with soul drinkers.Well,it is not their fault that they became heretics.Author showed us real imperium,we can see it as cruel  empire full of corruption and betrayal.That's why I decided to create new chapter which will leave imperium and create world for people living in it.I hope that you guys will help me with background for this chapter.I want to make thread where you will post any ideas on this chapter.I think Angels of Retribution will be the best name, but if you have any ideas on my chapters name,tell me.I have already made painting scheme for them,here it is:  http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/310648.page First of all I  have to decide place and time of it's  creation.I don't know who is their primarch.As you can see there are a lot of things to consider.I have army big enough to use both blood angels and space wolves codex.That's why I  want to split them in brethrens/brotherhoods(tell me please is there any difference between brethren and brotherhood,Acording to my dictionary it is almost the same).It is like eldar aspects.For example jump infaltry belongs to brethren/brotherhood of raven and they are painted black.Devastators will belong to dragon brethren/brotherhood.Thunderwolves to wolf brethren/brotherhood.
Let's start with primarch and chapter they were founded by.Tell me what you think!!!

P.S sorry for my English guys.I am trying to do my best.

The colour scheme and name are both very nice. Good luck!

I don't know which primarch should it be.I have few variants.They are Corax,Sanguinius,Dorn,What about Horus.Is it possible that Horus was their primarch?I am a great fan of Horus.


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Is it possible that my chapter was founded in times of Horus heresy?

Hey Constantine,
I've addressed a few points I pulled out of your posts in this and your painting thread, hopefully it'll help you decide what you're doing with your chapter. The idea of a Chapter turning away from the Imperium to establish a utopia is an interesting one, although they'll need to be careful the Imperium doesn't just wipe them out for heresy.

Constantine wrote:I think Angels of Retribution will be the best name, but if you have any ideas on my chapters name, tell me.

Angels of Retribution is a good name, although there are already a couple of people out there using it. They're also mentioned in Chapter Approved: The Second Book of the Astronomicon, although they're nothing more than a name in a list. Nothing to stop you from using the name, just if you want to be completely original (which is vastly overrated, in my books. ) then you might consider changing it.

Constantine wrote:That's why I want to split them into brethrens/brotherhoods (tell me please is there any difference between brethren and brotherhood, according to my dictionary it is almost the same).

'Brethren' is an archaic plural form of "brother". "Brotherhood" is the bond between brothers, or an organisation where the members share similar bonds. So the brethren form the brotherhood.

Constantine wrote:For example jump infantry belongs to brethren/brotherhood of raven and they are painted black. Devastators will belong to dragon brethren/brotherhood. Thunderwolves to wolf brethren/brotherhood.

It's an interesting concept. I assume that the brotherhoods are in addition to the usual codex organisation? So a battle company would have squads from several brotherhoods in, but the brotherhoods would maintain inter-company links. Sort of similar to the warrior lodges of the original Legions.

Constantine wrote:This army will have Titan.

The Space Marines don't usually have any Titans. They all belong to the Adeptus Mechanicus, and are part of the Collegia Titanica. However, it is possible for Titans and Marines to be deployed together, and it's not infrequent for both to be part of the same crusade force. It's possible that when your chapter went rogue they managed to capture the Titan or persuade its crew to join them, but they wouldn't have had control of it before that.

Constantine wrote:I want to make the chapter of the 21 founding( quite new,m42.007).

The 21st founding was in M36. It is also known as the "Cursed Founding", as tampering with the gene-seed of the new chapters had somewhat undesirable results. The Black Dragons, for example, grow bone crests on their heads and blade-like protrusions on their forearms. The Lamenters are plagued with ill fortune, the Flame Falcons have a habit of spontaneously combusting in the middle of battle, that sort of thing. In addition, the game is generally set near the end of M41. While there's nothing stopping you from setting your own narrative in the future, we don't really know much about events after the 13th Black Crusade.
That said, it does seem likely that the 27th Founding will have taken place early in the 42nd millennium, to help recover from the Black Crusade and reinforce the Eye of Terror.

Constantine wrote:My chapter will have some imperial guard.I am thinking about painting scheme for them.If you have any ideas tell me.

Similarly to Titans, the Astartes doesn't 'have' IG. They might fight alongside them, and there would likely be a Planetary Defence Force for the chapter's homeworld or perhaps several Regiments founded on said homeworld, and the Marines might have close ties to the Guard, but they wouldn't be in control of a force of Guardsmen, at least not before they go rogue.

Constantine wrote:I don't know which primarch should it be. I have few variants.They are Corax, Sanguinius, Dorn, What about Horus. Is it possible that Horus was their primarch? I am a great fan of Horus.

They couldn't really be use Horus's geneseed, he and the Sons of Horus were declared Excommunicate Traitoris due to the Heresy. The Blood Ravens chapter is hinted at being descended from the Thousand Sons, but there's nothing definite. Even the Blood Ravens don't know who their Primarch is, so if your guys are descended from one of the traitor legions they wouldn't know it.

A lot of "Angels of [whatever]" chapters are Dark Angels successors; have you considered El'Johnson? They're not given to any sort of geneseed mutation, and I'm not sure you necessarily need to have Ravenwing and Deathwing companies. Particularly as many DA successors rename their companies, so you could tie it in with your Brotherhoods. Have the Ravenwing be instead the Brotherhood of the Falcon, or whatever.

Alternately, the old fallback is the Ultramarines. 60% of all chapters are meant to be using Ultramarines geneseed, or geneseed from one of the Ultra's successor chapters. With around 600 Ultramarine chapters in service, it's expected that some, if not most, of them will deviate from the Codex Astartes. Heck, even the Ultras have in recent years. (Tyrannic War veterans, I'm looking at you!)

Constantine wrote:Is it possible that my chapter was founded in times of Horus heresy?

Not really. Horus Heresy happened before there was any chapters, the marines were still in Legions back then. You could make a case for being one of the Second Founding chapters, which split off from the Legions after the Heresy in M31.
Alternately, you could have your guys one of the two unknown Legions, although you would have to make up your own Primarch, explain why there all the records of the Legion were deleted, and you wouldn't have been influencing anything during the Heresy (having been 'lost' before it started). I'd personally advise against both options, just make one of many, many unknown chapters that are meant to be out there in M41.

Thank you very much for your attention.I will read about Dark Angels primarch tonight.


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This is chapter of 2 founding.


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What do you think of name?Which one would you offer?
I want my chapters name to deal with changes.Angels of Change(I know sounds bad,I can't find proper word)

What about the "Angels of Refinement?"

I like this one.Any other variants?What about angels of recreation


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Angels of Refinement sounds cool


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What about Angels of Purgation


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Angels of Revolution


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Angels of Amendment


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Angels of Justice
Angels of salvation

Angels Of Schism...subscribed

i have a thread that could help you if you were to assist us aswell:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/310851.page

KmoH

Here is the poll I made few hours ago to decide which name to use for my guys .Here it is:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/313894.page



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kravus master of Horus wrote:i have a thread that could help you if you were to assist us aswell
KmoH

I will help you with great pleasure.



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Here is the basic information about my chapter:

Now we know their name



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What about founding?What if they are chapter of the second founding.Are there any other variants?

Hey Constantine if you double click on your posts you can amend them without getting the automatically amended message every time you change or add something to a post.

Back on topic, I think the name is ok but not that strong. Have you considered adding the brotherhood element to the name, The Brotherhood of Salvation, the Holy Order of Salvation, the Sons of Conscience, The True Brethren and so on...

How about Jaghatai Khan, Primarch of the White Scars. He disappeared while pursuing Dark Eldar into a webway portal after they had managed to raid Mundus Planus. There are rumors that he fights there still, lost in the twisting paths of the Webway. After nine thousand years it seems highly unlikely, but not impossible.

Three other Primarchs have disappeared, Leman Russ, Vulkan and Corax. Anyone of these figure could theoretically return to find the Imperium in the clutches of power hungry and greedy individuals. Then swearing to restore the realm of the divine Emperor to his true message, they break all ties with what they consider corrupt and renegade forces and begin their crusade.

Let me know what you think.

Lennysmash wrote:
Back on topic, I think the name is ok but not that strong. Have you considered adding the brotherhood element to the name, The Brotherhood of Salvation, the Holy Order of Salvation, the Sons of Conscience, The True Brethren and so on...

Let me know what you think.

Great idea man.I think Sons of Conscience sounds cool.

May I get the privilege of hunting you and your wretched band of heretics down and take your head as a trophy

But seriously, 's'a cool enough idea... Emperor knows the Imperium ain't the nicest of places to live ;P

Their primarch is unknown(as they were created by 2nd legion).Now we have primarch.What about their home world?I have no ideas.

As has been said I don't think its a great idea to use either of the two 'missing' legions as a basis. The whole concept requires a very indepth and detailed explanation of where they have been for the last ten millennia.

Having said that however if you feel up to the challenge of creating that story then I'd be more than happy to hear it, good luck and look forward to seeing what you come up with.

Now Kravus master of Horus and me are making story of 2 missing chapter.I will take command of 2nd legion and he will take command of 11th lost legion.

Constantine wrote:I don't know which primarch should it be.I have few variants.They are Corax,Sanguinius,Dorn,What about Horus.Is it possible that Horus was their primarch?I am a great fan of Horus.


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Is it possible that my chapter was founded in times of Horus heresy?

If this chapters geneseed was part that of a traitor such as Horus wouldn't the administratum and high lords have ordered the chapter destroyed and declared traitorus excomunicatus? (not sure if i spelled that right)

Blood Ravens were created by last loyal marine of sons of Horus,but they dont know that.If your marines dont know their creator then they wont be destroyed.

Actually it's believed to be Thousand Sons geneseed that went into the Blood Ravens.

I also vaguely remember some other chapter using Chaos geneseed...

Ok im here to help sorry that I havent been active in a little while. I have an idea that might just be crazy enough to work! What if.... Allister (my chapter master) and Constantine were the primarchs of the 2nd and 11th legions and if they were brothers, now lets throw this into the mix. They do something terrible together to the emperor before the heresy, the emperor starts having visions of heresy in the future that's near. Instead of killing or hunting down the two primarchs he captures them and wipes their memory, leaving their power intact yet making them forget everything they know. He deletes all records of their previous selves and does the same to their legions. They slowly start having visions of their past and slowly begin to remember what happened. At the time of the heresy they vanish. Years later they suddenly reappear stronger and more intelligent than anyone else within the imperium. Their two legions now brotherhoods!

Coool

Let me tell you what we have for my legion:
Angels of Salvation were the 2nd, of the original twenty, Space Marine Legions.Their primarch is Constantine.Legion strenth is 100 000 marines.Angels of Salvation are split into brotherhoods, each brotherhood has its own painting scheme
Here is Angels of Salvation Tactical marine:

What if Constantine and Allister Khaine led 101 expedition together during great crusade thats why they have relations as brothers have.

Two brothers, one has the gift of prophecy, he see the great betrayer and convinces his brother to take action. After trying to convince the Emperor and failing they move against Horus anyway. The Emperor intervenes and stands with Horus against them. They take the remainder of their forces out past the fringes of known space. Where they encounter the galaxies of the Tyranids. This can be used to explain the arrival of the Tyranids into the known galaxies. They return to fight the great devourer but with their honour slighted refuse to bow to the Imperium.

Rough bones might help, might not. Either way its fluff safe and allows you both a lot of leeway to create new allies and wargear that have never been seen before.

Lennysmash wrote:Two brothers, one has the gift of prophecy, he see the great betrayer and convinces his brother to take action. After trying to convince the Emperor and failing they move against Horus anyway. The Emperor intervenes and stands with Horus against them. They take the remainder of their forces out past the fringes of known space. Where they encounter the galaxies of the Tyranids. This can be used to explain the arrival of the Tyranids into the known galaxies. They return to fight the great devourer but with their honour slighted refuse to bow to the Imperium.

Rough bones might help, might not. Either way its fluff safe and allows you both a lot of leeway to create new allies and wargear that have never been seen before.

YOU ARE GENIUS!!!


Here is new thread Me and Kravus created:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/316217.page continue thread here please.

Lennysmash wrote:Two brothers, one has the gift of prophecy, he see the great betrayer and convinces his brother to take action. After trying to convince the Emperor and failing they move against Horus anyway. The Emperor intervenes and stands with Horus against them. They take the remainder of their forces out past the fringes of known space. Where they encounter the galaxies of the Tyranids. This can be used to explain the arrival of the Tyranids into the known galaxies. They return to fight the great devourer but with their honour slighted refuse to bow to the Imperium.

Rough bones might help, might not. Either way its fluff safe and allows you both a lot of leeway to create new allies and wargear that have never been seen before.

What do you guys think of these idea???

I've copied it to the other thread for you there chap, hope it helps.